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SC1 pros coming to SC2 (recently JD), KESPA is screwed

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MYNAMEISJASON	Sep 17 2010, 02:18 PM Return to original view \| Post #1
Getting Started Junior Member 107 posts Joined: Aug 2006	As nice at it seems, these players are really old and cannot afford to compete with the younger SC1 players, that is the reason they decided to switch to SC2.
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MYNAMEISJASON	Sep 17 2010, 02:31 PM Return to original view \| Post #2
Getting Started Junior Member 107 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 02:26 PM) if thats a valid reason, what makes you think they can survive against the younger generations of sc2? (notice that majority of SC2 players at GSL are REALLY young. one as young as 13 year old.) Because the younger players were never real progamers or either B-teamers that never made it big. Even at his twilight years, nada can still head to head with an average starcraft 1 pro with a decent chance of winning, but against the slightly above average players, he never really stood a chance. He'll still beat an average B-teamer without much effort though.
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MYNAMEISJASON	Sep 17 2010, 04:05 PM Return to original view \| Post #3
Getting Started Junior Member 107 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 02:35 PM) a huge majority of the GSL players are progamers with valid contracts/sponsors. my main point is still this: sc2 is the new game and is better than sc1 in so many aspects. one can argue that sc2 is easier to play with better AI and automations (like how workers are completely retarded in mining, or unit pathing/targeting) etc, however that in my (and many others and even the majority of progamers) opinion does not make the game any easier because instead of managing "trivial" issues, you can move on into dealing with greater strategic/tactical heights. many of the "odd"/"insane" strats you see in sc2 are not even "viable" in sc1 due to the nature of the game, be it the unit pathing, or even "not able to micro" because you're probably stuck at managing other stuff like manual spider mining in vultures for example instead of nowdays all you do is shift queue command. tldr: sc1 is old and people should move on already (which they are, and kespa is pretty much ggkthxbainore. SC1 has the Korean Air sponsoring them at their back and the top player earned 500K USD$ (not including salary and advertising) this year due to his outstanding performance and what do you mean by odd/insane starts not viable in SC1, those SC1 progamers have easily 200+ to 400 apm average and can do what they want to achieve, its just that playing solidly without silly gimmicks proves to be better in so many ways. And whats with manually spider mining, it isn't even hard and even I can do it while managing my tanks and my econ at the same time . You probably think starcraft 2 is doing well in Korea, that however is not the case as it did not even reach the top 10 charts (not even the top 20) and is even beaten by a Counter Strike clone called sudden attack and PC bangs in Korea are still filled with people playing every other game except SC2. Blizzard still has a long long way to go if they even want to make SC2 a successful E-sports and they just blew plenty of good choices they could have made when game was designed. This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Sep 17 2010, 04:11 PM
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MYNAMEISJASON	Sep 17 2010, 05:15 PM Return to original view \| Post #4
Getting Started Junior Member 107 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 04:18 PM) thats all pretty much covered on that "scfacts.jpg" and yes i do know a bit of sc2 history with wiki pages/team liquid wiki/even natgeo covered it. fact: sc1 apm meters takes account into a lot of redundant movements while sc2 doesnt more facts: most pro korean sc1 players can achieve 400-500+ apm, even one guy (on youtube, cant remember him though lol) having as much as 800+ while for sc2, they only got 300-400+ maxed. some of them who transitioned from sc1 -> 2 also achieved lower apm, and as people did pointed out that apm thread - apm is not the be all end all in sc2. (it could be the case for sc1, however in sc2 it definitely isnt) so tell me, would manual spamming spider mines, as compared to sc2's intelligent casting/command queueing, which is easier? and which you may prefer? if you still stick with sc1, to each its own i guess. and no, i definitely did not think sc2 is doing better than sc1 in korea for many reasons. amongst them, no doubt, sc1 played an important role in reviving s.korea's dying economy way back in the 1990's, achieving its revered status, and of course lolkespa, which is pretty much dying now anyways. however, think about this: sc2 is already having the most prize pot in ANY esport game TO DATE (AFAIK, do correct me if im wrong. and the money http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL 170k with first place at 85k usd, nothing to date, again, afaik, is even close to that) . surpassing world of warcraft/warcraft3/ and of course, starcraft 1. that is something to think about. Here's a list of reasons of what is going on with SC2 in Korea by a Teamliquid south korean veteran named Mr. Hoon » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE SC2 in Korea, how big is it? I'll say it straight up; Korea does not find SC2 interesting or even appealing. To explain how much they don't care, SC2 is losing to a fake ass Counter Strike copy called 'Sudden Attack'. But why? How can the successor to Starcraft Brood War not be hitting #1 charts in Korea? There are a few MANY reasons why SC2 is failing so hard. Numero Uno” : Blizzard's bad decision As some of you know SC2 PR in Korea is huge. If you go to central seoul, almost every electronic billboard has their own “SC2” time. There are posters everywhere and every single bus has a huge SC2 logo painted onto it. Blizzard seems like they just flew a plane straight through seoul and bombarded seoul with SC2 Stickers. Blizzard is just all-inning PR in Korea in hopes of getting it through people. I guarantee you if Blizzard did this to any other country in the world, everyone would buy it. But not Korea... Why? Blizzard does NOT understand how large of an impact Kespa has over the Korean community. Blizzard's split between Kespa was their first biggest mistake. Look I know how we all hate Kespa for being stupid and all, but seriously guys? Starcraft is ONLY 10 years old. For a sport to have such a pillar like Kespa is an amazing feat. Deny all you want, but Kespa knows how to do their job. Every sport has their sacrifices, don't be a 12 year old ragging idiot to not admit to this. Kespa has run the SC scene for 10 years, and yes there were some hiccups, but overall it went smoothly. For a company who made a sprite based RTS into an Esport, you have to give these guys credit. So Blizzard pisses Kespa off and now they're partnering with GOMTV... Haha... Hey remember when Atari made the Jaguar to compete with Super Nintendo and the Sega Genesis? GOMTV is the Atari Jaguar of Korea, they suck and I'm sorry if you feel bad about it. Number Two” : The PR that goes nowhere As I said in Numero Uno, the PR is huge in Korea. But if it's so large, why isn't it popular? I'll draw a comic for you guys because it's better explained with a picture than words. Blizzard may have gotten the internet journalists, buildings and even the streets of Korea filled with SC2, but they failed to acquire the most important one of them all; television. Believe it or not folks, GOMTV is not actually a TV Number Three” : ”What? I have to buy a goddamn computer?!” Some of you might not know, Koreans are one of the most computer illiterate people on Earth. One of the other reasons why SC Brood War was able to succeed was because it could literally run on any goddamn computer. Seriously, I ran SC BW on my f*ing pentium 2, that's saying something. Koreans, being asian (hurr hurr) live in a strict and contained environment from their parents (most do, not all). Now imagine you being a 16 year old Korean, you want to play SC2 but your once in a lifetime college exam which will dictate how you will live for the rest of your lives is coming up and you can't asking your mom for money to play 'games' and you can't go out and get a job because you'll fail your tests. All you have is this shitty ass dell clone laptop made in Korea; what can you do? Okay how about this, you're a College student in Korea, you finally have free time haha wait nevermind you don't have free time either. You're going through rigorous Korean education which seems to go nowhere and in a couple of months you're going to get conscripted to the Army. The money you earn from your 'job' all goes to your College funds and in the end you're living a shittastic life. “Hey Americans get Student Discount? … Wait, what's a student discount?” Shit man Koreans don't even know what that word means. So where can they buy a computer? Oh right their parents can buy him one. Sure some dudes will get money from their parents, but what about the ones who don't? Starcraft 2 is just not as accessible as it was compared to BW. Let's be honest, who the f* wants to play games in Low Quality textures? Sure I had to play in Low Quality but that's because my computer sucks and can't even run f*ing WoW properly. I'm not trying to criticize Blizzard for having 'superior' graphics. Blizzard did a great job with graphics, it's just that the majority of Koreans weren't (still aren't) prepared for it. Number Four” : ”GOMTV > Kespa/OGN/MBC... Seriously Blizzard?” I'm going to just say this straight up GOMTV sucks. They're bad, they know how to run tourneys just as much as Blizzard knows how to not f* up. Some GOMtv Fanboy: BUT MISTERHOON THAT PRIZEPOOL IS $500,000!!!!!!!!! So more money = better? By that logic GOM Classic would've overthrown OGN and MBCgame long ago. The only reason why GOM Classic was so good was because Tasteless is a f*ing baller who made the whole thing fun. But enough of that, let's talk about why GOMTV sucks. 1) Nobody cares about GOMTV in Korea Gomtv is just as popular as Tom Greens show after he got washed up. I know GOMtv is doing their best to make esports work but nobody can deny that they just suck. But what's so bad about them? What makes them so unappealing to Koreans? 2) The Korean Commentators for GOMTV are terrible. Like, Dane Cook Bad. The Korean Commentators are just brutal to your ears. You guys are fortunate you don't have to listen to that crap but they just made the whole series unbearable. As most of you know in Korea, Commentators is what saves the game at times. Actually hell man, in every sport commentators is what makes the game so much more bearable. The GOMTV commentators just doesn't cut it. Yes I know some of the Commentators of GOMTV were EX-OGN commentators. But think about it, if they were good, they wouldn't be EX-OGN Commentators would they? They are bland, they have no character, and the woman commentator has the most nasally voice ever which is a turnoff. So basically Blizzard partnered with a company who has lots of money but nobody watches... I know blizzard already is Activision's little b but at this point I don't think it would hurt to have another pimp (kespa). Number Five” : Everyone in Korea are casual gamers. Most of you new guys come from kotaku, destructoid, gamefaqs, ign, gametrailers, something awful and hell even 4chan. But one of the most common misconceptions foreign gamers have about Korean gamers is that “Koreans are all Hardcore players” This is false in every way possible. Gaming in Korea is not a hobby, but a culture. People in Korea play games to relieve stress because they already drink and smoke a lot. Many people in Korea play games to enjoy not win. What Blizzard is doing is shoving ESPORTS down Korea (and everywhere else)'s throat not gaming. The order should not be Esport → Everyone get's all competitive → Even my mom plays SC2! NO! It should be the other fing way around Even my mom plays SC2! → Everyone get's all competitive → ESPORTSSSSSSSSS When Blizzard said they were aiming for Esports, I knew this game wouldn't do AS well. How can a game be A+++++++ BW quality when they aim for Esports instead of game quality? When you go to Korea and tell a bunch of casual gamers who played games for fun that 'this is the best new competitive game ever and your blood will boil', who the f would buy it? Number Six” : Lan Cafe Scenario 1 Friend 1: Hey dude you wanna play SC2? I heard it's pretty sweet Friend 2: Oh cool let's check it out man Friend 1: oh you need a battle.net account to play Friend 2: uhh okay np man Friend 1: Also you need to register using your Korean Social Security Number and your phone to activate your account Friend 2: No worries I have both Friend 1: Yeah and since we can't play on Lan we have to go to battlenet Friend 2: Oh okay it's cool man Friend 3: HEY GUYS I LEFT MY SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER AT HOME Friend 1: Aww really? Oh well let's play some Brood War Friend 2: WOOHOO This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON**: Sep 17 2010, 05:16 PM
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MYNAMEISJASON	Sep 17 2010, 06:00 PM Return to original view \| Post #5
Getting Started Junior Member 107 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 05:19 PM) you just posted someone's PERSONAL rant/opinion instead of a "list of reasons" and believe it or not, money drives esport, without money there is no esport. sc2 has the most of that. and heh koreans are computer illiterate. cant say i didnt got a good laugh out of that s98HsCQf5ec#t=2m10s&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/s98HsCQf5ec#t=2m10s&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> Watch from 2:10 tx3ioMvtLCU?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/tx3ioMvtLCU?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> Watch from 6:30 If you think money is what that drives esports, SC2 would still probably be behind as all proteams main players are payed a monthly salary, coupled with Korean Air + MBC game sponsors. (The last OSL was even played at Shanghai) You think you know more than a Korean that has been a moderator in teamliquid for more than 5 years? Think again. This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Sep 17 2010, 06:07 PM
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MYNAMEISJASON	Sep 17 2010, 06:22 PM Return to original view \| Post #6
Getting Started Junior Member 107 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 06:13 PM) so umm, you realize that sc2 players are also contracted which also means having a salary on top of whatever they may earn in tournaments (namely GSL) just exactly like SC1, right? lol. and no, i most certainly did not claim that i know more than a korean in regards to sc or sc2, however whats clear is that sc1 is old, and sc2 is slowly/eventually (but surely, as we can see in GSL, and a huge MAJORITY of sc1 players moving on to sc2 as their contracts expire) replacing it. and kespa is dying thanks to blizzard. let me ask you one golden question: if SC1 is such a godlike game and it supersedes sc2 in whatever fashion you are claiming now, why are you having that sc2 signature? why play something that isnt as good (sc1) ? Added on September 17, 2010, 6:13 pm well its not on tv, how can sc2 be successful? Huge majority by you mean tester, Iron, Idra and all the retired gamers? They almost accomplished nothing in their SC1 career that's why? Here's Tester's SC1 track record All: 45-69 (39.47%) Here's Iron's Record (and yeah his real name is Jang Min Chul) All: 1-9 (10.00%) And Here's Idras Korean Record All: 2-4 (33.33%) You wonder why I'm playing SC2? Cause its a fun game? Yeah. Do I still play SC1? Yeah. Why I don't have a Iccup signature, cause I didn't make 1? If you think GSL is successful, just look at the crowd, its not even half of an average proleague audience. Both Nada and Julyzerg are burnout players, which basically means they have no more ability to compete with the average 20 year old player SC1 pro that probably is better than them in almost anyway. Switching to SC2 was not a bad choice for them, but the last time I saw their team sent them out for a proleague game was probably 1 year ago. This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Sep 17 2010, 06:28 PM
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MYNAMEISJASON	Sep 17 2010, 06:43 PM Return to original view \| Post #7
Getting Started Junior Member 107 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 17 2010, 06:32 PM) GSL was so popular that the official stream limit for it exceeded within the first few mintues... not to mention thousands of viewers off various restream... Yeah and the fact that GSL is trying to kill the proleague as they are afraid of competition? Did you know that GomTV has been trying to forcefully shut down the proleagues recently? I'm just disgusted by the fact that so many SC2 players are blinded by the fact that Gretech does not care about SC1 at all. So popular that the official stream limit exceeded its limit? Of course it exceeded its limit, its free. This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Sep 17 2010, 06:46 PM
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MYNAMEISJASON	Sep 17 2010, 06:52 PM Return to original view \| Post #8
Getting Started Junior Member 107 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 06:48 PM) - why blame gom tv when blizzard already ruled out that no sc1 leagues after august unless its authorized by them? - because gretech knows where to utilize its assets? eg: spending on a game that is current and not a game that is 12 years ago - his point was that many people are watching it, and if its exceeded limit, theres always re-streams. QUOTE so wut if it is free? it still measures the viewership... i dun remember the figures for the paid USD20 services but it was pretty damn high (almost enough to cover the prize pool)... tell me this, why WOULD U NOT WANNA KILL UR COMPETITION? welcome to the real world... Of course, it means nothing to you, you never played brood war neither did you ever watched BW pro-gaming, which I did from the start. If Brood War was never popular and well organised by Kespa, do you think there would be GSL today?
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MYNAMEISJASON	Sep 17 2010, 07:02 PM Return to original view \| Post #9
Getting Started Junior Member 107 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 06:55 PM) and you KNOW i never played brood war nor have i never watched BW pro-gaming? wwwwwwwwwwwwwww ah, the good old days of LAN (wwwww) and UDP packet bnet. it doesnt matter if kespa or god friggin made sc1 what it is today, it is CLEAR that Starcraft belongs to blizzard and they are free to do w/e the f* they want with it and not what kespa claimed that sc is a damn football and it should be free. no blizzard NO STARCRAFT. end of story. point was CLEAR that its time to move on. be it from blizzard, or from the majority of CASUALS and FANS. or myself, or the people posting in this sub forum or even YOU, who plays SC2 Blah Blah move on? What about all those progamers that trained like mad just to master SC1? You expect them to just move to SC2? I'm also pretty surprised that they just launched the tourney just for the sake of money without even patching the game 1st and developing a better map pool, it just seems unprofessional to me. This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON**: Sep 17 2010, 07:07 PM
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MYNAMEISJASON	Sep 17 2010, 07:11 PM Return to original view \| Post #10
Getting Started Junior Member 107 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 07:09 PM) why not? its like in real life, a real job. a new software is released, employees are expected to adapt, or quit their job. apply this to sc1 and sc2. you either move on and adapt, or stay behind get taken over. you think RL would be so kind to wait for EVERYONE? oh hell no lol. then again i work in IT field, where its a battle field constantly as the market is too damn saturated lol. just like an engineer thats damn expert in windows XP. windows 7 is the current OS, and the company is moving forward for it. you think the company would not move on because their of their win xp pro engineer? no. the company would just reassign or fire that engineer, and hire someone thats pro at win7. thats a harsh reality of life. The difference is the last patch on balance that was ever needed for SC1 was already applied before SC1 progaming started, just look at the balance and players qualifying GSL now.
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MYNAMEISJASON	Sep 17 2010, 07:17 PM Return to original view \| Post #11
Getting Started Junior Member 107 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 17 2010, 07:11 PM) ^ this the good ones are able to adapt... At Ro32 There are only 6 zergs, 15 terrans and 11 tosses made it through At the current state of the GSL, only a maximum number of 3 zergs will reach the ro16 coupled with the crappy maps. I'll say this GSL should have started after a few patches and a more balanced map pool. This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Sep 17 2010, 07:19 PM
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MYNAMEISJASON	Sep 17 2010, 07:27 PM Return to original view \| Post #12
Getting Started Junior Member 107 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 17 2010, 07:22 PM) wut i mean is that the good sc1 players would be able to adapt into sc2... i do agree about the terran imbalances when top the64 have mostly toss... but again, MLG and IEM is successful... in IEM zerg is 2nd and 3rd... It's because its not played at a higher level, once better players play it, you can see the difference when imbalances come in. I'm not saying the zerg players are awful, its just that I believe they should have launched this competition a bit later. You do have to realized that they are giving lots of money for a competition which was one sided in the first place. QUOTE you wanna look back at SC1 vanilla way back when it was 2 months old? esport for sc1 doesnt even exist back then during that time ROFL. THATS your comparison Don't make silly comments, I don't respond to retards that post that way.
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MYNAMEISJASON	Sep 17 2010, 07:32 PM Return to original view \| Post #13
Getting Started Junior Member 107 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 17 2010, 07:29 PM) well did u watch cool aka fruitester's game yesterday? he beat the terran so convincingly and made it to ro16... cool even said that idra is at the same level as him but 2 different playstyle... so IEM is still high lvl in my books... btw now check is doing very very well vs his terran opponent (justfake) who beat the escJung... But you do have to note that both OGszenio and Idra did not make it leaves only 3 zergs left. Somehow, I knew Idra would never make it, he just has nothing a good player would show. This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Sep 17 2010, 07:34 PM
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MYNAMEISJASON	Sep 17 2010, 07:36 PM Return to original view \| Post #14
Getting Started Junior Member 107 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 17 2010, 07:31 PM) if zerg suck, DONT play zerg. play another race and ADAPT. and hell, YOU'RE THE ONE thats been comparing BOTH GAMES till NO END when it comes to esport. and i make ONE comparison on that post and im suddenly a retard now? good going right thar take a pick: compare or not to compare sc1 and sc2. make up your damn mind. ps: you just responded to me anyways. Did Blizzard launch a tourney for SC1 when it was launched? No? Why? Because of money, there was no esports that time. Idra a good player? Come on, He's arrogant like anything. Thinks he all mighty and views himself as the best foreigner, and during the broodwar times he even boasted that he would take down a China zerg player in a clean sweep. Guess what, he got trashed pretty badly. After that game, all he made was excuses and wonder why he never made it into the CJ entus main squad for even a single appearance during his entire career as a progamer. And the thread title is also super misleading, Kespa is screwed....because Nada goes to sc2? This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Sep 17 2010, 07:46 PM
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MYNAMEISJASON	Sep 17 2010, 07:56 PM Return to original view \| Post #15
Getting Started Junior Member 107 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 17 2010, 07:53 PM) guess wut? checkprime (Z) 2-0 justfakewerra (T) Wow, 2 zergs made it through, lets see if the last one can make it.
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MYNAMEISJASON	Sep 17 2010, 08:00 PM Return to original view \| Post #16
Getting Started Junior Member 107 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 17 2010, 07:56 PM) today's games pretty good especially hongunprime's one sided bashing of zenio... known to have the superb PvZ its expected especially his phoenix control... Hongunprime is pretty good as a toss player, I've seen many replays where he expands and gets delayed phoenix which in one case even catches check off guard. Do note that check was a pretty darn good WC3 player before he swapped games.
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MYNAMEISJASON	Sep 17 2010, 08:20 PM Return to original view \| Post #17
Getting Started Junior Member 107 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 17 2010, 08:02 PM) check in ro64 played horribly LOL... btw check was the one who orchestra-ed idra's defeat... wc3 players are so boring... lots of all-in play into turtle... The WC3 scene is pretty bleak right now, but I still respect the players a lot, many of them are moving to SC2 which I'm really kinda sad about it. Grubby Commentates You can watch some recent good games here with grubby commentating. Here's and excerpt from Idra's match against random chinese dude QUOTE I'm very confident. Korean Zerg strategies are ahead of foreign Zergs by about 1-2 years, and foreign ZvT also develops very slowly. I think TvZ is my strongest matchup. I predict I will go 6-1 or 5-2; there are a few maps that are very suited to early rushes, very suitable to his [F91’s] style, so I might lose two games. He loses 5-2 and replies QUOTE why are you pretending you know anything about starcraft? raid assault is covered in narrow passages and high grounds and has a very short rush distance through the center, as well as high ground immediately outside the natural. it also has a total of 2 gas expos outside the mains and naturals, both of which are near impossible to defend vs drops. as such if zerg lets terran get into the mid/long game in good shape, they are going to lose. with 3 hatch the only real option is a 3 hat lurk ling allin to try to abuse the back way, thats quite risky in itself but he wasnt even going 3 hat lair. however, the natural and main are very far apart, there is a cliff over the natural, and the main's min line is backed up against water. this makes 2 hat muta exceptionally good. this means that an intelligent zerg will go 2 hatch, my build was designed to take advantage of that and so lost because he went 3 hatch. going 3 hatch is utterly retarded for the reasons i just explained so yes i did lose because he did something dumb.
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MYNAMEISJASON	Sep 27 2010, 03:52 PM Return to original view \| Post #18
Getting Started Junior Member 107 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 27 2010, 12:32 PM) >Joined: Aug 2010 heh. btw, rather just Korean court, international law/court may be involved too since dun dun dun, Blizzard is from USA I like how you diss on new members, you're an absolute jerk
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