SC1 pros coming to SC2 (recently JD), KESPA is screwed
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 Sep 17 2010, 10:42 AM, updated 16y ago
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earlier, we had news of julyzerg leaving sc1 for sc2 and now we have.........
NADA coming to sc2 by leaving wemadefox http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=153567 ----------------------- update: JD is coming to sc2 soon http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=157873 This post has been edited by evofantasy: Oct 5 2010, 10:54 PM |
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Sep 17 2010, 11:41 AM
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unsurprising, SC2 is so much more better than SC1 and the only thing delaying these players is their Contract with Kespa.
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Sep 17 2010, 12:00 PM
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ooommmmmmfffgggg ~~~
SC2 is gonna be bigggeerrrr nw....RAWRR !! |
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Sep 17 2010, 01:48 PM
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JULYZERG~~~ AHHHHHHHHHHHH I use zerg coz of that dude~ wooooo i wanna watch him play
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Sep 17 2010, 02:18 PM
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As nice at it seems, these players are really old and cannot afford to compete with the younger SC1 players, that is the reason they decided to switch to SC2.
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Sep 17 2010, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 02:18 PM) As nice at it seems, these players are really old and cannot afford to compete with the younger SC1 players, that is the reason they decided to switch to SC2. if thats a valid reason, what makes you think they can survive against the younger generations of sc2? (notice that majority of SC2 players at GSL are REALLY young. one as young as 13 year old.) |
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Sep 17 2010, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 02:26 PM) if thats a valid reason, what makes you think they can survive against the younger generations of sc2? (notice that majority of SC2 players at GSL are REALLY young. one as young as 13 year old.) Because the younger players were never real progamers or either B-teamers that never made it big. Even at his twilight years, nada can still head to head with an average starcraft 1 pro with a decent chance of winning, but against the slightly above average players, he never really stood a chance. He'll still beat an average B-teamer without much effort though. |
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Sep 17 2010, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 02:31 PM) Because the younger players were never real progamers or either B-teamers that never made it big. Even at his twilight years, nada can still head to head with an average starcraft 1 pro with a decent chance of winning, but against the slightly above average players, he never really stood a chance. He'll still beat an average B-teamer without much effort though. a huge majority of the GSL players are progamers with valid contracts/sponsors.my main point is still this: sc2 is the new game and is better than sc1 in so many aspects. one can argue that sc2 is easier to play with better AI and automations (like how workers are completely retarded in mining, or unit pathing/targeting) etc, however that in my (and many others and even the majority of progamers) opinion does not make the game any easier because instead of managing "trivial" issues, you can move on into dealing with greater strategic/tactical heights. many of the "odd"/"insane" strats you see in sc2 are not even "viable" in sc1 due to the nature of the game, be it the unit pathing, or even "not able to micro" because you're probably stuck at managing other stuff like manual spider mining in vultures for example instead of nowdays all you do is shift queue command. tldr: sc1 is old and people should move on already (which they are, and kespa is pretty much ggkthxbainore. |
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Sep 17 2010, 03:57 PM
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Dude learn your history, nothing compares to BW progamers. You think winning a starleague title requires only perfect mechanics, and anyone who play the game 10 hours per day for 7 years can win it? Besides the dedication you need to be ahead of your time. If you think those paid starcraft 2 players can be compared to broodwar progamers, you need to do some reading first. Starcraft 2 is better than the broodwar? A mere 2 month old game is better than a 12 year old game that defined esports? Sure Starcraft 2 have a huge potential to surpass broodwar, but not yet. Only time will tell.
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Sep 17 2010, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE(RtP|DEV @ Sep 17 2010, 03:57 PM) Dude learn your history, nothing compares to BW progamers. You think winning a starleague title requires only perfect mechanics, and anyone who play the game 10 hours per day for 7 years can win it? Besides the dedication you need to be ahead of your time. If you think those paid starcraft 2 players can be compared to broodwar progamers, you need to do some reading first. Starcraft 2 is better than the broodwar? A mere 2 month old game is better than a 12 year old game that defined esports? Sure Starcraft 2 have a huge potential to surpass broodwar, but not yet. Only time will tell. okay old timer. |
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Sep 17 2010, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 02:35 PM) a huge majority of the GSL players are progamers with valid contracts/sponsors. SC1 has the Korean Air sponsoring them at their back and the top player earned 500K USD$ (not including salary and advertising) this year due to his outstanding performance and what do you mean by odd/insane starts not viable in SC1, those SC1 progamers have easily 200+ to 400 apm average and can do what they want to achieve, its just that playing solidly without silly gimmicks proves to be better in so many ways. And whats with manually spider mining, it isn't even hard and even I can do it while managing my tanks and my econ at the same time my main point is still this: sc2 is the new game and is better than sc1 in so many aspects. one can argue that sc2 is easier to play with better AI and automations (like how workers are completely retarded in mining, or unit pathing/targeting) etc, however that in my (and many others and even the majority of progamers) opinion does not make the game any easier because instead of managing "trivial" issues, you can move on into dealing with greater strategic/tactical heights. many of the "odd"/"insane" strats you see in sc2 are not even "viable" in sc1 due to the nature of the game, be it the unit pathing, or even "not able to micro" because you're probably stuck at managing other stuff like manual spider mining in vultures for example instead of nowdays all you do is shift queue command. tldr: sc1 is old and people should move on already (which they are, and kespa is pretty much ggkthxbainore.  .You probably think starcraft 2 is doing well in Korea, that however is not the case as it did not even reach the top 10 charts (not even the top 20) and is even beaten by a Counter Strike clone called sudden attack and PC bangs in Korea are still filled with people playing every other game except SC2. Blizzard still has a long long way to go if they even want to make SC2 a successful E-sports and they just blew plenty of good choices they could have made when game was designed. This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Sep 17 2010, 04:11 PM |
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Sep 17 2010, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 04:05 PM) SC1 has the Korean Air sponsoring them at their back and the top player earned 500K USD$ (not including salary and advertising) this year due to his outstanding performance and what do you mean by odd/insane starts not viable in SC1, those SC1 progamers have easily 200+ to 400 apm average and can do what they want to achieve, its just that playing solidly without silly gimmicks proves to be better in so many ways. And whats with manually spider mining, it isn't even hard and even I can do it while managing my tanks and my econ at the same time thats all pretty much covered on that "scfacts.jpg" and yes i do know a bit of sc2 history with wiki pages/team liquid wiki/even natgeo covered it. .You probably think starcraft 2 is doing well in Korea, that however is not the case as it did not even reach the top 10 charts (not even the top 20) and is even beaten by a Counter Strike clone called sudden attack and PC bangs in Korea are still filled with people playing every other game except SC2. fact: sc1 apm meters takes account into a lot of redundant movements while sc2 doesnt more facts: most pro korean sc1 players can achieve 400-500+ apm, even one guy (on youtube, cant remember him though lol) having as much as 800+ while for sc2, they only got 300-400+ maxed. some of them who transitioned from sc1 -> 2 also achieved lower apm, and as people did pointed out that apm thread - apm is not the be all end all in sc2. (it *could* be the case for sc1, however in sc2 it definitely isnt) so tell me, would manual spamming spider mines, as compared to sc2's intelligent casting/command queueing, which is easier? and which you may prefer? if you still stick with sc1, to each its own i guess. and no, i definitely did not think sc2 is doing better than sc1 in korea for many reasons. amongst them, no doubt, sc1 played an important role in reviving s.korea's dying economy way back in the 1990's, achieving its revered status, and of course lolkespa, which is pretty much dying now anyways. however, think about this: sc2 is already having the most prize pot in ANY esport game TO DATE (AFAIK, do correct me if im wrong. and the money http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL 170k with first place at 85k usd, nothing to date, again, afaik, is even close to that) . surpassing world of warcraft/warcraft3/ and of course, starcraft 1. that is something to think about. |
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Sep 17 2010, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 04:18 PM) thats all pretty much covered on that "scfacts.jpg" and yes i do know a bit of sc2 history with wiki pages/team liquid wiki/even natgeo covered it. Here's a list of reasons of what is going on with SC2 in Korea by a Teamliquid south korean veteran named Mr. Hoonfact: sc1 apm meters takes account into a lot of redundant movements while sc2 doesnt more facts: most pro korean sc1 players can achieve 400-500+ apm, even one guy (on youtube, cant remember him though lol) having as much as 800+ while for sc2, they only got 300-400+ maxed. some of them who transitioned from sc1 -> 2 also achieved lower apm, and as people did pointed out that apm thread - apm is not the be all end all in sc2. (it *could* be the case for sc1, however in sc2 it definitely isnt) so tell me, would manual spamming spider mines, as compared to sc2's intelligent casting/command queueing, which is easier? and which you may prefer? if you still stick with sc1, to each its own i guess. and no, i definitely did not think sc2 is doing better than sc1 in korea for many reasons. amongst them, no doubt, sc1 played an important role in reviving s.korea's dying economy way back in the 1990's, achieving its revered status, and of course lolkespa, which is pretty much dying now anyways. however, think about this: sc2 is already having the most prize pot in ANY esport game TO DATE (AFAIK, do correct me if im wrong. and the money http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL 170k with first place at 85k usd, nothing to date, again, afaik, is even close to that) . surpassing world of warcraft/warcraft3/ and of course, starcraft 1. that is something to think about. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Sep 17 2010, 05:16 PM |
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Sep 17 2010, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 05:15 PM) Here's a list of reasons of what is going on with SC2 in Korea by a Teamliquid south korean veteran named Mr. Hoon you just posted someone's PERSONAL rant/opinion instead of a "list of reasons"» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « and believe it or not, money drives esport, without money there is no esport. sc2 has the most of that. and heh koreans are computer illiterate. cant say i didnt got a good laugh out of that |
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Sep 17 2010, 06:00 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 05:19 PM) you just posted someone's PERSONAL rant/opinion instead of a "list of reasons" and believe it or not, money drives esport, without money there is no esport. sc2 has the most of that. and heh koreans are computer illiterate. cant say i didnt got a good laugh out of that Watch from 2:10 Watch from 6:30 If you think money is what that drives esports, SC2 would still probably be behind as all proteams main players are payed a monthly salary, coupled with Korean Air + MBC game sponsors. (The last OSL was even played at Shanghai) You think you know more than a Korean that has been a moderator in teamliquid for more than 5 years? Think again. This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Sep 17 2010, 06:07 PM |
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Sep 17 2010, 06:06 PM
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lol wutever it is, GSL2010 has already proved that SC2 is already successful in korea...
with the 2nd GSL announced, SC2 has just gone so big... and enuff wit the sc1bw > sc2 players... the game is different ffs... |
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Sep 17 2010, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 06:00 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « If you think money is what that drives esports, SC2 would still probably be behind as all proteams main players are payed a monthly salary, coupled with Korean Air + MBC game sponsors. (The last OSL was even played at Shanghai) You think you know more than a Korean that has been a moderator in teamliquid for more than 5 years? Think again. and no, i most certainly did not claim that i know more than a korean in regards to sc or sc2, however whats clear is that sc1 is old, and sc2 is slowly/eventually (but surely, as we can see in GSL, and a huge MAJORITY of sc1 players moving on to sc2 as their contracts expire) replacing it. and kespa is dying thanks to blizzard. let me ask you one golden question: if SC1 is such a godlike game and it supersedes sc2 in whatever fashion you are claiming now, why are you having that sc2 signature? why play something that isnt as good (sc1) ? Added on September 17, 2010, 6:13 pm QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 17 2010, 06:06 PM) lol wutever it is, GSL2010 has already proved that SC2 is already successful in korea... well its not on tv, how can sc2 be successful? with the 2nd GSL announced, SC2 has just gone so big... and enuff wit the sc1bw > sc2 players... the game is different ffs...  This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 17 2010, 06:13 PM |
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Sep 17 2010, 06:14 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 06:13 PM) so umm, you realize that sc2 players are also contracted which also means having a salary on top of whatever they may earn in tournaments (namely GSL) just exactly like SC1, right? lol. +1 for the boldedand no, i most certainly did not claim that i know more than a korean in regards to sc or sc2, however whats clear is that sc1 is old, and sc2 is slowly/eventually (but surely, as we can see in GSL, and a huge MAJORITY of sc1 players moving on to sc2 as their contracts expire) replacing it. and kespa is dying thanks to blizzard. let me ask you one golden question: if SC1 is such a godlike game and it supersedes sc2 in whatever fashion you are claiming now, why are you having that sc2 signature? why play something that isnt as good (sc1) ? Added on September 17, 2010, 6:13 pm well its not on tv, how can sc2 be successful? USD 175k every 2 month (less actually) of prize payout excluding sponsors etc... not to mention the GSL finals after 4 legs of GSLs... just bored about rant 'sc1 players coming to sc2 are noobs cause they cant survive in sc1 anymore... nada and july were one of the most successful sc1 player (nada still damn successful due to his wins) and sc1 fanboy regard them as noobs now? do note nada is HIGHLY paid still but he chose to opt out of his contract... he knows a dying game is dying... This post has been edited by evofantasy: Sep 17 2010, 06:17 PM |
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Sep 17 2010, 06:22 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 06:13 PM) so umm, you realize that sc2 players are also contracted which also means having a salary on top of whatever they may earn in tournaments (namely GSL) just exactly like SC1, right? lol. Huge majority by you mean tester, Iron, Idra and all the retired gamers? They almost accomplished nothing in their SC1 career that's why?and no, i most certainly did not claim that i know more than a korean in regards to sc or sc2, however whats clear is that sc1 is old, and sc2 is slowly/eventually (but surely, as we can see in GSL, and a huge MAJORITY of sc1 players moving on to sc2 as their contracts expire) replacing it. and kespa is dying thanks to blizzard. let me ask you one golden question: if SC1 is such a godlike game and it supersedes sc2 in whatever fashion you are claiming now, why are you having that sc2 signature? why play something that isnt as good (sc1) ? Added on September 17, 2010, 6:13 pm well its not on tv, how can sc2 be successful? Here's Tester's SC1 track record All: 45-69 (39.47%) Here's Iron's Record (and yeah his real name is Jang Min Chul) All: 1-9 (10.00%) And Here's Idras Korean Record All: 2-4 (33.33%) You wonder why I'm playing SC2? Cause its a fun game? Yeah. Do I still play SC1? Yeah. Why I don't have a Iccup signature, cause I didn't make 1? If you think GSL is successful, just look at the crowd, its not even half of an average proleague audience. Both Nada and Julyzerg are burnout players, which basically means they have no more ability to compete with the average 20 year old player SC1 pro that probably is better than them in almost anyway. Switching to SC2 was not a bad choice for them, but the last time I saw their team sent them out for a proleague game was probably 1 year ago. This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Sep 17 2010, 06:28 PM |
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Sep 17 2010, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 06:22 PM) Huge majority by you mean tester, Iron, Idra and all the retired gamers? They almost accomplished nothing in their SC1 career that's why? lol is sc1 the same game as sc2?Here's Tester's SC1 track record All: 45-69 (39.47%) Here's Iron's Record (and yeah his real name is Jang Min Chul) All: 1-9 (10.00%) And Here's Idras Korean Record All: 2-4 (33.33%) You wonder why I'm playing SC2? Cause its a fun game? Yeah. Do I still play SC1? Yeah. Why I don't have a Iccup signature, cause I didn't make 1? If you think GSL is successful, just look at the crowd, its not even half of an average proleague audience. Both Nada and Julyzerg are burnout players, which basically means they have no more ability to compete with the average 20 year old player SC1 pro that probably is better than them in almost most of the time. Switching to SC2 was not a bad choice for them, but the last time I saw their team sent them out for a proleague game was probably 1 year ago. as if players can never improve LOL... who knows tester just sucks wit sc1 bad AI LOL GSL is even more popular than the proleague when u take into the account of foreign viewers LOL... globalization dude... |
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Sep 17 2010, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 06:22 PM) Huge majority by you mean tester, Iron, Idra and all the retired gamers? They almost accomplished nothing in their SC1 career that's why? just as evo pointed above, sc1 and sc2 is a different game. what failed them on sc1 maybe what works for them in sc2. at the end of the day they are earning money. whats the problem then?Here's Tester's SC1 track record All: 45-69 (39.47%) Here's Iron's Record (and yeah his real name is Jang Min Chul) All: 1-9 (10.00%) And Here's Idras Korean Record All: 2-4 (33.33%) You wonder why I'm playing SC2? Cause its a fun game? Yeah. Do I still play SC1? Yeah. Why I don't have a Iccup signature, cause I didn't make 1? If you think GSL is successful, just look at the crowd, its not even half of an average proleague audience. and what, sc2 is fun? in your earlier "reasons" on sc2 should be casuals first then esports, and most importantly being a fun game, isnt that whats being achieved for sc2? according to you, it did for you, no? and why compare crowds on the studio when you know, its not even on television? GSL is now available world wide (for free too may i add, just on SD streams lawl) as opposed to previous "not so easy to acquire" korean pro leagues games. sure, sc2 may not be as winrar as sc1 was in *korea*, *YET*, but considering its scale on the global stage, AND the fact that it is and WILL eventually get pass sc1, who are you kidding lol. will YOU be playing sc1 for your entire life time? stick to 2D sprites for all eternity? the majority is answering no. you're playing sc2, i am playing sc2, i think we share that same answer to that. |
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Sep 17 2010, 06:32 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 06:29 PM) just as evo pointed above, sc1 and sc2 is a different game. what failed them on sc1 maybe what works for them in sc2. at the end of the day they are earning money. whats the problem then? GSL was so popular that the official stream limit for it exceeded within the first few mintues...and what, sc2 is fun? in your earlier "reasons" on sc2 should be casuals first then esports, and most importantly being a fun game, isnt that whats being achieved for sc2? according to you, it did for you, no? and why compare crowds on the studio when you know, its not even on television? GSL is now available world wide (for free too may i add, just on SD streams lawl) as opposed to previous "not so easy to acquire" korean pro leagues games. sure, sc2 may not be as winrar as sc1 was in *korea*, *YET*, but considering its scale on the global stage, AND the fact that it is and WILL eventually get pass sc1, who are you kidding lol. will YOU be playing sc1 for your entire life time? stick to 2D sprites for all eternity? the majority is answering no. you're playing sc2, i am playing sc2, i think we share that same answer to that. not to mention thousands of viewers off various restream... |
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Sep 17 2010, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 17 2010, 06:32 PM) GSL was so popular that the official stream limit for it exceeded within the first few mintues... Yeah and the fact that GSL is trying to kill the proleague as they are afraid of competition? Did you know that GomTV has been trying to forcefully shut down the proleagues recently? I'm just disgusted by the fact that so many SC2 players are blinded by the fact that Gretech does not care about SC1 at all. So popular that the official stream limit exceeded its limit? Of course it exceeded its limit, its free.not to mention thousands of viewers off various restream... This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Sep 17 2010, 06:46 PM |
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Sep 17 2010, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 06:43 PM) Yeah and the fact that GSL is trying to kill the proleague as they are afraid of competition? Did you know that GomTV has been trying to forcefully shuting down the proleagues recently? I'm just disgusted by the fact that so many SC2 players are blinded by the fact that Gretech does not care about SC1 at all. So popular that the official stream limit exceeded its limit? Of course it exceeded its limit, its free. so wut if it is free?it still measures the viewership... i dun remember the figures for the paid USD20 services but it was pretty damn high (almost enough to cover the prize pool)... tell me this, why WOULD U NOT WANNA KILL UR COMPETITION? welcome to the real world... |
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Sep 17 2010, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 06:43 PM) Yeah and the fact that GSL is trying to kill the proleague as they are afraid of competition? Did you know that GomTV has been trying to forcefully shut down the proleagues recently? I'm just disgusted by the fact that so many SC2 players are blinded by the fact that Gretech does not care about SC1 at all. So popular that the official stream limit exceeded its limit? Of course it exceeded its limit, its free. - why blame gom tv when blizzard already ruled out that no sc1 leagues after august unless its authorized by them?- because gretech knows where to utilize its assets? eg: spending on a game that is current and not a game that is 12 years ago - his point was that many people are watching it, and if its exceeded limit, theres always re-streams. |
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Sep 17 2010, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 06:48 PM) - why blame gom tv when blizzard already ruled out that no sc1 leagues after august unless its authorized by them? - because gretech knows where to utilize its assets? eg: spending on a game that is current and not a game that is 12 years ago - his point was that many people are watching it, and if its exceeded limit, theres always re-streams. QUOTE so wut if it is free? it still measures the viewership... i dun remember the figures for the paid USD20 services but it was pretty damn high (almost enough to cover the prize pool)... tell me this, why WOULD U NOT WANNA KILL UR COMPETITION? welcome to the real world... Of course, it means nothing to you, you never played brood war neither did you ever watched BW pro-gaming, which I did from the start. If Brood War was never popular and well organised by Kespa, do you think there would be GSL today? |
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Sep 17 2010, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 06:52 PM) Of course, it means nothing to you, you never played brood war neither did you ever watched BW pro-gaming, which I did from the start. If Brood War was never popular and well organised by Kespa, do you think there would be GSL today? as i said, this is the real world...there's no free food and i dun mind if GSL kill off kespa if GSL is doing a good job... after all i am the end user only... not to mention kespa's retarded claim on blizzard's IP... |
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Sep 17 2010, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 06:52 PM) Of course, it means nothing to you, you never played brood war neither did you ever watched BW pro-gaming, which I did from the start. If Brood War was never popular and well organised by Kespa, do you think there would be GSL today? and you KNOW i never played brood war nor have i never watched BW pro-gaming? wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwah, the good old days of LAN (wwwww) and UDP packet bnet. it doesnt matter if kespa or god friggin made sc1 what it is today, it is CLEAR that Starcraft belongs to blizzard and they are free to do w/e the f*** they want with it and not what kespa claimed that sc is a damn football and it should be free. no blizzard NO STARCRAFT. end of story. point was CLEAR that its time to move on. be it from blizzard, or from the majority of CASUALS and FANS. or myself, or the people posting in this sub forum or even YOU, who plays SC2 |
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 06:55 PM) and you KNOW i never played brood war nor have i never watched BW pro-gaming? wwwwwwwwwwwwwww Blah Blah move on? What about all those progamers that trained like mad just to master SC1? You expect them to just move to SC2?ah, the good old days of LAN (wwwww) and UDP packet bnet. it doesnt matter if kespa or god friggin made sc1 what it is today, it is CLEAR that Starcraft belongs to blizzard and they are free to do w/e the f*** they want with it and not what kespa claimed that sc is a damn football and it should be free. no blizzard NO STARCRAFT. end of story. point was CLEAR that its time to move on. be it from blizzard, or from the majority of CASUALS and FANS. or myself, or the people posting in this sub forum or even YOU, who plays SC2 I'm also pretty surprised that they just launched the tourney just for the sake of money without even patching the game 1st and developing a better map pool, it just seems unprofessional to me. This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Sep 17 2010, 07:07 PM |
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Sep 17 2010, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 07:02 PM) Blah Blah move on? What about all those progamers that trained like mad just to master SC1? You expect them to just move to SC2? why not?its like in real life, a real job. a new software is released, employees are expected to adapt, or quit their job. apply this to sc1 and sc2. you either move on and adapt, or stay behind get taken over. you think RL would be so kind to wait for EVERYONE? oh hell no lol. then again i work in IT field, where its a battle field constantly as the market is too damn saturated lol. just like an engineer thats damn expert in windows XP. windows 7 is the current OS, and the company is moving forward for it. you think the company would not move on because their of their win xp pro engineer? no. the company would just reassign or fire that engineer, and hire someone thats pro at win7. thats a harsh reality of life. |
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Sep 17 2010, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 07:02 PM) Blah Blah move on? What about all those progamers that trained like mad just to master SC1? You expect them to just move to SC2? why not?I'm also pretty surprised that they just launched the tourney just for the sake of money without even patching the game 1st and developing a better map pool, it just seems unprofessional to me. IEM, MLG all of these are highly successful... wut can u expect from a few month old game  'tell me was sc1 in their early few months this successful? lots of map pool, heavily patched etc??? apparently nada and julyzerg moved on... |
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Sep 17 2010, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 07:09 PM) why not? The difference is the last patch on balance that was ever needed for SC1 was already applied before SC1 progaming started, just look at the balance and players qualifying GSL now.its like in real life, a real job. a new software is released, employees are expected to adapt, or quit their job. apply this to sc1 and sc2. you either move on and adapt, or stay behind get taken over. you think RL would be so kind to wait for EVERYONE? oh hell no lol. then again i work in IT field, where its a battle field constantly as the market is too damn saturated lol. just like an engineer thats damn expert in windows XP. windows 7 is the current OS, and the company is moving forward for it. you think the company would not move on because their of their win xp pro engineer? no. the company would just reassign or fire that engineer, and hire someone thats pro at win7. thats a harsh reality of life. |
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Sep 17 2010, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 07:09 PM) why not? ^ thisits like in real life, a real job. a new software is released, employees are expected to adapt, or quit their job. apply this to sc1 and sc2. you either move on and adapt, or stay behind get taken over. you think RL would be so kind to wait for EVERYONE? oh hell no lol. then again i work in IT field, where its a battle field constantly as the market is too damn saturated lol. just like an engineer thats damn expert in windows XP. windows 7 is the current OS, and the company is moving forward for it. you think the company would not move on because their of their win xp pro engineer? no. the company would just reassign or fire that engineer, and hire someone thats pro at win7. thats a harsh reality of life. the good ones are able to adapt... |
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Sep 17 2010, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 17 2010, 07:11 PM) ^ this At Ro32the good ones are able to adapt... There are only 6 zergs, 15 terrans and 11 tosses made it through At the current state of the GSL, only a maximum number of 3 zergs will reach the ro16 coupled with the crappy maps. I'll say this GSL should have started after a few patches and a more balanced map pool. This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Sep 17 2010, 07:19 PM |
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Sep 17 2010, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 07:17 PM) At Ro32 you wanna look back at SC1 vanilla way back when it was 2 months old? esport for sc1 doesnt even exist back then during that time ROFL. THATS your comparisonThere are only 6 zergs, 15 terrans and 11 tosses made it through At the current state of the GSL, only a maximum number of 3 zergs will reach the ro16 coupled with the crappy maps. I'll say this GSL should have started after a few patches and a more balanced map pool. |
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Sep 17 2010, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 07:17 PM) At Ro32 wut i mean is that the good sc1 players would be able to adapt into sc2...There are only 6 zergs, 15 terrans and 11 tosses made it through At the current state of the GSL, only a maximum number of 3 zergs will reach the ro16 coupled with the crappy maps. I'll say this GSL should have started after a few patches and a more balanced map pool. i do agree about the terran imbalances when top the64 have mostly toss... but again, MLG and IEM is successful... in IEM zerg is 2nd and 3rd... |
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Sep 17 2010, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 17 2010, 07:22 PM) wut i mean is that the good sc1 players would be able to adapt into sc2... It's because its not played at a higher level, once better players play it, you can see the difference when imbalances come in. I'm not saying the zerg players are awful, its just that I believe they should have launched this competition a bit later. You do have to realized that they are giving lots of money for a competition which was one sided in the first place.i do agree about the terran imbalances when top the64 have mostly toss... but again, MLG and IEM is successful... in IEM zerg is 2nd and 3rd... QUOTE you wanna look back at SC1 vanilla way back when it was 2 months old? esport for sc1 doesnt even exist back then during that time ROFL. THATS your comparison Don't make silly comments, I don't respond to retards that post that way. |
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Sep 17 2010, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 07:27 PM) It's because its not played at a higher level, once better players play it, you can see the difference when imbalances come in. I'm not saying the zerg players are awful, its just that I believe they should have launched this competition a bit later. You do have to realized that they are giving lots of money for a competition which was one sided in the first place. well did u watch cool aka fruitester's game yesterday?Don't make silly comments, I don't respond to retards that post that way. he beat the terran so convincingly and made it to ro16... cool even said that idra is at the same level as him but 2 different playstyle... so IEM is still high lvl in my books... btw now check is doing very very well vs his terran opponent (justfake) who beat the escJung... nvm that check jsut won LOL... check 1-0 justfake now and ZvT is supposed to be freaking imbalanced lol This post has been edited by evofantasy: Sep 17 2010, 07:32 PM |
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Sep 17 2010, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 07:27 PM) It's because its not played at a higher level, once better players play it, you can see the difference when imbalances come in. I'm not saying the zerg players are awful, its just that I believe they should have launched this competition a bit later. You do have to realized that they are giving lots of money for a competition which was one sided in the first place. if zerg suck, DONT play zerg. play another race and ADAPT.Don't make silly comments, I don't respond to retards that post that way. and hell, YOU'RE THE ONE thats been comparing BOTH GAMES till NO END when it comes to esport. and i make ONE comparison on that post and im suddenly a retard now? good going right thar  take a pick: compare or not to compare sc1 and sc2. make up your damn mind. ps: you just responded to me anyways. |
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Sep 17 2010, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 17 2010, 07:29 PM) well did u watch cool aka fruitester's game yesterday? But you do have to note that both OGszenio and Idra did not make it leaves only 3 zergs left. Somehow, I knew Idra would never make it, he just has nothing a good player would show.he beat the terran so convincingly and made it to ro16... cool even said that idra is at the same level as him but 2 different playstyle... so IEM is still high lvl in my books... btw now check is doing very very well vs his terran opponent (justfake) who beat the escJung... This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Sep 17 2010, 07:34 PM |
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Sep 17 2010, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 17 2010, 07:29 PM) well did u watch cool aka fruitester's game yesterday? imo someone's just bitter that zherk suck and now shifts the entire thread to balance issue wwwwwwwwhe beat the terran so convincingly and made it to ro16... cool even said that idra is at the same level as him but 2 different playstyle... so IEM is still high lvl in my books... btw now check is doing very very well vs his terran opponent (justfake) who beat the escJung... nvm that check jsut won LOL... check 1-0 justfake now and ZvT is supposed to be freaking imbalanced lol Added on September 17, 2010, 7:35 pm QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 07:32 PM) But you do have to note that both OGszenio and Idra did not make it leaves only 3 zergs left. Somehow, I knew Idra would never make it, he just has nothing a good player would show. you're saying idra is a bad player now? oh wow lolThis post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 17 2010, 07:35 PM |
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Sep 17 2010, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 07:31 PM) if zerg suck, DONT play zerg. play another race and ADAPT. Did Blizzard launch a tourney for SC1 when it was launched? No? Why? Because of money, there was no esports that time.and hell, YOU'RE THE ONE thats been comparing BOTH GAMES till NO END when it comes to esport. and i make ONE comparison on that post and im suddenly a retard now? good going right thar take a pick: compare or not to compare sc1 and sc2. make up your damn mind. ps: you just responded to me anyways. Idra a good player? Come on, He's arrogant like anything. Thinks he all mighty and views himself as the best foreigner, and during the broodwar times he even boasted that he would take down a China zerg player in a clean sweep. Guess what, he got trashed pretty badly. After that game, all he made was excuses and wonder why he never made it into the CJ entus main squad for even a single appearance during his entire career as a progamer. And the thread title is also super misleading, Kespa is screwed....because Nada goes to sc2? This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Sep 17 2010, 07:46 PM |
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Sep 17 2010, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 07:32 PM) But you do have to note that both OGszenio and Idra did not make it leaves only 3 zergs left. Somehow, I knew Idra would never make it, he just has nothing a good player would show. yes i do know as i have been livestreaming most of the matches (almost all in fact)...idra lost is LOL... he didnt scout enuff in game 3, bad unit compo etc... he deserve the lost for being overconfident... he played superbly game 1 and early in game 3 but again he made some crucial mistakes... and idra not a good player? definitely better than any of us here... but again, cool won 2-0 vs terran and check in 1-0 lead now... its nt as imbalanced as it seems (though still imbalanced to me)... btw u are always welcome to go terran like dimaga...This post has been edited by evofantasy: Sep 17 2010, 07:40 PM |
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Sep 17 2010, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 07:36 PM) Did Blizzard launch a tourney for SC1 when it was launched? No? Why? Because of money, there was no esports that time. you dont get it, do you? lol. |
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Sep 17 2010, 07:53 PM
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guess wut?
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Sep 17 2010, 07:56 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 17 2010, 07:53 PM) guess wut? Wow, 2 zergs made it through, lets see if the last one can make it. checkprime (Z) 2-0 justfakewerra (T)  |
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Sep 17 2010, 07:56 PM
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today's games pretty good especially hongunprime's one sided bashing of zenio...
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Sep 17 2010, 08:00 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 17 2010, 07:56 PM) today's games pretty good especially hongunprime's one sided bashing of zenio... Hongunprime is pretty good as a toss player, I've seen many replays where he expands and gets delayed phoenix which in one case even catches check off guard. Do note that check was a pretty darn good WC3 player before he swapped games.known to have the superb PvZ its expected especially his phoenix control... |
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Sep 17 2010, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 08:00 PM) Hongunprime is pretty good as a toss player, I've seen many replays where he expands and gets delayed phoenix which in one case even catches check off guard. Do note that check was a pretty darn good WC3 player before he swapped games. check in ro64 played horribly LOL...btw check was the one who orchestra-ed idra's defeat... wc3 players are so boring... lots of all-in play into turtle... This post has been edited by evofantasy: Sep 17 2010, 08:02 PM |
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Sep 17 2010, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 17 2010, 08:02 PM) check in ro64 played horribly LOL... The WC3 scene is pretty bleak right now, but I still respect the players a lot, many of them are moving to SC2 which I'm really kinda sad about it. btw check was the one who orchestra-ed idra's defeat... wc3 players are so boring... lots of all-in play into turtle... Grubby Commentates You can watch some recent good games here with grubby commentating. Here's and excerpt from Idra's match against random chinese dude QUOTE I'm very confident. Korean Zerg strategies are ahead of foreign Zergs by about 1-2 years, and foreign ZvT also develops very slowly. I think TvZ is my strongest matchup. I predict I will go 6-1 or 5-2; there are a few maps that are very suited to early rushes, very suitable to his [F91’s] style, so I might lose two games. He loses 5-2 and replies QUOTE why are you pretending you know anything about starcraft? raid assault is covered in narrow passages and high grounds and has a very short rush distance through the center, as well as high ground immediately outside the natural. it also has a total of 2 gas expos outside the mains and naturals, both of which are near impossible to defend vs drops. as such if zerg lets terran get into the mid/long game in good shape, they are going to lose. with 3 hatch the only real option is a 3 hat lurk ling allin to try to abuse the back way, thats quite risky in itself but he wasnt even going 3 hat lair. however, the natural and main are very far apart, there is a cliff over the natural, and the main's min line is backed up against water. this makes 2 hat muta exceptionally good. this means that an intelligent zerg will go 2 hatch, my build was designed to take advantage of that and so lost because he went 3 hatch. going 3 hatch is utterly retarded for the reasons i just explained so yes i did lose because he did something dumb. |
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Sep 17 2010, 08:29 PM
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IdrA raging after he lost. Big surprise.
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Sep 17 2010, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 08:20 PM) The WC3 scene is pretty bleak right now, but I still respect the players a lot, many of them are moving to SC2 which I'm really kinda sad about it. wc3 players who got into sc2 u can see all their style are so similar (especially werra players)...Grubby Commentates You can watch some recent good games here with grubby commentating. Here's and excerpt from Idra's match against random chinese dude He loses 5-2 and replies same as root gaming from the US/EU scene... |
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Sep 17 2010, 10:11 PM
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Lol from first page i already can feel the same heat from the cs community, where source just released and everyone say cs1.6 > source, blabla thing, :S
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Sep 18 2010, 03:23 AM
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it's the same for every game, dota 5.84 anyone recalls?
somehow u are forced move it on Added on September 18, 2010, 3:31 am QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 08:20 PM) The WC3 scene is pretty bleak right now, but I still respect the players a lot, many of them are moving to SC2 which I'm really kinda sad about it. Grubby was formal champion right? he quit playing?Grubby Commentates You can watch some recent good games here with grubby commentating. Here's and excerpt from Idra's match against random chinese dude He loses 5-2 and replies This post has been edited by Sky.Live: Sep 18 2010, 03:31 AM |
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Sep 18 2010, 04:17 AM
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just get an A rank for scbw in iccup then u cany say all u want about bw then lol, anyway i just watch flash vs jaedong rivalry again, so hot , anyone watched
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Sep 18 2010, 05:34 PM
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sooner or later, Sc2 will takeover. the fact that Sc1 hardcore cant accept, maybe?
move on. thats how this WORLD works. |
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Sep 18 2010, 10:26 PM
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Sep 18 2010, 03:23 AM) it's the same for every game, dota 5.84 anyone recalls? clinging on to old things are useless, dota was a very good example. somehow u are forced move it on 5.84c transition to ver.6 proved it. no matter what went down, ver.6 prevailed at the end. it maybe some custom map, but its undeniable popular. |
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Sep 19 2010, 03:42 AM
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Sep 20 2010, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Sep 19 2010, 03:42 AM) ^ I played them but not really knowing the issue behind, I know cs1.6 was upheld in tournament for sometimeProbably you don't know what happened to cs1.6 and cs source i guess? |
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Sep 22 2010, 04:49 PM
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There was still quite a lot of problems when CS Source came out.
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Sep 22 2010, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE(tatyinw @ Sep 22 2010, 04:49 PM) There was still quite a lot of problems when CS Source came out. thing is unlike CS source, SC2 is widely popular worldwideThough valve have continuously patched it to make it better. |
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Sep 22 2010, 05:06 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 22 2010, 04:53 PM) thing is unlike CS source, SC2 is widely popular worldwide Yea true that.Was thinking that it was going to happen for CS Source but then the amount of problems back then was quite a let down. By the time it was good and stable, it was already too late. Though it was still lovely eye candy and it was still fun to be able to shoot barrels down, until it rolled beside you and you end up not being able to move to avoid the bullets and died. |
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I would like to think that both SC:BW & SC II are independent games instead of comparing which is better and vice versa. All I want is for Proleague to be back. Guess this is going to the Korean courts when Proleague continues by Kespa. Also, agree everything said by Jason.
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Sep 27 2010, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(Tsumi @ Sep 27 2010, 12:22 PM) I would like to think that both SC:BW & SC II are independent games instead of comparing which is better and vice versa. All I want is for Proleague to be back. Guess this is going to the Korean courts when Proleague continues by Kespa. Also, agree everything said by Jason. >Joined: Aug 2010heh. btw, rather just Korean court, international law/court may be involved too since dun dun dun, Blizzard is from USA |
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Sep 27 2010, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 27 2010, 12:32 PM) >Joined: Aug 2010 I like how you diss on new members, you're an absolute jerk heh. btw, rather just Korean court, international law/court may be involved too since dun dun dun, Blizzard is from USA  |
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Sep 27 2010, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 27 2010, 03:52 PM) I like how you diss on new members, you're an absolute jerk tell me something i do not know |
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Sep 27 2010, 06:02 PM
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comparing between games and squeals often lead to nowhere. It's like comparing the old thick chinese pancakes with new thin chinese pancakes. Cause at the end of the day, they are still pancakes
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Sep 27 2010, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE(nipaa1412 @ Sep 27 2010, 06:02 PM) comparing between games and squeals often lead to nowhere. It's like comparing the old thick chinese pancakes with new thin chinese pancakes. Cause at the end of the day, they are still pancakes which chinese pancakes you're talking about? |
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Sep 27 2010, 06:22 PM
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superb play by intotherainbow (intotherain in sc1) with superb drops...
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Sep 27 2010, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 27 2010, 06:22 PM) superb play by intotherainbow (intotherain in sc1) with superb drops... i dont know man, compared to STC (who won against tester...) kinda pales. but still... STILL. wtf checkprimedefinitely copied from his famous sc1 reaver play LOL... |
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Sep 27 2010, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 27 2010, 06:34 PM) i dont know man, compared to STC (who won against tester...) kinda pales. but still... STILL. wtf checkprime hmmm i feel rainbow better than stc...rainbow ensnare and clide are the 3 best terrans imho now |
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Sep 27 2010, 06:50 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 27 2010, 06:37 PM) hmmm i feel rainbow better than stc... speaking of ensnare, i think anypro being owned on the 2 colo changed the entire shit completely. the 2 colo COULD've changed the outcome despite the income advantage. but oh wells. 2 free colo gone.rainbow ensnare and clide are the 3 best terrans imho now |
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Sep 27 2010, 07:05 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 27 2010, 06:50 PM) speaking of ensnare, i think anypro being owned on the 2 colo changed the entire shit completely. the 2 colo COULD've changed the outcome despite the income advantage. but oh wells. 2 free colo gone. ensnare almsot lost it but mule spam saved him " |
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Sep 27 2010, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 27 2010, 07:05 PM) ensnare almsot lost it but mule spam saved him marine spam, VR, banshee. meh terran meh." |
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Sep 27 2010, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 27 2010, 07:06 PM) marine spam, VR, banshee. meh terran meh. hongun jz VRoflstomped clide lol |
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Sep 27 2010, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 27 2010, 07:54 PM) hongun jz VRoflstomped clide lol didnt watch last game since i wanna go home LAWLbut yeah, VR TOO NERFED. NEEDS BUFF! |
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Sep 27 2010, 09:44 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 27 2010, 06:22 PM) superb play by intotherainbow (intotherain in sc1) with superb drops... Haha you got intotherainbow and little bit confused with intotherain here . They both used to be protoss in SC1 and were good in their era, however intotherain retired a lot earlier than intotherainbowdefinitely copied from his famous sc1 reaver play LOL... |
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Sep 27 2010, 09:46 PM
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Reading most of the posts....seems like a very fanboy-ism thread... SC1 fans will always say SC2 sucks.. New SC2 players will always believe their game is better... GAH!!! Just wait and time will tell
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Sep 27 2010, 11:07 PM
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QUOTE(Ash @ Sep 27 2010, 09:44 PM) Haha you got intotherainbow and little bit confused with intotherain here . They both used to be protoss in SC1 and were good in their era, however intotherain retired a lot earlier than intotherainbow edit: my bad intotherainbow is intotherain's apprenticeThis post has been edited by evofantasy: Sep 29 2010, 06:18 PM |
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Sep 27 2010, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 17 2010, 10:42 AM) earlier, we had news of julyzerg leaving sc1 for sc2 and now we have......... Well i have to disagree Nada was a top player during brood war prime hence seeing him in the state now which he's only used when needed and merely as a back up player for we made fox team is sad ,So the news of him going to SC2 is definitely a surplus rather than a deficit . Besides that having july (fantaprime nick in sc2 )and nada in sc2 only makes my heart cringe because finally we get to see some KOREAN POWER unleashed in sc2 rather than foreigners. There are rumors that the legendary King of terran aka Slayers Boxer may be making the switch too .Kespa's not screwed but I am happy for an Old bw fan like because I am able to see these once feared pro gamer rise in to the scene again with his fast hands and god like micro . Long live BWNADA coming to sc2 by leaving wemadefox http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=153567 This post has been edited by Laguna: Sep 27 2010, 11:25 PM |
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Sep 28 2010, 02:28 AM
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QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 27 2010, 11:23 PM) Well i have to disagree Nada was a top player during brood war prime hence seeing him in the state now which he's only used when needed and merely as a back up player for we made fox team is sad ,So the news of him going to SC2 is definitely a surplus rather than a deficit . Besides that having july (fantaprime nick in sc2 )and nada in sc2 only makes my heart cringe because finally we get to see some KOREAN POWER unleashed in sc2 rather than foreigners. There are rumors that the legendary King of terran aka Slayers Boxer may be making the switch too .Kespa's not screwed but I am happy for an Old bw fan like because I am able to see these once feared pro gamer rise in to the scene again with his fast hands and god like micro . Long live BW well he is the team leader of wemadefox actually and he was earning 6 figures per year before quiting for sc2 (gotta admire his guts for that)...he is already top20 in the korean ladder btw... kespa is screwed when they tried to rip off blizz's IP which backfired... as for old sc1btw pros, we have rainbow already rocking over here =p |
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Sep 28 2010, 05:02 PM
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WOI KPOP WOIHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Sep 28 2010, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 27 2010, 06:13 PM) which chinese pancakes you're talking about? you know ... err "bhang chang kuah" (hokkien). The brown pancakes that comes with nuts and corn.  |
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Sep 28 2010, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE(nipaa1412 @ Sep 28 2010, 05:36 PM) you know ... err "bhang chang kuah" (hokkien). The brown pancakes that comes with nuts and corn. the one you can usually see at pasar malam too? |
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Sep 28 2010, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 28 2010, 05:42 PM) the one you can usually see at pasar malam too? think so lol. Should have use some other better comparison  |
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Sep 28 2010, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(nipaa1412 @ Sep 28 2010, 05:45 PM) think so lol. Should have use some other better comparison its folded one right? if thats the one, i didnt realize theres a thick/thin version lol |
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Sep 28 2010, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 28 2010, 05:45 PM) its folded one right? if thats the one, i didnt realize theres a thick/thin version lol Folded one is the thin one. The fatter one is the classic one  |
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Sep 28 2010, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE(nipaa1412 @ Sep 28 2010, 05:52 PM) Folded one is the thin one. The fatter one is the classic one OHHH the really really big one right? lol nowdays its mostly thin ady lol. |
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Sep 28 2010, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 28 2010, 02:28 AM) well he is the team leader of wemadefox actually and he was earning 6 figures per year before quiting for sc2 (gotta admire his guts for that)... Well six figures yes but i guess he still can be called an image of what resemble we made fox and if you check his ranking in team liquid he isn't at the top ranking any more like he use to be as stated in here http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players it merely shows his ELO rating (his previous points collected ) which never changes through time but if nada were to be put out into the fray with the young guns he cant make it as they are much faster and meaner obviously many out there will tear him apart as the top ace from KT (FLAsh ) Hwazeun Oz (Jaedong ) and many more could out gunned him easily. Besides all that like i said in my previous post its a good news for NAda .he is already top20 in the korean ladder btw... kespa is screwed when they tried to rip off blizz's IP which backfired... as for old sc1btw pros, we have rainbow already rocking over here =p Kespa isn't screwed for that i know because as a striving Non profit organization which actually cared about their players and provide at least a reasonable pay cheque for the Pro league players they have actually done a good job in making Broodwar an E SPORT event with all their fundings and Companies sponsorship . Kespa isn't the one who stole Blizzard IP it actually promoted Starcraft to where it stands now as a recognized e sport game that is very competitive to its very core in Korea . Without kespa there will be no Proleagues , no competition and no organization that actually provide a basics needs and fund to keep our Brood war pro's from going out of hunger. Blizzard in all its greediness as its stand now has fallen beyond the reasonable standard of a company that actually is trying to promote a good game (SC2) using dirty tricks such as trying to take over all Kespa rights to air time for their pro league tournament and not only that advertising illegally on buildings to promote sc2 . Blizzards has change its no longer a company that actually cares to produce a game that actually brings out the fun anymore just look at starcraft 1 when it was released there were no dirty tricks use in it's marketing regime .We all do know that Gretech is a counter part or a silhouette shadow of blizzards trying to do all its might in destroying SC : BW but as long KESPA is there BW would continue to flourish as It's quite painful for me to know that the game I love from such a long time ago since standard 6 (Bw my second game ) be destroyed and going to youtube to find that there is no more pro league any more . Finally my take on the situation I am definitely in support of Kespa as I still want to see proleague and BW to continue its legacy . Yes about rainbow and fantaprime ( july ) its good news ^^. |
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Sep 28 2010, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 28 2010, 06:07 PM) Well six figures yes but i guess he still can be called an image of what resemble we made fox and if you check his ranking in team liquid he isn't at the top ranking any more like he use to be as stated in here http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players it merely shows his ELO rating (his previous points collected ) which never changes through time but if nada were to be put out into the fray with the young guns he cant make it as they are much faster and meaner obviously many out there will tear him apart as the top ace from KT (FLAsh ) Hwazeun Oz (Jaedong ) and many more could out gunned him easily. Besides all that like i said in my previous post its a good news for NAda . >kespa NGOKespa isn't screwed for that i know because as a striving Non profit organization which actually cared about their players and provide at least a reasonable pay cheque for the Pro league players they have actually done a good job in making Broodwar an E SPORT event with all their fundings and Companies sponsorship . Kespa isn't the one who stole Blizzard IP it actually promoted Starcraft to where it stands now as a recognized e sport game that is very competitive to its very core in Korea . Without kespa there will be no Proleagues , no competition and no organization that actually provide a basics needs and fund to keep our Brood war pro's from going out of hunger. Blizzard in all its greediness as its stand now has fallen beyond the reasonable standard of a company that actually is trying to promote a good game (SC2) using dirty tricks such as trying to take over all Kespa rights to air time for their pro league tournament and not only that advertising illegally on buildings to promote sc2 . Blizzards has change its no longer a company that actually cares to produce a game that actually brings out the fun anymore just look at starcraft 1 when it was released there were no dirty tricks use in it's marketing regime .We all do know that Gretech is a counter part or a silhouette shadow of blizzards trying to do all its might in destroying SC : BW but as long KESPA is there BW would continue to flourish as It's quite painful for me to know that the game I love from such a long time ago since standard 6 (Bw my second game ) be destroyed and going to youtube to find that there is no more pro league any more . Finally my take on the situation I am definitely in support of Kespa as I still want to see proleague and BW to continue its legacy . Yes about rainbow and fantaprime ( july ) its good news ^^. /face |
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Sep 28 2010, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 28 2010, 06:18 PM) >kespa NGO /face palm /face http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_e-Spor...ers_Association |
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Sep 28 2010, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 28 2010, 06:07 PM) Well six figures yes but i guess he still can be called an image of what resemble we made fox and if you check his ranking in team liquid he isn't at the top ranking any more like he use to be as stated in here http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players it merely shows his ELO rating (his previous points collected ) which never changes through time but if nada were to be put out into the fray with the young guns he cant make it as they are much faster and meaner obviously many out there will tear him apart as the top ace from KT (FLAsh ) Hwazeun Oz (Jaedong ) and many more could out gunned him easily. Besides all that like i said in my previous post its a good news for NAda . seriously wut with ppl dissing nada cause he dun play so much anymore or is as good as he was (as though past his prime, he is non-existence by some of the comments here)?Kespa isn't screwed for that i know because as a striving Non profit organization which actually cared about their players and provide at least a reasonable pay cheque for the Pro league players they have actually done a good job in making Broodwar an E SPORT event with all their fundings and Companies sponsorship . Kespa isn't the one who stole Blizzard IP it actually promoted Starcraft to where it stands now as a recognized e sport game that is very competitive to its very core in Korea . Without kespa there will be no Proleagues , no competition and no organization that actually provide a basics needs and fund to keep our Brood war pro's from going out of hunger. Blizzard in all its greediness as its stand now has fallen beyond the reasonable standard of a company that actually is trying to promote a good game (SC2) using dirty tricks such as trying to take over all Kespa rights to air time for their pro league tournament and not only that advertising illegally on buildings to promote sc2 . Blizzards has change its no longer a company that actually cares to produce a game that actually brings out the fun anymore just look at starcraft 1 when it was released there were no dirty tricks use in it's marketing regime .We all do know that Gretech is a counter part or a silhouette shadow of blizzards trying to do all its might in destroying SC : BW but as long KESPA is there BW would continue to flourish as It's quite painful for me to know that the game I love from such a long time ago since standard 6 (Bw my second game ) be destroyed and going to youtube to find that there is no more pro league any more . Finally my take on the situation I am definitely in support of Kespa as I still want to see proleague and BW to continue its legacy . Yes about rainbow and fantaprime ( july ) its good news ^^. nada was an icon to scbw when it was in its prime thus having such a fat paycheck (and a team lead) even when he is not playing much... and him coming over to sc2 is a really big blow to kespa (especially after the whole kespa drama from IEM where they pulled nada off his showmatch as they were afraid koreans would see nada playing sc2)... and since when is kespa non-profit? they are a NGO under the sports ministry... for them to try and challenge blizzard over blizzard's own ip rights is pretty screwed up... they tried to steal it and failed as ip rights is one of the highest protected rights... those in the IT field would know wut a big issue it would be when some1 is trying to claim rights to ur own IP... and scbw is a good profit sport which is why kespa is worried to loose it since they dun have rights to sc2... if all they care is esport and not profit, they would have supported sc2 lol |
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Sep 28 2010, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 28 2010, 06:21 PM) point to me, where in that page, states that they are a non-profit organization?also, you *MAY* want to look up definitions on what is "intellectual property" and "non profit organization" (for NPO, ctrl + f the page you link, it is actually right there) =edit= hmm how come p can become g, btw, it wasnt hotlinked, so just ctrl f it in the search box This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 28 2010, 06:28 PM |
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Sep 28 2010, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 28 2010, 06:21 PM) there's a difference between a non-profit organization (like wikipedia) and a non-government organization (NGO) as NGO gets funding from the government LOL |
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Sep 28 2010, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 28 2010, 06:27 PM) seriously wut with ppl dissing nada cause he dun play so much anymore or is as good as he was (as though past his prime, he is non-existence by some of the comments here)? Do you think they would want to stop pro league and destroy its construction of the scene and jump on to sc2 ? nada was an icon to scbw when it was in its prime thus having such a fat paycheck (and a team lead) even when he is not playing much... and him coming over to sc2 is a really big blow to kespa (especially after the whole kespa drama from IEM where they pulled nada off his showmatch as they were afraid koreans would see nada playing sc2)... and since when is kespa non-profit? they are a NGO under the sports ministry... they tried to steal it and failed as ip rights is one of the highest protected rights... those in the IT field would know wut a big issue it would be when some1 is trying to claim rights to ur own IP... and scbw is a good profit sport which is why kespa is worried to loose it since they dun have rights to sc2... if all they care is esport and not profit, they would have supported sc2 lol QUOTE for them to try and challenge blizzard over blizzard's own ip rights is pretty screwed up... They did not challenge blizzard they are just negotiating between them over the screening time of the games blizzards wants to take the prime slot of BW which is to kespa isn't possible at all cost.Show me a proof that Kespa is actually trying to acquire Blizzards IP if that is what you were saying . Exactly SC BW is the soul of Korea I don't think any one with a right mind would want to take off a sport which has been existing and money gobbling for 12 years hence no way Kespa is going to let go of BW. Added on September 28, 2010, 6:38 pm QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 28 2010, 06:27 PM) point to me, where in that page, states that they are a non-profit organization? Kespa is funded by the Minister of cultural hence it isn't a body which sets up to be like other profitable organization. According to wiki definition of an NGO also, you *MAY* want to look up definitions on what is "intellectual property" and "non profit organization" (for NPO, ctrl + f the page you link, it is actually right there) =edit= hmm how come p can become g, btw, it wasnt hotlinked, so just ctrl f it in the search box QUOTE In the cases in which NGOs are funded totally or partially by governments, this does qualifies KESPA as a NGO as per requested by you to look at the definition .This thread says it all to all who thinks Kespa is a money making monster.... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=128517 This post has been edited by Laguna: Sep 28 2010, 06:47 PM |
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Sep 28 2010, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE For those who are not really aware of KeSPA's business, here's the timeline of KeSPA and its major events in (South) Korea 1. KeSPA (Korean e-Sports Player Association) was founded. 2. Blizzard didn't pay much attention to KeSPA. 3. KeSPA tried to sell tickets to offline audience for the final match of Ongamenet Starcraft taurnament. 4. Blizzard said, 'No, you can't do that.' 5. KeSPA then started to take money from two major game channels, Ongamenet and MBC Game, for broadcasting Starcraft matches in Korea 6. Blizzard got mad a bit about this. 7. Only GomTV contacted Blizzard directly to request for broadcasting matches online. 8. Blizzard asked only 1$ for the contract fee. 9. GomTV created GomTV Classic and began to broadcast games. 10. Around Season 4, KeSPA told GomTV to pay money for the broadcasting. 11. GomTV argued that KeSPA didn't have any rights to do so by mentioning its contract with Blizzard. 12. KeSPA pulled their progamers out of GomTV Classic matches. 13. Eventually, GomTV went out of business. 14. Blizzard got really mad. 15. Blizzard set in motion to protect its property as well as intellectual property of Starcraft. 16. Blizzard tried to negotiate a contract with KeSPA. 17. KeSPA refused, argueing that e-sports are like other sports such as basketball and soccer, and we don't pay money to the creator of the soccer ball for soccer games. Starcraft is for the public use like the soccer ball. 18. Michael Morhaime, the president of Blizzard, visited Korea to meet progamers while promoting new Starcraft2 beta in Korea. 19. KeSPA threatened each progamer team not to meet Michael Morhaime. 20. So Michael Morhaime couldn't meet any progamers and had to return to U.S. in vain. 21. Blizzard constantly tried to negotiate with KeSPA, but KeSPA kept refusing for the same reason. 22. Blizzard finally announced that there'll be no negotiation with KeSPA. 23. Blizzard provided GomTV with the rights for broadcasting all the matches using Blizzard games. Also Blizzard informed that all the matches from KeSPA after the end of August, 2010 will expire, so KeSPA will not be able to have any matches using Blizzard games, otherwise be sued by Blizzard. 24. KeSPA furiously reacted to the 'sudden' terms. (Actually, it seemed like threatenening Blizzard) 25. Ongamenet and MBC Game hurriedly tried to negotiate with GomTV 26. In fact, there's no difference for them because they are going to pay GomTV the same money which they've been paying to KeSPA. 27. The only weapon that KeSPA has now is progamer teams that belong to KeSPA. 28. KeSPA prohibited progamers (including SlayersBoxer and NaDa) from playing, or even trying, Starcraft 2. 29. Consequently, the current high ranking players are usually retired progamers and amateurs. 30. GomTV prepared for the broadcast of GSL(Global Starcraft 2 League). 31. The scale of the league surpassed by far that from KeSPA. 32. KeSPA is now trying some media manipulation saying bad things about Starcraft 2 33. Recently, KeSPA forced NaDa to quit playing during the Starcraft2 event match that was held in Germany. 34. KeSPA gave an excuse that it was because of a network problem. 35. KeSPA changed the excuse that NaDa had another event to attend to at that time. Most of these are known facts that have happend and are happening in Korea. I read the original version which was in Korean posted in Ruliweb.com and I got somewhat upset about the whole story, so i decided to trasnlate it into English so that many can learn about how KeSPA has been doing to fans, progamers, and Blizzard. |
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Sep 28 2010, 06:56 PM
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QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 28 2010, 06:33 PM) Do you think they would want to stop pro league and destroy its construction of the scene and jump on to sc2 ? NPO have no links to the government and is usually on a larger scale...They did not challenge blizzard they are just negotiating between them over the screening time of the games blizzards wants to take the prime slot of BW which is to kespa isn't possible at all cost.Show me a proof that Kespa is actually trying to acquire Blizzards IP if that is what you were saying . Exactly SC BW is the soul of Korea I don't think any one with a right mind would want to take off a sport which has been existing and money gobbling for 12 years hence no way Kespa is going to let go of BW. Added on September 28, 2010, 6:38 pm Kespa is funded by the Minister of cultural hence it isn't a body which sets up to be like other profitable organization. According to wiki definition of an NGO this does qualifies KESPA as a NGO as per requested by you to look at the definition . This thread says it all to all who thinks Kespa is a money making monster.... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=128517 as me (and quaz) said kespa is a NGO not a NPO as u claimed (and as u wiki-linked)... NPO are self sustained unlike NGO and are usually without backing except by users/ sponsors... there's a big difference between NGO and NPO... and NGO can also be profit driven as the government help to provide funds (up to a certain amount) but does not dictate what would the funds be used for (even if for profit)... if u want some example look at malaysia's FELDA with their own holdings etc... they can be profit driven... about the blizzard ip " KeSPA argueethat e-sports are like other sports such as basketball and soccer, and we don't pay money to the creator of the soccer ball for soccer games. Starcraft is for the public use like the soccer ball." This post has been edited by evofantasy: Sep 28 2010, 06:58 PM |
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Sep 28 2010, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 28 2010, 06:33 PM) Do you think they would want to stop pro league and destroy its construction of the scene and jump on to sc2 ? well heres the problem (partially my bad):They did not challenge blizzard they are just negotiating between them over the screening time of the games blizzards wants to take the prime slot of BW which is to kespa isn't possible at all cost.Show me a proof that Kespa is actually trying to acquire Blizzards IP if that is what you were saying . Exactly SC BW is the soul of Korea I don't think any one with a right mind would want to take off a sport which has been existing and money gobbling for 12 years hence no way Kespa is going to let go of BW. Added on September 28, 2010, 6:38 pm Kespa is funded by the Minister of cultural hence it isn't a body which sets up to be like other profitable organization. According to wiki definition of an NGO this does qualifies KESPA as a NGO as per requested by you to look at the definition . This thread says it all to all who thinks Kespa is a money making monster.... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=128517 you said they are a NPO, which is clearly not the case. and then even IF you meant it being NGO, according to your link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_e-Spor...ers_Association it DID NOT mention ANYTHING about kespa being funded totally OR partially by the korean government. so on BOTH accounts, you struck out. |
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Sep 28 2010, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 28 2010, 06:58 PM) well heres the problem (partially my bad): this answers your questionyou said they are a NPO, which is clearly not the case. and then even IF you meant it being NGO, according to your link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_e-Spor...ers_Association it DID NOT mention ANYTHING about kespa being funded totally OR partially by the korean government. so on BOTH accounts, you struck out. QUOTE Didn't KeSPA also seek profit seeking activities such as selling broadcasting rights? - KeSPA did not earn any profits from broadcasting rights. KeSPA is a cultural nonprofit corporation so it does not make profits. Any broadcasting fees are reinvested in whole to the operations of matches. - Every year KeSPA submits accounting reports to board of directors, and can make public any accounts regarding complete reinvestment of broadcasting fees. Source http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=128517 This post has been edited by Laguna: Sep 28 2010, 07:24 PM |
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Sep 28 2010, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 28 2010, 07:23 PM) that is a Q&A panel that can be sugar coated by kespa PR people. until theres more solid information such as TL wiki page, or wiki page, or information from korean govt, or their financial information, kespa can say ANYTHING they want to make themselves pretty in front of their fans. |
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Sep 28 2010, 07:34 PM
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There are rumors on Team Liquid that Proleague might be starting on October 16th 2010. Fingers cross on this one.
By the way, here is something to all of you SC II'ers: Rumor has it that Boxer is playing SC II casually and goes by the name "ManofOneway" with a winning rate of 65%. That's a pretty ridiculous nick-name but you gotta love boxer if it is indeed true! |
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Sep 28 2010, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 28 2010, 07:23 PM) Blizzard Responds to the Non-Disclosure AgreementWhile KeSPA has claimed that a NDA agreement does not exist, arguing that "KeSPA has never agreed to a NDA with Blizzard, and only kept the contents silent due to respect", and added "Blizzard criticizes KeSPA for breaking the NDA, but if there was an NDA, please reveal it to the public". Upon investigation, it was confirmed that KeSPA and Blizzard did sign a NDA agreement, signed by the previous Chairman of KeSPA. It is the situation where Blizzard owns the actual NDA document." A Blizzard Korea official stated that "We have NDA agreements even when we have press conferences. It makes no sense that we didn't have an NDA on such an important negotiation. We have NDA documents signed by the previous KeSPA chairman " Source: http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?i...47&category=102 the whole kespa is screwed part as i said is the IP rights issue... i dun see how kespa is non-profit when they are selling broadcasting rights using blizz's IP to "get $$$ to reinvest into the sport" Added on September 28, 2010, 7:35 pm QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 28 2010, 07:31 PM) that is a Q&A panel that can be sugar coated by kespa PR people. until theres more solid information such as TL wiki page, or wiki page, or information from korean govt, or their financial information, kespa can say ANYTHING they want to make themselves pretty in front of their fans. QnA made by kespa is lol...read the NDA which i've posted from the same link provided... this shows u how untrustable kespa is alone... This post has been edited by evofantasy: Sep 28 2010, 07:35 PM |
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Sep 28 2010, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 28 2010, 07:31 PM) that is a Q&A panel that can be sugar coated by kespa PR people. until theres more solid information such as TL wiki page, or wiki page, or information from korean govt, or their financial information, kespa can say ANYTHING they want to make themselves pretty in front of their fans. I for my honest believe that the Q&A was definitely it's truth despite of there chances of it being a money leeching organization thats the only source I currently was able to dig up and there's no 100% guarantee that any NGO Or NPO will be as it says that sticks to its ideal or what its PR speech maybe . I possibly have done all my can to say that Kespa is not as it what it seems as you all painted it to be a body that is trying to limit SC2 from growing and trying to steal the ip from blizzard . Guess these would be the last time of me replying to this thread as people believe that in order for sc2 to succeed bw mush be abolished from the scene of the earth. |
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Sep 28 2010, 07:37 PM
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QUOTE(Tsumi @ Sep 28 2010, 07:34 PM) There are rumors on Team Liquid that Proleague might be starting on October 16th 2010. Fingers cross on this one. during beta, his frens were confirmed to be playing the game and they did mention that boxer seemed interested in it but no news about it still...By the way, here is something to all of you SC II'ers: Rumor has it that Boxer is playing SC II casually and goes by the name "ManofOneway" with a winning rate of 65%. That's a pretty ridiculous nick-name but you gotta love boxer if it is indeed true! i highly doubt so atm... Added on September 28, 2010, 7:39 pm QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 28 2010, 07:36 PM) I for my honest believe that the Q&A was definitely it's truth despite of there chances of it being a money leeching organization thats the only source I currently was able to dig up and there's no 100% guarantee that any NGO Or NPO will be as it says that sticks to its ideal or what its PR speech maybe . I possibly have done all my can to say that Kespa is not as it what it seems as you all painted it to be a body that is trying to limit SC2 from growing and trying to steal the ip from blizzard . Guess these would be the last time of me replying to this thread as people believe that in order for sc2 to succeed bw mush be abolished from the scene of the earth. tell us how is kespa not trying to steal blizz's IP when they are selling broadcasting rights of blizz's game when they are not suppose to according to the NDA?regardless of the purpose, their mean is still and as i said IP issue is a big issue for IT people... This post has been edited by evofantasy: Sep 28 2010, 07:39 PM |
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Sep 28 2010, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 28 2010, 07:36 PM) I for my honest believe that the Q&A was definitely it's truth despite of there chances of it being a money leeching organization thats the only source I currently was able to dig up and there's no 100% guarantee that any NGO Or NPO will be as it says that sticks to its ideal or what its PR speech maybe . I possibly have done all my can to say that Kespa is not as it what it seems as you all painted it to be a body that is trying to limit SC2 from growing and trying to steal the ip from blizzard . Guess these would be the last time of me replying to this thread as people believe that in order for sc2 to succeed bw mush be abolished from the scene of the earth. LETS JUST SAY ITS 100% TRUTH. but look at what evo linked above, NDA. kespa violated it. would you trust someone that violates contractual agreements?also, on one hand you are OK with kespa having chances of being a money leeching organization so long they are being truthful (but they are not, mind you, with just the basis on top alone) and on the other, blizzard is a money leeching company and it is NOT ok regardless if they are being truthful or not? and here you are *SAYING* all goods about kespa and giving up on providing factual and solid sources while trying to convince people that kespa is all good and dandy while blizzard is the devil. do you realize what you are doing right there? if you dont, let me tell you: HYPOCRISY. and on that account, THINK about kespa's Q&A panel, and think about this for a brief moment: what if, blizzard never existed? kespa can be GODS for all i care, but the fact is blizzard MADE sc1. they OWN SC1. it is a SOFTWARE, and it is protected by INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS. whatever kespa did to made sc1 GOD MODE and ESPORT is moot point if there was NO SC1 to begin with. and just so you sc1 biased people like you know: no one (AT THE VERY LEAST ME) thinks that sc1/SC1BW/KESPA should be abolished/removed/destroyed from the face of the earth for SC2 to flourish/succeed. they can be there and do whatever they want for all I i care as my focus is sc2, NOT sc1/SC1BW |
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Sep 28 2010, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 28 2010, 07:47 PM) LETS JUST SAY ITS 100% TRUTH. but look at what evo linked above, NDA. kespa violated it. would you trust someone that violates contractual agreements? It is merely hypothetical I am suggesting they are corrupt but the possibility of them being not is quite high mind you no other pro gamers in the world earn as much as those who participated in sc bw tournament . Have there been any pro gamer in fps genre or any game genre earn as much as slayer boxer during his prime 1million won ? Being a pro gamer in Korea is a big issue and it's recognize as an occupation . Well you can stick to your sc2 and all your believes but what I am trying to say is that its not fair for Blizzard to come in and grab all the credentials just to ensure that's its bankrupt half baked game to be considered as an esport . When the original SC 1 came out it had already the option to choose 3 race to be played be it in the campaign or multiplayer and it wasn't completed and had a lot of flaws but with the expansion pack BW it made sc a much MORE balance game . I am not biased in any way what's disturbing me is that in order for succeed BW Must die for SC2 to be noticeable hence killing my proleague players of earning their bowl of soup of the day . Kespa has done a freaking good job in my book for it to bring e sports to this level of international awe to everyone to look back wards and say yeah at least e sport had its respect or closely made its popularity to a real SPORT .also, on one hand you are OK with kespa having chances of being a money leeching organization so long they are being truthful (but they are not, mind you, with just the basis on top alone) and on the other, blizzard is a money leeching company and it is NOT ok regardless if they are being truthful or not? and here you are *SAYING* all goods about kespa and giving up on providing factual and solid sources while trying to convince people that kespa is all good and dandy while blizzard is the devil. do you realize what you are doing right there? if you dont, let me tell you: HYPOCRISY. and on that account, THINK about kespa's Q&A panel, and think about this for a brief moment: what if, blizzard never existed? kespa can be GODS for all i care, but the fact is blizzard MADE sc1. they OWN SC1. it is a SOFTWARE, and it is protected by INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS. whatever kespa did to made sc1 GOD MODE and ESPORT is moot point if there was NO SC1 to begin with. and just so you sc1 biased people like you know: no one (AT THE VERY LEAST ME) thinks that sc1/SC1BW/KESPA should be abolished/removed/destroyed from the face of the earth for SC2 to flourish/succeed. they can be there and do whatever they want for all I i care as my focus is sc2, NOT sc1/SC1BW |
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Sep 28 2010, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 28 2010, 07:57 PM) It is merely hypothetical I am suggesting they are corrupt but the possibility of them being not is quite high mind you no other pro gamers in the world earn as much as those who participated in sc bw tournament . Have there been any pro gamer in fps genre or any game genre earn as much as slayer boxer during his prime 1million won ? Being a pro gamer in Korea is a big issue and it's recognize as an occupation . Well you can stick to your sc2 and all your believes but what I am trying to say is that its not fair for Blizzard to come in and grab all the credentials just to ensure that's its bankrupt half baked game to be considered as an esport . When the original SC 1 came out it had already the option to choose 3 race to be played be it in the campaign or multiplayer and it wasn't completed and had a lot of flaws but with the expansion pack BW it made sc a much MORE balance game . I am not biased in any way what's disturbing me is that in order for succeed BW Must die for SC2 to be noticeable hence killing my proleague players of earning their bowl of soup of the day . Kespa has done a freaking good job in my book for it to bring e sports to this level of international awe to everyone to look back wards and say yeah at least e sport had its respect or closely made its popularity to a real SPORT . well these players could actually go into sc2...we seen sc1 pros doing well (even sub-sc1 pros)... ITR just made it to the semis just now of the GSL... no doubt kespa did a good job but they started to think themselves as high and mighty... in the end of the day, there needs to be a balance of power... sc2 is doing very very well internationally... wut is e-sport when its confined to korea only? |
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Sep 28 2010, 08:04 PM
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QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 28 2010, 07:57 PM) It is merely hypothetical I am suggesting they are corrupt but the possibility of them being not is quite high mind you no other pro gamers in the world earn as much as those who participated in sc bw tournament . Have there been any pro gamer in fps genre or any game genre earn as much as slayer boxer during his prime 1million won ? Being a pro gamer in Korea is a big issue and it's recognize as an occupation . Well you can stick to your sc2 and all your believes but what I am trying to say is that its not fair for Blizzard to come in and grab all the credentials just to ensure that's its bankrupt half baked game to be considered as an esport . When the original SC 1 came out it had already the option to choose 3 race to be played be it in the campaign or multiplayer and it wasn't completed and had a lot of flaws but with the expansion pack BW it made sc a much MORE balance game . I am not biased in any way what's disturbing me is that in order for succeed BW Must die for SC2 to be noticeable hence killing my proleague players of earning their bowl of soup of the day . Kespa has done a freaking good job in my book for it to bring e sports to this level of international awe to everyone to look back wards and say yeah at least e sport had its respect or closely made its popularity to a real SPORT . bringing in pointers of how much sc1 pro gamers earn especially comparing them against FPS pro gamers is definitely irrelevant as sc2 is still new and there is no telling how much they can potentially earn. However, just from the prize pot GSL (mind you, the LARGEST prize pot so far in e-sport history EVER) is a good sign that sc2 is on the right track for any players to earn the most out of ANY e-sports game(which dun dun dun, include sc1).are you trying to argue fairness against LAW (read: IP) right here? lets be really realistic here: life aint f***ing fair. what blizzard do may be mean and bullshit, but sc1 is THEIR GAME, and they CAN do whatever they pretty much pleases with it. and to be REALLY honest, lets take out SC franchise for a moment: if blizzard is REALLY the mean ******* company they are claimed to be, Warcraft franchise, and diablo franchise, and ultimately the damn company, and Blizzcon, would not be what it is this very fine day. and just so your apparently unbiased self know: SC BW DONT have to die for SC2 to succeed, and YOU most certainly do NOT own those proleague players. their bowl of soup of the day is THEIR bowl of soup, NOT yours. |
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Sep 28 2010, 09:24 PM
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the IP negotiations has restarted and the pro-league mgiht go on
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=156559 |
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Sep 28 2010, 11:57 PM
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"Blizzard owns Starcraft 1 and Starcraft 2"
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Sep 29 2010, 10:17 AM
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I would rather see starcraft:brood war die to see migration swamp of people over, that the scene in sc2 would be more glorified and interesting
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Sep 29 2010, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Sep 29 2010, 10:17 AM) I would rather see starcraft:brood war die to see migration swamp of people over, that the scene in sc2 would be more glorified and interesting oh snaps |
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Sep 29 2010, 05:06 PM
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Oct 4 2010, 07:16 PM
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Oct 5 2010, 09:34 PM
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Oct 5 2010, 10:48 PM
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