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post Sep 17 2010, 10:42 AM, updated 16y ago

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earlier, we had news of julyzerg leaving sc1 for sc2 and now we have.........

NADA coming to sc2 by leaving wemadefox
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=153567

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update: JD is coming to sc2 soon
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=157873

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post Sep 17 2010, 06:06 PM

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lol wutever it is, GSL2010 has already proved that SC2 is already successful in korea...
with the 2nd GSL announced, SC2 has just gone so big...

and enuff wit the sc1bw > sc2 players...
the game is different ffs...
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post Sep 17 2010, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 06:13 PM)
so umm, you realize that sc2 players are also contracted which also means having a salary on top of whatever they may earn in tournaments (namely GSL) just exactly like SC1, right? lol.

and no, i most certainly did not claim that i know more than a korean in regards to sc or sc2, however whats clear is that sc1 is old, and sc2 is slowly/eventually (but surely, as we can see in GSL, and a huge MAJORITY of sc1 players moving on to sc2 as their contracts expire) replacing it. and kespa is dying thanks to blizzard.

let me ask you one golden question:

if SC1 is such a godlike game and it supersedes sc2 in whatever fashion you are claiming now, why are you having that sc2 signature? why play something that isnt as good (sc1) ?


Added on September 17, 2010, 6:13 pm

well its not on tv, how can sc2 be successful? sad.gif
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+1 for the bolded

USD 175k every 2 month (less actually) of prize payout excluding sponsors etc...
not to mention the GSL finals after 4 legs of GSLs...

just bored about rant 'sc1 players coming to sc2 are noobs cause they cant survive in sc1 anymore...
nada and july were one of the most successful sc1 player (nada still damn successful due to his wins) and sc1 fanboy regard them as noobs now?
do note nada is HIGHLY paid still but he chose to opt out of his contract...
he knows a dying game is dying...

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post Sep 17 2010, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 06:22 PM)
Huge majority by you mean tester, Iron, Idra and all the retired gamers? They almost accomplished nothing in their SC1 career that's why?

Here's Tester's SC1 track record
All:  45-69  (39.47%)

Here's Iron's Record (and yeah his real name is Jang Min Chul)
All:  1-9  (10.00%)

And Here's Idras Korean Record
All:  2-4  (33.33%)

You wonder why I'm playing SC2? Cause its a fun game? Yeah. Do I still play SC1? Yeah. Why I don't have a Iccup signature, cause I didn't make 1?
If you think GSL is successful, just look at the crowd, its not even half of an average proleague audience.

Both Nada and Julyzerg are burnout players, which basically means they have no more ability to compete with the average 20 year old player SC1 pro that probably is better than them in almost most of the time. Switching to SC2 was not a bad choice for them, but the last time I saw their team sent them out for a proleague game was probably 1 year ago.
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lol is sc1 the same game as sc2?
as if players can never improve LOL...
who knows tester just sucks wit sc1 bad AI LOL

GSL is even more popular than the proleague when u take into the account of foreign viewers LOL...
globalization dude...
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post Sep 17 2010, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 06:29 PM)
just as evo pointed above, sc1 and sc2 is a different game. what failed them on sc1 maybe what works for them in sc2. at the end of the day they are earning money. whats the problem then?

and what, sc2 is fun? in your earlier "reasons" on sc2 should be casuals first then esports, and most importantly being a fun game, isnt that whats being achieved for sc2? according to you, it did for you, no?

and why compare crowds on the studio when you know, its not even on television? GSL is now available world wide (for free too may i add, just on SD streams lawl) as opposed to previous "not so easy to acquire" korean pro leagues games. sure, sc2 may not be as winrar as sc1 was in *korea*, *YET*, but considering its scale on the global stage, AND the fact that it is and WILL eventually get pass sc1, who are you kidding lol. will YOU be playing sc1 for your entire life time? stick to 2D sprites for all eternity? the majority is answering no. you're playing sc2, i am playing sc2, i think we share that same answer to that.
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GSL was so popular that the official stream limit for it exceeded within the first few mintues...
not to mention thousands of viewers off various restream...
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post Sep 17 2010, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 06:43 PM)
Yeah and the fact that GSL is trying to kill the proleague as they are afraid of competition? Did you know that GomTV has been trying to forcefully shuting down the proleagues recently? I'm just disgusted by the fact that so many SC2 players are blinded by the fact that Gretech does not care about SC1 at all. So popular that the official stream limit exceeded its limit? Of course it exceeded its limit, its free.
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so wut if it is free?
it still measures the viewership...

i dun remember the figures for the paid USD20 services but it was pretty damn high (almost enough to cover the prize pool)...

tell me this, why WOULD U NOT WANNA KILL UR COMPETITION?
welcome to the real world...
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post Sep 17 2010, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 06:52 PM)
Of course, it means nothing to you, you never played brood war neither did you ever watched BW pro-gaming, which I did from the start. If Brood War was never popular and well organised by Kespa, do you think there would be GSL today?
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as i said, this is the real world...
there's no free food and i dun mind if GSL kill off kespa if GSL is doing a good job...
after all i am the end user only...
not to mention kespa's retarded claim on blizzard's IP...
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post Sep 17 2010, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 07:02 PM)
Blah Blah move on? What about all those progamers that trained like mad just to master SC1? You expect them to just move to SC2?

I'm also pretty surprised that they just launched the tourney just for the sake of money without even patching the game 1st and developing a better map pool, it just seems unprofessional to me.
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why not?
IEM, MLG all of these are highly successful...
wut can u expect from a few month old game sleep.gif'

tell me was sc1 in their early few months this successful? lots of map pool, heavily patched etc???

apparently nada and julyzerg moved on...
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post Sep 17 2010, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 07:09 PM)
why not?

its like in real life, a real job. a new software is released, employees are expected to adapt, or quit their job.
apply this to sc1 and sc2. you either move on and adapt, or stay behind get taken over.

you think RL would be so kind to wait for EVERYONE? oh hell no lol. then again i work in IT field, where its a battle field constantly as the market is too damn saturated lol. just like an engineer thats damn expert in windows XP. windows 7 is the current OS, and the company is moving forward for it. you think the company would not move on because their of their win xp pro engineer? no. the company would just reassign or fire that engineer, and hire someone thats pro at win7. thats a harsh reality of life.
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^ this
the good ones are able to adapt...
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post Sep 17 2010, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 07:17 PM)
At Ro32
There are only 6 zergs, 15 terrans and 11 tosses made it through

At the current state of the GSL, only a maximum number of 3 zergs will reach the ro16 coupled with the crappy maps. I'll say this GSL should have started after a few patches and a more balanced map pool.
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wut i mean is that the good sc1 players would be able to adapt into sc2...
i do agree about the terran imbalances when top the64 have mostly toss...

but again, MLG and IEM is successful...
in IEM zerg is 2nd and 3rd...
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post Sep 17 2010, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 07:27 PM)
It's because its not played at a higher level, once better players play it, you can see the difference when imbalances come in. I'm not saying the zerg players are awful, its just that I believe they should have launched this competition a bit later. You do have to realized that they are giving lots of money for a competition which was one sided in the first place.
Don't make silly comments, I don't respond to retards that post that way.
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well did u watch cool aka fruitester's game yesterday?
he beat the terran so convincingly and made it to ro16...
cool even said that idra is at the same level as him but 2 different playstyle...
so IEM is still high lvl in my books...

btw now check is doing very very well vs his terran opponent (justfake) who beat the escJung...
nvm that check jsut won LOL...
check 1-0 justfake now and ZvT is supposed to be freaking imbalanced lol

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post Sep 17 2010, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 07:32 PM)
But you do have to note that both OGszenio and Idra did not make it leaves only 3 zergs left. Somehow, I knew Idra would never make it, he just has nothing a good player would show.
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yes i do know as i have been livestreaming most of the matches (almost all in fact)...
idra lost is LOL...
he didnt scout enuff in game 3, bad unit compo etc...
he deserve the lost for being overconfident...
he played superbly game 1 and early in game 3 but again he made some crucial mistakes...
and idra not a good player? definitely better than any of us here...

but again, cool won 2-0 vs terran and check in 1-0 lead now...
its nt as imbalanced as it seems (though still imbalanced to me)...

btw u are always welcome to go terran thumbup.gif like dimaga...

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post Sep 17 2010, 07:53 PM

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guess wut?
checkprime (Z) 2-0 justfakewerra (T)
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post Sep 17 2010, 07:56 PM

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today's games pretty good especially hongunprime's one sided bashing of zenio...
known to have the superb PvZ its expected especially his phoenix control...
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post Sep 17 2010, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 08:00 PM)
Hongunprime is pretty good as a toss player, I've seen many replays where he expands and gets delayed phoenix which in one case even catches check off guard. Do note that check was a pretty darn good WC3 player before he swapped games.
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check in ro64 played horribly LOL...
btw check was the one who orchestra-ed idra's defeat...

wc3 players are so boring...
lots of all-in play into turtle...

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post Sep 17 2010, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Sep 17 2010, 08:20 PM)
The WC3 scene is pretty bleak right now, but I still respect the players a lot, many of them are moving to SC2 which I'm really kinda sad about it.

Grubby Commentates

You can watch some recent good games here with grubby commentating.

Here's and excerpt from Idra's match against random chinese dude
He loses 5-2 and replies
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wc3 players who got into sc2 u can see all their style are so similar (especially werra players)...
same as root gaming from the US/EU scene...


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post Sep 22 2010, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(tatyinw @ Sep 22 2010, 04:49 PM)
There was still quite a lot of problems when CS Source came out.
Though valve have continuously patched it to make it better. smile.gif
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thing is unlike CS source, SC2 is widely popular worldwide
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post Sep 27 2010, 06:22 PM

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superb play by intotherainbow (intotherain in sc1) with superb drops...
definitely copied from his famous sc1 reaver play LOL...

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post Sep 27 2010, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 27 2010, 06:34 PM)
i dont know man, compared to STC (who won against tester...) kinda pales. but still... STILL. wtf checkprime
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hmmm i feel rainbow better than stc...
rainbow ensnare and clide are the 3 best terrans imho now
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post Sep 27 2010, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 27 2010, 06:50 PM)
speaking of ensnare, i think anypro being owned on the 2 colo changed the entire shit completely. the 2 colo COULD've changed the outcome despite the income advantage. but oh wells. 2 free colo gone.
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ensnare almsot lost it but mule spam saved him sleep.gif"

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