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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2010, DONE DEAL: WELCOME NESV,JOHN HENRY

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post Oct 4 2010, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Oct 4 2010, 01:42 PM)
if i know daglish that the least he will think off. I highly doubt even mourino now (he actually came out & said NO he won't even consider Liverpool at the current crisis) with the board being a mess.

RH ma not be the worse manager out there but he clearly hasnt got the credencials to manage a club like liverpool.

we are now even scouting only 30+, end of contract players from other teams.

Just how low are we to stoop.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 4 2010, 02:30 PM)
Promote Sammy Lee? As much as I love him, no thanks. Heck of a job he did at Bolton.
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QUOTE(rushmode @ Oct 4 2010, 03:10 PM)
HELLL NOOO!! i rather have mark hughes or steve fathead bruce before him..

sammy lee as manager? he's a red but he's not exactly a step up from RH..
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I will support him as our caretaker if RH get fired.RH is losing his player respect and no longer have supporters trust and believe and somethings must be done to gain back player respect and confidence so by appointing Sammy or King Kenny may help in getting back supporters believe and player confidence


Added on October 4, 2010, 4:32 pm
QUOTE(ADVedder @ Oct 4 2010, 10:09 AM)
"WE JUST LOST TO BLACKPOOL AT HOME FOR GODDAMN SAKE!"

love these phrase!

we cant affort losing any more game, btw, i seriously dont think this season Johnson is the same Johnson last couple of season..

wheres Babel? wheres the fighting spirit of the mighty LFC?
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Maicon have Cambiasso that cover for him and Daniel Alves got Busquet cover for him ,even Evra have their own Fletcher that run the whole field, I will blame our Defensive Midfield that fail do so. As we all aware that is Johnson style of playing , he need provide both defensive and attacking option on the field and we cant change his style , that is the style that make him so good when he played for Porstmouth.I know he did made some mistake last night but I can see him join the attack and back to defend yesterday.It is too much to ask from an attacking right wing back.

QUOTE(demio121 @ Oct 4 2010, 10:24 AM)
dunno abt Jovanovic at all.  2 months into the season and he is screaming to leave...!!!  i think he just basically end his career.

Babel is another that i don't really understand.  Btw him and Ngog, i prefer Babel more but he is not getting his chance at all.  I think the writting is on the wall (waiting for the ink to dry).
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In term of experience Babel > Ngog but in term of finish and 1st touch I will take Ngog

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 4 2010, 10:52 AM)
Now I am no Premiership manager but I have been watching football long enough to form my own opinions. One may argue that as fans, we don't see the whole picture and it's a fair comment but I think that some things are just that obvious. We were getting raped on the flanks last night and Hodgson did nothing to address this the entire game. If this were last season, we'd see Mascherano scampering across either flank, providing cover for our fullbacks but Poulsen really hit the nail on the head when he said he was still a little off the pace because he literally was. He provided little cover and was reduced to nothing more than an extra body. By the time Poulsen was taken off and Mereiles had dropped further back the game was already practically over.

I don't actually have much complaint starting Carragher on the left. Sure he never really had pace but he played in that position when Houllier was in charge and I can't imagine who else would have filled in. Heaven forbid that Hodgson would have opted for Skrtel or Poulsen to play in that position. I am pleasantly surprised that Blackpool looked enterprising and played the ball to feet for much of the game, instead of adopting long ball tactics and this exposed that fact that not only are our defenders weak in the air (bar Kyrgiakos), but we can't defend against players running at us either. Again, I can't imagine Agger not starting when he's fit again and he is the quickest of our centrebacks and has better ball control and passing range. I think an Agger and Kyrgiakos complement each other well actually. We are still however, crying out for a decent defensive midfielder and I wonder how little Jay Spearing would do. He has the same boundless energy and enthusiasm Mascherano has.
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We need Skrtel pace and Krygiakos heading skill for next match , as much as I love Carra , I think he is slowly losing his place.Dont get me wrong , I just think that we need more protection when dealing with set piece and more option when we are having our set piece.How long we never score from indirect free kick or corner?


Added on October 4, 2010, 4:39 pm
QUOTE(chitchat @ Oct 4 2010, 01:15 PM)
You are talking about a manager that have been at VILLA for so long. To be force to sell ur best player every season and unable to reinforce, naturally the manager will feel his career have been in stand still point where he no longer have the board backing to achieve higher challenge. I am sure even with RAFA, if board force him to sell MACHERANO, TORRES, GERRARD and does not allow the fund to be use to reinforce he will leave.

Basically LIVERPOOL next manager have to be a great motivator other than all attribute, which i am not really sure O'NEILL is up to it. Maybe KENNY DAGLISH will do better since is a club legend that love the club. Really need someone to inspire the fighting spirit back to the player and play some good football. Basically the ownership problem is out of the player hand and the only thing they can help the club is perform on the pitch. To me, MANU has similiar problem on club ownership with their swelling debt but somehow SAF are able to keep their team focus on the football. So a manager that every player respect and motivate them will be a better option.
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We need manager with his own big ego.All big manager gain it from their own previous success.Rafa is not a very good motivator but he got his own ego that he knows what he is doing , Mourinho is an example for world class manager + good motivator.

I like manager that build the team from defense and base on last season defending record , I think RH should improve that department.It is pointless if we can score 4 but conceded 5 and it is a point if we can draw 0-0.That is not our style of playing but that is what we should do now

This post has been edited by leaF: Oct 4 2010, 04:39 PM
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post Oct 4 2010, 05:21 PM

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Those who worry about the points deduction read below:

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LIVERPOOL FC are likely to avoid a Premier League points deductions even if the Royal Bank of Scotland takes over the club.

The Reds face the very real possibility the bank could grab control by the middle of this month if American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett fail to pay the £237m debt.

Some football legal experts have predicted that Kop Holdings, which owns LFC, would automatically be placed into administration.

But the ECHO understands the Premier League would not view that move as Liverpool being declared insolvent.

Regular discussions have been taking place between Liverpool chairman Martin Broughton and league chief executive Richard Scudamore.

The Reds have been seeking clarification on the potential scenario if RBS took temporary charge at Anfield.

Sources have indicated a nine point deduction, threatened to football clubs when they go bust like Portsmouth last season, would not materialise.

League chiefs crucially consider the debt to rest squarely on the shoulders of Tom Hicks and George Gillett, co-chairmen of the club and owners of Kop Football Holdings.

And as Liverpool has proved they have steady revenues - TV rights money, ticket sales, sponsorship - the club would avoid incurring any penalty.

The Reds reported a £200m turnover for the first time during the last 12 months, a significant rise compared to previous financial years and Anfield bosses insist the club remains highly profitable.




Read More :http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-f.../#ixzz113ExS9mj

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post Oct 4 2010, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(nando @ Oct 4 2010, 05:16 PM)
i have a crazy idea that Louis Van Gaal will be sacked by Munich in few weeks time...
and we will then have him..hahahaha

but can our handbags boys tolerate Van Gaal, whom i believe is quite a tough and enigmatic character? no.........

then bring Erickson in la....England's millionaires players' favourite manager
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likewise

with our purse so stolen by the cowboys, i believe even if RH is sacked. they might just only allow appointment from within hmm.gif no van gaal, no fancy big name managers that cant loud mouth the owners. They americans wouldnt want to go that route.

so much uncertainty. as fans worldwide we are so affected (by this crisis), to think that the players won't be?? they are there, they live, breathe liverpool. shakehead.gif
professionals or not, their morale is bound to be hit.

i can comprehend why some thinks just because they are paid handsomely, they dont have a heart on things around them.
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QUOTE(triple02 @ Oct 4 2010, 05:21 PM)
Those who worry about the points deduction read below:
Read More :http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-f.../#ixzz113ExS9mj
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who says i'm worried about the points deduction?
in fact im looking forward to seeing -3 points after 7 games.

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QUOTE(triple02 @ Oct 4 2010, 05:21 PM)
Those who worry about the points deduction read below:
Read More :http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-f.../#ixzz113ExS9mj
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Reading from the report you've provided, last night lost maybe a blessing in disguise and hasten the departure of the Yanks!

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A New Low For Liverpool As Roy Admits Relegation Fight

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we have been outplayed in every single game and are now in the relegation zone - a lfc fan expressing his outrage




happy now, the "brigade" thinks that they know better.

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We need to ... get behind the team.
We, just have to.
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i like the way england's media blaming rafa's players causing the bad start of this season. poor old roy having to inherited rafa's sucky squad and end up in relegation zone. if only he inherited a better team..

what a bunch of biased bullcraps!


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QUOTE(rushmode @ Oct 4 2010, 07:38 PM)
i like the way england's media blaming rafa's players causing the bad start of this season. poor old roy having to inherited rafa's sucky squad and end up in relegation zone. if only he inherited a better team..

what a bunch of biased bullcraps!
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the english media 'won' when they got rafa sacked.

the english media 'won' when LFc installed an english manager. (at least someone the media can understand during post match conference)

the english media will blame (now the flavor is that spanish dude) everyone but themselves.

denial, denial, danial
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its simple...
when we lose alonso we losing our attacking threat...
when we losing macherano we losing our defending threat...
now we suck at both end of the pitch cry.gif
when we losing benitez without replace much better replacement we losing even at home against blackpool!

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post Oct 4 2010, 07:44 PM

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Skrtel has pace? Dude, he turns like a truck
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Oct 4 2010, 07:41 PM)
its simple...
when we lose alonso we losing our attacking threat...
we we losing macherano we losing our defending threat...
now we suck at both end of the pitch  cry.gif
when we losing benitez without replace much better replacement we losing even at home against blackpool!
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Alonso had been crap in most of the seasons with Liverpool. He was injury prone.
He was surprisingly rock-solid in the last 1.2 season.

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i was slamming my hand on the floor and keep cursing on joe cole, jonavic and kuyt.. whenever we start playing speedy passing and counter attack.. kuyt, cole and jonavic just dunno wat to do after the ball when the ball got passed. They just stood there turn around and around looking for players to pass to, we need atleast some understanding between players with 1-2 touch passing. Then we have Johnson with his habit of holding the ball too long.. whenever he got the ball he will just try to dribble, where other teammate raising up his hand asking him to pass the ball when they have empty space. Central midfield Gerard and Mereiles is about right, They both have better touch than Poulsen and Lucas. Maxi should start he can provide good touches and very good at running to empty spaces or provide help to play 1-2 football. Left side SIGH no more Jonavic please, he plays the ball under him.. he doesnt know where the balls gonna roll to!! i rather give Pacheco a try on the left side.. he played around that area on pre-season matches.

Atleast give the youngster to try out, they did pretty well in Europa League 4-1 again Steaua. Give Roy a chance it is still early.. at least Roy gave some of our so-called talented young players a run out.

I really hope we can get a better attack midfield other than Gerard and Joe Cole.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 4 2010, 07:44 PM)
Skrtel has pace? Dude, he turns like a truck
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Agger have better ball control and IMO skrtel is more tough than Agger.
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QUOTE(leaF @ Oct 4 2010, 08:35 PM)
Agger have better ball control and IMO skrtel is more tough than Agger.
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That is debatable because if memory serves me, Agger does a pretty good job at marking Drogba who is one of the strongest forwards you'll come up against. Agger has a better footballing brain. He is also quicker and has the composure to play with the ball at his feet. He doesn't boot balls aimlessly up the park. Also, please consider that we do not have a natural left footed player to take free kicks in dangerous areas. We got a couple of them against Blackpool and each time, Gerrard was the only player on the ball. No prizes for guessing that Stevie was going to play a cross and not take a shot on goal.
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i can never understand why not play them both? i feel that the Skrtel/Agger combo is never given a fair run...
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 4 2010, 09:04 PM)
That is debatable because if memory serves me, Agger does a pretty good job at marking Drogba who is one of the strongest forwards you'll come up against. Agger has a better footballing brain. He is also quicker and has the composure to play with the ball at his feet. He doesn't boot balls aimlessly up the park. Also, please consider that we do not have a natural left footed player to take free kicks in dangerous areas. We got a couple of them against Blackpool and each time, Gerrard was the only player on the ball. No prizes for guessing that Stevie was going to play a cross and not take a shot on goal.
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Agger started lost his place after his injury and after that we bring in Skrtel on January transfer.I am not sure why he lost his place in starting line up as I prefer Agger and Skrtel combination on our defense.I watched some of Meireles video and he can use his left foot quite well , Aurelio , Konchesky , Agger have good left foot to take free kick
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an interesting snippet from Tomkin's latest writeup

`Liverpool pressed high and hard – and fast from the start – and it suited Torres, Kuyt and Gerrard. It made it easier to create chances, because errors were forced. It gave the game some energy.

It now suits Samuel Eto’o at Inter: “With Mourinho we played on the counter-attack, with Benítez we press more and that’s better for us forwards because we win back the ball higher up the pitch and create more chances.”

Eto’o has 11 goals already this season, after just 16 last time. Torres has … one.

Last season I noted that Rafa was the only manager to get more than an average amount of goals from Torres. At the time, I wasn’t sure if it was just coincidence, or maybe due to the very detailed and specific advice Rafa gave him (which Torres said was incredible). Now, I’m starting to think it was mostly tactical.

Torres’ goal record in Spain was not the best; consistent, yes, but never above 13 from open play in a season (in one year he scored six additional goals from the spot). For Spain, it’s a decent international record, but not outstanding. (Spain also press, but they often delay the final pass; Torres needs the ball earlier.)

For Torres under Hodgson, it’s … one goal in nine games.

Now, he hasn’t been 100% fit. And it’s early days. But he wasn’t fully fit for large parts of the previous two seasons. And he still got 14 in 24, and 18 in 22, in those two Premier League campaigns. Often he was coming back from injury, but rarely did he look this out of sorts. Rarely was he so starved of service, so isolated; an island within Anfield.

Perhaps the new style of play doesn’t suit him? He’ll always be a great striker – pace, power, eye for all types of goal – but the tactics were always tailored to his strengths. Now it seems tailored to the strengths of Bobby Zamora.'
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QUOTE(nando @ Oct 4 2010, 10:10 PM)
an interesting snippet from Tomkin's latest writeup

`Liverpool pressed high and hard – and fast from the start – and it suited Torres, Kuyt and Gerrard. It made it easier to create chances, because errors were forced. It gave the game some energy.

It now suits Samuel Eto’o at Inter: “With Mourinho we played on the counter-attack, with Benítez we press more and that’s better for us forwards because we win back the ball higher up the pitch and create more chances.”

Eto’o has 11 goals already this season, after just 16 last time. Torres has … one.

Last season I noted that Rafa was the only manager to get more than an average amount of goals from Torres. At the time, I wasn’t sure if it was just coincidence, or maybe due to the very detailed and specific advice Rafa gave him (which Torres said was incredible). Now, I’m starting to think it was mostly tactical.

Torres’ goal record in Spain was not the best; consistent, yes, but never above 13 from open play in a season (in one year he scored six additional goals from the spot). For Spain, it’s a decent international record, but not outstanding. (Spain also press, but they often delay the final pass; Torres needs the ball earlier.)

For Torres under Hodgson, it’s … one goal in nine games.

Now, he hasn’t been 100% fit. And it’s early days. But he wasn’t fully fit for large parts of the previous two seasons. And he still got 14 in 24, and 18 in 22, in those two Premier League campaigns. Often he was coming back from injury, but rarely did he look this out of sorts. Rarely was he so starved of service, so isolated; an island within Anfield.

Perhaps the new style of play doesn’t suit him? He’ll always be a great striker – pace, power, eye for all types of goal – but the tactics were always tailored to his strengths. Now it seems tailored to the strengths of Bobby Zamora.'
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 4 2010, 09:04 PM)
That is debatable because if memory serves me, Agger does a pretty good job at marking Drogba who is one of the strongest forwards you'll come up against. Agger has a better footballing brain. He is also quicker and has the composure to play with the ball at his feet. He doesn't boot balls aimlessly up the park. Also, please consider that we do not have a natural left footed player to take free kicks in dangerous areas. We got a couple of them against Blackpool and each time, Gerrard was the only player on the ball. No prizes for guessing that Stevie was going to play a cross and not take a shot on goal.
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Agreed on the footballing brain part. He is a more of a Hyypia type of tackler rather than a Carra where he would wait for the right moment to snatch the ball instead of diving for a 50-50. I think he is a very underrated defender and as you've said, on his day he could keep Drogba in his pocket. His ability to go forward is a huge bonus to any team, it's surprising that Roy has yet to play him in the center this season (Those less important games aside).

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