An honest question to The Kop Talks;

Let say Liverpool gets a new owner after RBS takes over the club, which is the highest possibility right now. Let say it's not the Sultan of Brunei or some filthy rich sheikh or anything like that. Just a normal buyer, like Gillet & Hicks, like the Glazers, which is very much a possibility. Now, that scenario doesn't pull Liverpool out of the dire situation altogether, as a matter of fact, the ownership debt could still be there. It's back to square one, but with some more money and some more time. Some say that's the likely scenario.

The question is, as a Liverpool supporter, what would you like to see next under the new ownership?

1. Reinforce the team with proven talents and start challenging for top honours/CL spot/Euro spot. This may require big spending. Failure may only hasten the vicious cycle.

2. Go easy on 1st team reinforcements, concentrate on developing talents instead. Easier on the economy, but may have to endure seasons without silverwares or even mid-table finishes.

3. Go for the stadium. Could be suicidal.

4. Sack the current coach. Get a more capable one right away. Could be the popular choice.

5. Other wishes/strategies?

What's your choice(s)?

(This is an honest, serious question and in no way do I mean to offend you guys regarding the current scenario with your beloved club. The deadline is looming on the horizon. As a rival supporter, I've been thinking about these questions and I'm sure you have been thinking the same.)

the simple answer is to get things right.. i know it sounds general but yeah...
but i think the most important thing is to get rid of the owners first... its not THAT easy to get rid of the coach... we'll incur some loses by way of compensation...

Stadium is a DEFINITE no go as of now (or anytime soon)...

i dont think buying world class players will help... coz the squad is now filled with world class players... but they're not gelling.. AT ALL...

Is it a mere coincidence that our manager now is exactly the type that prefers the kind of football that Carra seems to be a master of ? You know hoofing every chance you get. Theres a lot of rot going on in the club at the moment. People say the board has nothing to do with whats going on the pitch, but i think it has. We are decaying on and off the pitch. Everyone is just thiniking for themselves now instead of whats best for the club - including some of the players.

This post has been edited by hfi: Oct 4 2010, 11:27 PM

my oni hope now is for the team to get off the relegation zone,other things 2nd

Agreed with you

By the way, yes i think the squad is now with world class player such as Fernando Torres, Stevie G, Raul Meireles, Dirk Kuyt,Daniel Agger ,Maxi Rodriguez played well in World Cup for thier national team.

2 & 3 is needed and move side by side.

3 is not a suicidal move. It is very crucial for the club long term future.

Yes, within the first few years, there will be a lot of stress on the financial part, and could lead to inability to spend much in transfer market, and inability to challenge the top or even miss out the 4th or Europe place, or just a midtable finsih, but it is a must.
Without a bigger stadium, means inability to compete financially. No point spend big in transfer market and getting some good result, and qualify for CL, but still making loss year after year, which eventually the losses may mean inability to compete in transfer market.

Just like what Arsenal did before, they need to restraint themselves in transfer market due to big commitment to the new stadium. But look at where are they now in term of financially, they now making ten of million GBP profit each year, and ability to spend big with own money/profit in a sustainable way. This is only the healthy way to grow a club.

4. The current situation is not the result disappointed the fans/supporters. It is the approach to the game, and mindset which make fans feel very very disappointed. If you don't expect to win the game, you won't win the game.
No manager will tell players, supporters that the team is not good enough, don't set the expectation too high on us.

If you read the interview with Rafa, he mentions that he knew there were some players who were not happy and it's definitely not a coincidence that Gerrard and Carra were the only players who failed to back the manager in public last season. Rafa also mentioned that he was surprised that somebody leaked information on the so-called dressing room unrest. Back then, the general consensus was that Purslow was the culprit then again it could had something to do with Gerrard or Carra. Personally I don't blame the players for having a grudge against their managers as let's face it, most footballers do come across as clueless (Just look how Jamie Redknapp bashes Liverpool week in and out). But when they start to think that they're in any way above the club, they've crossed the line. I love Gerrard and Carra, but if those 2 can't get their stuff sorted out, they're simply the cause of the problem, not the victims.

In a I pity Roy for being at the wrong place at the wrong time, but managers come and go. The players should realize that as of the moment, the on-field fate of Liverpool lies in their hands, not the manager, not the owners and certainly not the admins. If Gerrard and Carra, of all people can't even understand this, we are probably be better off without them.

Somebody said "RH inherited Rafa's mess". So Rafa is shyte. I read the response: "After taking Souness's mess, Rafa brought us the Champions League."

Food for thought.

The main thing with the ownership issue, and that which the previous owner (Moores) and the board (and every other football club, for sure) will have learned is that the new ownership must NOT in any way, put the club into debt. The new ownership will hopefully erase our debts, or at least reduce it to manageable proportions so that some money can still be invested into what is surely the most important asset in football clubs - players.

As of now, we've sold 2 of the best midfielders in the world, Xabi and Masch, but all the money seems to have gone into servicing the debt. What little is left of the transfer budget, allows us to get 2nd rate players. What's the point of having owners then, when the club could do so much better on its own?

What LFC fans ask for - is not necessarily an Abramovich or a Sheikh investor - but owners who actually know what to do with the club, and to bring it forward.

And a direct answer to your question: 1 and 3.

Liverpool is a European club, no questions about it, and the first step forward is to make Champions League. The stadium is also given - and long overdue - we are the last of the major clubs to have a stadium that's big enough to generate enough revenue to be competitive in the market.

You meant Houllier of course and Evans before him?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Oct 5 2010, 12:00 AM

Perhaps Roy is immune to criticism because he's English? At this point, medias were bashing Rafa for his zonal defences.

And btw, Alan Hansen is really getting on my nerve, he's Danish ain't he?

This post has been edited by lilredridinghood: Oct 4 2010, 11:59 PM

Mike, Xabi's fee was used to finance Aquilani and not the debt?

I am beyond speechless. This is the ultimate letdown I've ever experienced. So bad that I want next season to start tomorrow. Clueless players on the pitch, even clueless owners at the helm of the club. I don't know if this can get any worse. From laughing stock of Europe to the laughing stock of the World, from Rafalution to Roy-legation. What a mess.

are you referring to me? im abit lost. haha...

Miketee ler bro

on the matters of new managers if roy is sacked, i'll only go for kenny or phil.

ah my bad. my bad! >_<

getting a wee bit too emotional at the moment.]

to stand behind our manager (because its our way), yet at the same time i can't shake off my disgust that we've lost the best manager we actually could retain for this season....

argh!

Ohhhh yeahhhh Aquaman how could I forget?!!! Thanks for the reminder.

Anyhow the point I was trying to make is that for all the transfer wheeling and dealing that LFC has been involved in since our 2nd place finish, we seem to have less and less money to spend every year despite being a selling club. The squad today seems significantly weaker, and none more so that seeing Lucas-Poulsen in midfield replacing Xabi-Masch.

Mike, I'd much rather have Gravesen and Carsley in midfield than Lucas and Poulsen. We'd have some spare change as well

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Oct 5 2010, 12:20 AM

I agree. Players tend to be a totalyl different kind of animal altogether when it comes to dictating how a club should proceed in terms of football matters. I dont like it. Not one bit. Look at what happened to Newcastle during the Shearer days when he had a major influence on manager(s). It had a detrimental effect on the club. Obviously its something quite common in football these days. But that doesnt mean a club such as ours should let it happen. It pains me to say this but you only need to look at how the mancs handle themselves to realize how timid and conservetive we are as a club. When a certain no nonsense, highly adored captain of the manc team decided to mouth off his teammates, they didnt waste any time to boot him off the club. Here was a club doing what was best for the club and not wasting their time consorting a player whose time was already up. This is a forward thinking club whose always looking to making new changes, and making sure they are always ahead of the packs. I cannot say the same for us at the moment. We let 2 players - whose entering the twilight of their careers dictated how this club should progress. For what exactly ? So that we can reinstate the simple hoof type of football tailored to suit the limited abilities of certain players ? To ensure the more gifted talents like Lucas and Agger to be sidelined, so the less gifted ones get more play time ?

This club is going backwards at alarming rate. We had a manager who understood what was lacking and how far behind we were compared to other clubs/ He tried to change things and make us modern again. Alas, to some people this was unacceptable. Its not the Liverpool Way. Some people are still clinging on to our glorious past, refusing to move on. Even now when the problem is staring down at them, they still cling onto the past. Calling for Daglish to replace Roy, hoping this will suddenly make us a force to be reckon with. Total fantasy. We reap what we sow. The irony of it all is that no one forced us into this mess. We let the yanks conned us. We let players dictated the pitch. We let the media influenced us. We let other managers telling us how to behave. We paid our manager to leave and join the reigning European Champion. We hired Roy Hodgson. We did this to ourselves.