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post Jun 14 2011, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jun 13 2011, 02:20 PM)
Hmmm ... I have some advice to ask from all the sifus here.

When I took my car loan, I took a 9 year loan and it was at 4.1% interest rate. I know. It sucks, but I had my reasons.

Now I'm thinking of settling the loan within 5-6 years because I heard that banks give a lot of discounts these days. Do you guys think it would be worth it?

Or would I be better off putting that money into those Cash Builder thingies or properties?

Another reason I'm considering this is because I also want to make sure I reach the point where car resale value > remaining car loan as soon as possible.

Any advice would be much appreciated.
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Bro +Newbie+, if U can get the details such as the discounts % or amount, your amount still owed and how many years/months to go VS Cash Builder info, i think all these can be boiled down easily. Hell, U may even decide to go do REITs instead of Cash Builder (if it's investment you're after, not storage & insurance) tongue.gif
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post Jun 14 2011, 10:06 AM

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@Fat3Twister and wongmunkeong,

I see. Thanks for the advice. I need to compare the potential savings vs the potential earnings and see which is more.

Has anyone done it or heard of someone who's done it before? I only know of 1 case where a Kelisa 6 year loan, 4% interest, was paid off in 4.5 years and the owner got 1K+ in savings. E.g. Only pay 11K out of 12K balance. I'm wondering if the 1K savings is consistent and if this will increase proportionately with every year or if it is static, meaning I still save only 1K if I shorten the loan more than 1 year.
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post Jun 16 2011, 02:13 PM

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hi all,

wanna share my financial planning n possible ways to improve it

age 28, married with 1 kid

salary 2400 nett

monthly expenses = around 2k
savings around = 3-400

investment
forex = 15k but in process of bring out since no more secure in term of return, need few months to bring out

debts
education loan = 500/monthly paid with forex dividend but stopped a few months edi
total = 30k in 4-5 years (no % since it was scholarship)
outstanding loan = about 5k
my bro also owes me 5k..still pushing wink.gif
credit card = 2k - paying on off 200-300 monthly

my question:

1. planning to rent an apartment within 1 year..rental range 600-800..how to make it possible? i feel it is possible by squeezing a bit here and there..
if possible to stretch more than 800 to 1000 monthly ( maybe wife help a bit ) also thinking of buying apartment around rm150k..skim rumah pertama also there to help smile.gif

2. my education loan outstanding 5k, 500/monthly..if i borrow 10k personal loan (can get 3.3%), pay 5k..and invest 5k (plus my other debts if can back get fast) somewhere else than in the forex, can it helps to sustain the monthly payment? or even better to completely cover it biggrin.gif

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post Jun 16 2011, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(nite_eif @ Jun 16 2011, 06:13 AM)
hi all,

wanna share my financial planning n possible ways to improve it

age 28, married with 1 kid..started saving on-off 1 years ago..wife also work but i will consider my income only
to try support the basic family finance..current stats:

salary 2400 nett

monthly expenses
car loan = 853 - 8 years to go
house loan/rental = 0 - stay with inlaw, planning to rent or buy an apartment in 1 year
utilities hp bills = 300 - paying some
petrol car bike maintenance = 300 - ride a bike to work, car for other purpose
food = 400 - sometimes eat outside / at work
baby needs = 200 - diapers milk etc
savings around = 3-400 - for emergency

investment
forex = 15k but in process of bring out since no more secure in term of return, need few months to bring out

debts
education loan = 500/monthly paid with forex dividend but stopped a few months edi
total = 30k in 4-5 years (no % since it was scholarship)
outstanding loan = about 5k
my bro also owes me 5k..still pushing wink.gif
credit card = 2k - paying on off 200-300 monthly

my question:

1. planning to rent an apartment within 1 year..rental range 600-800..how to make it possible? i feel it is possible by squeezing a bit here and there..
if possible to stretch more than 800 to 1000 monthly ( maybe wife help a bit ) also thinking of buying apartment around rm150k..skim rumah pertama also there to help smile.gif

2. my education loan outstanding 5k, 500/monthly..if i borrow 10k personal loan (can get 3.3%), pay 5k..and invest 5k (plus my other debts if can back get fast) somewhere else than in the forex, can it helps to sustain the monthly payment? or even better to completely cover it biggrin.gif
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seriously in your situation how could you even dare to get marry sumore have kid?...
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post Jun 16 2011, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Jun 16 2011, 09:55 PM)
seriously in your situation how could you even dare to get marry sumore have kid?...
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yes why not? it s risky but do-able..i m low profile not being so ambitious in life..i guess need to switch job with better pay soon cry.gif

u can ignore my income and expenses..it s just rough figure, my question is on the investments and debts.. wink.gif

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post Jun 16 2011, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Jun 16 2011, 09:55 PM)
seriously in your situation how could you even dare to get marry sumore have kid?...
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Guess we should work out some alternative solutions to assist him in such tight financial situation ..
I've got a friend of mine having the same situation as well but he is lucky coz been staying and working in Ipoh all this while .. consumption is still bearable and consider low.
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post Jun 17 2011, 06:56 AM

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QUOTE(nite_eif @ Jun 16 2011, 10:12 PM)
yes why not? it s risky but do-able..i m low profile not being so ambitious in life..i guess need to switch job with better pay soon  cry.gif

u can ignore my income and expenses..it s just rough figure, my question is on the investments and debts..  wink.gif
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Bro, just a thought - the ENTIRE game is to have much more cash flow in VS cash flow out, thus, if U do ignore income & expenses & just focus on investments & debts...

Again, if i mis-read your intentions about income & expenses, my apologies yar, i havent had my cuppa coffee yet this morning tongue.gif
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post Jun 17 2011, 01:10 PM

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Dear all,

I just started to work this week and Im planning my salary. Kindly give me an advise on which to invest on.
Information:
salary : RM2500+
rental: rm 300
transportation: rm 120
Food: rm 400
clothes n cosmetic: RM 200-400

I don't have a car and dont want to get one in future. I plan to divide the rest of my income into 3 parts.
1st: Saving (Saving acc then fixed acc)
2nd: Investment
3rd: Saving for property 300k-500k

Investment wise most probably wont be in shares due to lack of time. And wont be in gov bond as what u earn might not be enough to fight the inflation. ANd I wont consider an investment-linked insurans as a 10 years plan will cause ur money eaten by the inflation. Mayb will consider currency fix deposit... What you guys think? I have no experience at all n I m only 21.
Is that possible for such an investment mix?
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post Jun 17 2011, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(goer&doer @ Jun 17 2011, 01:10 PM)
Dear all,

I just started to work this week and Im planning my salary. Kindly give me an advise on which to invest on.
Information:
salary : RM2500+
rental: rm 300
transportation: rm 120
Food: rm 400
clothes n cosmetic: RM 200-400

I don't have a car and dont want to get one in future. I plan to divide the rest of my income into 3 parts.
1st: Saving (Saving acc then fixed acc)
2nd: Investment
3rd: Saving for property 300k-500k

Investment wise most probably wont be in shares due to lack of time. And wont be in gov bond as what u earn might not be enough to fight the inflation. ANd I wont consider an investment-linked insurans as a 10 years plan will cause ur money eaten by the inflation. Mayb will consider currency fix deposit... What you guys think? I have no experience at all n I m only 21.
Is that possible for such an investment mix?
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goer&doer,

<<1st: Saving (Saving acc then fixed acc)>>

Until you build up your emergency fund to 3 to 6 months of expense, you do not do anything else. Use those 3 to 6 months to staudy what works for you.

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post Jun 18 2011, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 17 2011, 01:37 PM)
goer&doer,

<<1st: Saving (Saving acc then fixed acc)>>

Until you build up your emergency fund to 3 to 6 months of expense, you do not do anything else.  Use those 3 to 6 months to staudy what works for you.

Dreamer
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Thank you Mr. Dreamer.
Till then, will work hard no matter which route I choose. smile.gif The thread you posted to me seems that you are not supporting young working audlt to buy house..... wink.gif
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post Jun 18 2011, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(goer&doer @ Jun 18 2011, 09:48 AM)
Thank you Mr. Dreamer.
Till then, will work hard no matter which route I choose. smile.gif The thread you posted to me seems that you are not supporting young working audlt to buy house..... wink.gif
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goer&doer,

1) Can a person afford the house that they buy?? My standard rule is a person can still save 10% to 15% of their gross income after they buy.

2) The problem is until a person is married and have children, it is HARD to figure out WHERE to live.

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post Jun 18 2011, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(goer&doer @ Jun 18 2011, 09:48 AM)
Thank you Mr. Dreamer.
Till then, will work hard no matter which route I choose. smile.gif The thread you posted to me seems that you are not supporting young working audlt to buy house..... wink.gif
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Current price for properties + BLR is too high IMHO...so rather than tie yourself down on a property loan, why not use the money to invest in business or other investment tools out there which yields higher RoR than property?
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post Jun 18 2011, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 18 2011, 10:45 AM)
goer&doer,

1) Can a person afford the house that they buy?? My standard rule is a person can still save 10% to 15% of their gross income after they buy.

2) The problem is until a person is married and have children, it is HARD to figure out WHERE to live.

Dreamer
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I wish to buy a house early, partly becoz I don't want to stay with my future mother-in law in the same house. sweat.gif En, will bear in mind with the first rule.


Added on June 18, 2011, 11:18 am
QUOTE(stupidbump @ Jun 18 2011, 10:47 AM)
Current price for properties + BLR is too high IMHO...so rather than tie yourself down on a property loan, why not use the money to invest in business or other investment tools out there which yields higher RoR than property?
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I thought property yield the highest return compare to other investment tools. Would you mind clarify on that? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(goer&doer @ Jun 18 2011, 11:16 AM)
I wish to buy a house early, partly becoz I don't want to stay with my future mother-in law in the same house.  sweat.gif  En, will bear in mind with the first rule.


Added on June 18, 2011, 11:18 am

I thought property yield the highest return compare to other investment tools. Would you mind clarify on that? hmm.gif
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If u have to buy, find a place where demand > supply.
If not, most probably u will see the property price return on paper only..
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I manged to save up 32k in 1 1/2 year working and bought a car cash for 17k... but might lose that ability soon... damn sad.. Anyone gone tru tis situation?
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QUOTE(goer&doer @ Jun 18 2011, 11:16 AM)
I wish to buy a house early, partly becoz I don't want to stay with my future mother-in law in the same house.  sweat.gif  En, will bear in mind with the first rule.


Added on June 18, 2011, 11:18 am

I thought property yield the highest return compare to other investment tools. Would you mind clarify on that? hmm.gif
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goer&doer, I don't mean to intrude on the conversation, but I thought I'd like to contribute 2 cents to the topic at hand.

1) Like dreamer101 said, I think you should build some form of savings first before you consider properties. Use that time while you're building the savings to plan ahead.
2) You need to ask yourself why you want to buy a house. As your home? Or as an investment?
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jun 18 2011, 01:43 PM)
goer&doer, I don't mean to intrude on the conversation, but I thought I'd like to contribute 2 cents to the topic at hand.

1) Like dreamer101 said, I think you should build some form of savings first before you consider properties. Use that time while you're building the savings to plan ahead.
2) You need to ask yourself why you want to buy a house. As your home? Or as an investment?
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Nononono, your advice and sharing has my deepest gratitude and appreciation. Just that in my mindset is I thought property has the highest return! wink.gif
1st house for living, 2nd 3rd 4th for investment if can ..lol..but a good knowledge about the area is a must before buying anything..
Emergency fund! That will be my first financial goal then smile.gif


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QUOTE(stupidbump @ Jun 18 2011, 12:08 PM)
If u have to buy, find a place where demand > supply.
If not, most probably u will see the property price return on paper only..
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I havent build up my sense on that YET. Need to work it out smile.gif

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post Jun 18 2011, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(goer&doer @ Jun 18 2011, 11:16 AM)

I wish to buy a house early, partly becoz I don't want to stay with my future mother-in law in the same house.  sweat.gif  En, will bear in mind with the first rule.


Added on June 18, 2011, 11:18 am

I thought property yield the highest return compare to other investment tools. Would you mind clarify on that? hmm.gif
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goer&doer,

1) That is a BIG LIE. Most people LOSE MONEY on their property investment. But, it is not to their BEST INTEREST to tell you.

2) House that you live in is NOT an investment. 99+% of the time, you LOSE MONEY. But, you buy the house because of life style decision.

<< I wish to buy a house early, partly becoz I don't want to stay with my future mother-in law in the same house>>

3) You may not have a choice.

4) You may change your mind again after you have children...

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QUOTE(goer&doer @ Jun 18 2011, 11:16 AM)
I thought property yield the highest return compare to other investment tools. Would you mind clarify on that? hmm.gif
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If talk about rental yield, most residential net rental yield is kinda quite low across.

Only commercial properties can fetch good yield, but commercial properties is totally different ball game with residential properties.

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 18 2011, 02:15 PM)
goer&doer,

1) That is a BIG LIE.  Most people LOSE MONEY on their property investment.  But, it is not to their BEST INTEREST to tell you.

2) House that you live in is NOT an investment.  99+% of the time, you LOSE MONEY.  But, you buy the house because of life style decision.

<< I wish to buy a house early, partly becoz I don't want to stay with my future mother-in law in the same house>>

3) You may not have a choice.

4) You may change your mind again after you have children...

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Do you see the price of property will get lower in the next 5 years?
Till then, building emergency fund > save> other investment tool....


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 18 2011, 11:06 PM)
If talk about rental yield, most residential net rental yield is kinda quite low across.

Only commercial properties can fetch good yield, but commercial properties is totally different ball game with residential properties.
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Never thought of commercial property...
Different ball game? Mind to share more? Just want to know more smile.gif

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