CL 2006-2007 we are in final CL but we are the runners up...look at the team in this year, we have 5 player already in our 1st team right now...
English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2010, DONE DEAL: WELCOME NESV,JOHN HENRY
English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2010, DONE DEAL: WELCOME NESV,JOHN HENRY
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Oct 5 2010, 05:23 PM
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CL 2006-2007 we are in final CL but we are the runners up...look at the team in this year, we have 5 player already in our 1st team right now...
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Oct 5 2010, 05:33 PM
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yeah.. i too can't accept when people assuming GH leave a decent squad that can challenge/win CL.. we were dreadful in CL before that.. and as i remember back in 05 the team not very convincing on the group stage either. the spirit and morale were very high after the olympiakos game. after that, rafa tactics outclassed mighty juve and chelsea over 2 legs. could GH do that? maybe.. but my answer is no.. we never know..
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Oct 5 2010, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE(rushmode @ Oct 5 2010, 05:33 PM) yeah.. i too can't accept when people assuming GH leave a decent squad that can challenge/win CL.. we were dreadful in CL before that.. and as i remember back in 05 the team not very convincing on the group stage either. the spirit and morale were very high after the olympiakos game. after that, rafa tactics outclassed mighty juve and chelsea over 2 legs. could GH do that? maybe.. but my answer is no.. we never know.. i always felt Rafa was more of a mastermind when it came to european games but not for domestic matches. |
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Oct 5 2010, 05:43 PM
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Oct 5 2010, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Oct 5 2010, 03:28 PM) didnt bother to read newspaper and just realised we been linked with JuanMata swap with Babel , what we need now is a new owner QUOTE(rushmode @ Oct 5 2010, 03:59 PM) you forgot that we have a very good young CB - Danny Agger.. he can keep the pass the ball instead of huffing the ball forward too that is the reason why I think we should drop Carra for certain match.I believe Agger and Skrtel gain enough experience to play in premier league.Carra is a good player but sometimes we need something new from defense department especially when we are working on set piece.QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Oct 5 2010, 04:46 PM) What a terrible result on Sunday and what a terrible position to be in now. Ironically, what may impact on our results/position is not on the pitch. We wait with abated breath whether RBS will take over LFC tomorrow and get LFC a new owner before the end of October. Johnson just need a very good DM to cover for him , he can attack and he can cross but I think we are expecting too much from him.I watched game he played for England where Theo Walcott doing all atackking and he only stay back to defense.He did a decent job on that match.We just cannot afford to sell Skrtel now, we still depend on his pace and toughness to deal with some big striker in the league.I believe that will give the manager and players a lift. Blast me if you want, but I believe RB was fortunate to inherit a good team from Houllier whereas RH inherited a mess.. Yes Poulsen may take a longer time to adjust to the PL than RH thought but he's still better than Lucas and RB bought many more duds during his time. Skrtle and Johnson have to go. They have caused our defence to become so fragile this season. Added on October 5, 2010, 6:02 pm QUOTE "I am angry. I am new here and all I'm trying to do is work and do what's best for the team," Jovanovic said. "It's not important that I am on the bench. I have signed a contract for three years and I want to stay for three years. "I feel very good at Liverpool and better players than me sit on the bench whether it's here or anywhere else. "I have to learn and work to be better - it's not a problem. I expected a challenge. I expected sometimes to be in the team and sometimes not. "And also, I don't want to speak about myself - it's much more important to talk about the team." Jova voice out his opinion and I cant see why he want to out , he impressed me with the way he dealing with Sagna.I believe he can be our Kuyt on left flank This post has been edited by leaF: Oct 5 2010, 06:02 PM |
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Oct 5 2010, 06:16 PM
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if Kenny is appointed, i really do hope his footballing brain is still working well...
He was truly a complete footballer....intelligent, deadly, loyal..and he loves the club.... and not a bad manager too.... This post has been edited by nando: Oct 5 2010, 06:28 PM |
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Oct 5 2010, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Oct 5 2010, 05:46 PM) What a terrible result on Sunday and what a terrible position to be in now. Ironically, what may impact on our results/position is not on the pitch. We wait with abated breath whether RBS will take over LFC tomorrow and get LFC a new owner before the end of October. mess? it seems more then half of current 11 LFc is not banitez 11.I believe that will give the manager and players a lift. Blast me if you want, but I believe RB was fortunate to inherit a good team from Houllier whereas RH inherited a mess.. Yes Poulsen may take a longer time to adjust to the PL than RH thought but he's still better than Lucas and RB bought many more duds during his time. Skrtle and Johnson have to go. They have caused our defence to become so fragile this season. its remains a mystery why so many are still appallingly ignorant on this amonst others. there are many accounts online such as the independent papers but still gullible ones believe in papers (those anti rafa) This post has been edited by koolspyda: Oct 5 2010, 06:37 PM |
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Oct 5 2010, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE(nando @ Oct 5 2010, 06:16 PM) if Kenny is appointed, i really do hope his footballing brain is still working well... if u wikipedia King Kenny's managerial record.. it aint so bad.He was truly a complete footballer....intelligent, deadly, loyal..and he loves the club.... and not a bad manager too.... |
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Oct 5 2010, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 5 2010, 03:53 PM) A manager should bring the best out of the available player at his disposal. Yeah right. I'd like to see our GK catching the ball like one in KungFu Hustle. A tactic work previous with previous set of player, doesn't mean it works for now or current available players. For eg. You have Crouch, Heskey type of player, you can hoof the ball up and let them do the damage. But if you have Torres, Cole (who are not known for their aerial ability or strength), play this kind of tactic will make them looks poor only. Just like put Carra at central half, he can make a lot of last ditch tackle to protect Reina. Look magnificent Putting him at left back when the team was trailing and badly need a goal, and tell him to make overlap run and making cross, where can, oftern receive the ball at oppponent half at winger side, clueless already. Suddenly become a poor player with this. Even the ball itself has changed many many version. Modern day ball when travelling in the air, is way different the old day ball, modern ball is lighter and can bend easily. So new GK coach also need to follow modern technique to teach Gk to catch a ball. |
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Oct 5 2010, 07:53 PM
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Liverpool Boss Roy Hodgson to Quit: Anfield Manager Ready to Walk Out
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2010/10/03/li...dy-to-walk-out/ Not sure if it's true...Oh well |
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Oct 5 2010, 08:28 PM
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I dont think replacing the manager would do wonders right now. But, at least its a start. Start for the better or bitter worst.
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Oct 5 2010, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE(hfi @ Oct 5 2010, 12:22 AM) I agree. Players tend to be a totalyl different kind of animal altogether when it comes to dictating how a club should proceed in terms of football matters. I dont like it. Not one bit. Look at what happened to Newcastle during the Shearer days when he had a major influence on manager(s). It had a detrimental effect on the club. Obviously its something quite common in football these days. But that doesnt mean a club such as ours should let it happen. It pains me to say this but you only need to look at how the mancs handle themselves to realize how timid and conservetive we are as a club. When a certain no nonsense, highly adored captain of the manc team decided to mouth off his teammates, they didnt waste any time to boot him off the club. Here was a club doing what was best for the club and not wasting their time consorting a player whose time was already up. This is a forward thinking club whose always looking to making new changes, and making sure they are always ahead of the packs. I cannot say the same for us at the moment. We let 2 players - whose entering the twilight of their careers dictated how this club should progress. For what exactly ? So that we can reinstate the simple hoof type of football tailored to suit the limited abilities of certain players ? To ensure the more gifted talents like Lucas and Agger to be sidelined, so the less gifted ones get more play time ? I agree with you mostly, except for the Dalglish part. Getting him back doesn't automatically mean we would return as a force to be reckon with and we shouldn't forget that during his managerial era we were still under the European ban too. I'm not fortunate enough to witness the great Liverpool side in the late 80s, but Dalglish always come across as a natural leader, rather than the manager-type. Football may have changed in the past 2 decades but leadership qualities remain all the same. Similarly I always maintained that it is mentality and leadership that was lacking in the team and manager last season and Dalglish has both the credentials and credibility to restore confidence. This club is going backwards at alarming rate. We had a manager who understood what was lacking and how far behind we were compared to other clubs/ He tried to change things and make us modern again. Alas, to some people this was unacceptable. Its not the Liverpool Way. Some people are still clinging on to our glorious past, refusing to move on. Even now when the problem is staring down at them, they still cling onto the past. Calling for Daglish to replace Roy, hoping this will suddenly make us a force to be reckon with. Total fantasy. We reap what we sow. The irony of it all is that no one forced us into this mess. We let the yanks conned us. We let players dictated the pitch. We let the media influenced us. We let other managers telling us how to behave. We paid our manager to leave and join the reigning European Champion. We hired Roy Hodgson. We did this to ourselves. The irony (Not so ironic though these days) here is that Dalglish was appointed to name a suitable manager for Liverpool. When he offered himself with the reason that there is no suitable candidate at that given time, his offer fell onto deaf ears. So, why bother with his opinion in the first place? Sadly, this further proves Rafa's point that during his last years, there was no one he could talk to that knows about football. QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 5 2010, 11:49 AM) If you ask me, it was indeed time for Rafa to leave. He had fallen out with some of the players, and he was clearly never going to be happy unless he was given more funds for players. He constantly said that we need better quality players, indicating that the current crop weren't good enough, thus affecting morale. He lost his composure by responding to Fergie's mind games, when in previous seasons he would simply have deflected any criticism aimed at him. Whether he is the right manager for us and could have taken us further is moot, because the circumstances simply did not favour him. I'm not sure what you really meant here, but the circumstances at Anfield is never going to be favourable to any manager, as Roy found out harshly. Plus, Rafa was willing to put up with the situation and make amends to his mistakes. He has publicly stated that he has listed and wanted to address all the on-field problems. After all, the team was his and so as the problems. In any given case, finishing 7th after the season as runner-ups warrants drastic action but Liverpool's fragile state meant that a change of manager runs a high risk of catastrophe. I would've preferred the club taking the less risky route. Though, what happened has happened already. The question now is, could sacking Roy and bringing back Dalglish help the situation at all? I would really like to support our manager, unfortunately his lack of a clear-cut plan and his defeatist comments are not helping. What's worse is he has absolutely no idea what to do with our current crop of mixed players. Transitional period is always the most difficult for any manager, but the best ones will make do with what they have. Unfortunately, time is not our luxury and relegation is only a few more losses away. Personally, I would like to see King Kenny given the chance he should have gotten in the summer. QUOTE(madmoz @ Oct 5 2010, 05:03 PM) Oh, got an email from an old friend, a passionate manc. If the situation wasn't quite so dire, it would have been funny :- Well I would've laughed if it was Pompey last season or Newcastle 2 seasons ago, karma I guess. "Think on the bright side. It cannot get any worse as RH's in his usual table position. For once he probably has the necessary experience!" QUOTE(leaF @ Oct 5 2010, 05:59 PM) Jova voice out his opinion and I cant see why he want to out , he impressed me with the way he dealing with Sagna.I believe he can be our Kuyt on left flank He has stated on lfc.tv that he never gave any interview to outsiders, so take it with a pinch of salt. |
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Oct 5 2010, 08:47 PM
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in some forums which i've read, it somehow lightened me up (despite the cruelty of it) to read somebody's comments that said "bring back Daglish-Rush combination".
Wow. We have really started to... *mumbles* |
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Oct 5 2010, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Oct 5 2010, 04:46 PM) What a terrible result on Sunday and what a terrible position to be in now. Ironically, what may impact on our results/position is not on the pitch. We wait with abated breath whether RBS will take over LFC tomorrow and get LFC a new owner before the end of October. Yeah i agree. Rafa was very fortunate to inherit a team whose backbone is made of aging, crocked and has-been players. So fortunate that he had to travel across the globe to gain assurance from the likes of Gerrard and Owen that they will remain in the club. So lucky that he was able to squeeze 8m + Nunez from Real when Owen decided he had enough. So lucky that his entire strikeforce was reduced to the headless chicken Baros, unproven Cisse (who shortly after broke his leg and missed out large part of the season), and of course the young gifted Mellor. So strong was our back 4 that he had to reshuffled the CB and converted Carra into the menace CB that his predecessor somehow failed to envision. The defensive depth was so adequate that he could pick from the likes of Traore and Henchoz (who were so on fire that he had to fight his place against Igor in the previous season). The midfield was also blessed with gifted and promising young talents in the like of Murphy (who left shortly after), the demotivated Gerrard, the free scoring Smicer etc. Yes this was indeed a formidable team. So formidable that Rafa didnt need to do a damn thing to improve it. Because a team like this can win anything by itself without a manager to guide them. What was he thinking of purchasing players like Xabi and Garcia for. Its not like any of the two players contributed anything during the CL campaign that season. I believe that will give the manager and players a lift. Blast me if you want, but I believe RB was fortunate to inherit a good team from Houllier whereas RH inherited a mess.. Yes Poulsen may take a longer time to adjust to the PL than RH thought but he's still better than Lucas and RB bought many more duds during his time. Skrtle and Johnson have to go. They have caused our defence to become so fragile this season. On a serious note, it irks me when people get so bitter of someone that they feel the need to degrade their values. Both managers do not have it easy. You can only make do with what you have. Both managers arrived to oversee underachieved players whose morale's were low. Rafa had players leaving him the moment he arrived just like Roy had when he arrived. But Rafa inherited an aging team that had no talents in reserve. Roy inherited a team that is far more current, robust and considerably younger. Despite how thread bare our depth is at the moment, Roy still has the luxury to call our reserve a Team B whose made up from the likes of Agger, Lucas, Babel, and Ngog. Be honest with yourself, can you really say Rafa had the same fortune ? |
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yesss... bring back Daglish-Rush combination!!!
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Oct 5 2010, 10:27 PM
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Still early days yet to trust any news on the new ownerships other than rumours, but this may whet a few appetites.
-- EXCLUSIVE: Trio line up to buy Liverpool Football Club Liverpool Football Club will be sold to one of 3 interested parties before the end of the year providing the board can oust Tom Hicks and George Gillett. KOPTALK understands that from all of those who have expressed an interest in buying the club, that chairman Martin Broughton has narrowed it down to 3 potential parties. What is of great interest to ourselves is that one of those who have remained in the background patiently watching the current owners try to refinance, is based in the UAE which is made up of 7 states i.e. Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Sharjah, Ajman, Umm al-Quwain, Ras al-Khaimah and Fujaira. Another party is believed to be based in the United States and according to KOPTALK sources, this is why the board flew to the States recently, to try and keep them in the mix after they expressed a concern about the ongoing fan protests. The Anfield hierarchy will be extremely busy over the next 48 hours as things heat up behind the scenes. Source |
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Oct 5 2010, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE(miketee @ Oct 5 2010, 10:27 PM) Still early days yet to trust any news on the new ownerships other than rumours, but this may whet a few appetites. -- EXCLUSIVE: Trio line up to buy Liverpool Football Club Liverpool Football Club will be sold to one of 3 interested parties before the end of the year providing the board can oust Tom Hicks and George Gillett. KOPTALK understands that from all of those who have expressed an interest in buying the club, that chairman Martin Broughton has narrowed it down to 3 potential parties. What is of great interest to ourselves is that one of those who have remained in the background patiently watching the current owners try to refinance, is based in the UAE which is made up of 7 states i.e. Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Sharjah, Ajman, Umm al-Quwain, Ras al-Khaimah and Fujaira. Another party is believed to be based in the United States and according to KOPTALK sources, this is why the board flew to the States recently, to try and keep them in the mix after they expressed a concern about the ongoing fan protests. The Anfield hierarchy will be extremely busy over the next 48 hours as things heat up behind the scenes. Source and a US based buyer? owh hell please for the love of Shankly no. |
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Oct 5 2010, 11:41 PM
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ROY: I'M STAYING.
That is the Star headline today. Asking fans to lower down expectations coz things go tough. Bring in a mid table manager, u get mediocrity. RH fanboys should stop saying give him time and etc. No liverpool manager is that lousy to lose to div 2 strugglers and Blackpool..at freakin Anfield. If these 2 losses are not good enough for you to gage RH's capability as a Liverpool manager, then these fanboys really need to get some help. |
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Oct 5 2010, 11:54 PM
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Oct 5 2010, 11:41 PM) ROY: I'M STAYING. I'll curse roy everyday until he leaves Anfield... That is the Star headline today. Asking fans to lower down expectations coz things go tough. Bring in a mid table manager, u get mediocrity. RH fanboys should stop saying give him time and etc. No liverpool manager is that lousy to lose to div 2 strugglers and Blackpool..at freakin Anfield. If these 2 losses are not good enough for you to gage RH's capability as a Liverpool manager, then these fanboys really need to get some help. |
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