if thats a valid reason, what makes you think they can survive against the younger generations of sc2? (notice that majority of SC2 players at GSL are REALLY young. one as young as 13 year old.)

a huge majority of the GSL players are progamers with valid contracts/sponsors.

my main point is still this: sc2 is the new game and is better than sc1 in so many aspects. one can argue that sc2 is easier to play with better AI and automations (like how workers are completely retarded in mining, or unit pathing/targeting) etc, however that in my (and many others and even the majority of progamers) opinion does not make the game any easier because instead of managing "trivial" issues, you can move on into dealing with greater strategic/tactical heights.

many of the "odd"/"insane" strats you see in sc2 are not even "viable" in sc1 due to the nature of the game, be it the unit pathing, or even "not able to micro" because you're probably stuck at managing other stuff like manual spider mining in vultures for example instead of nowdays all you do is shift queue command.

tldr: sc1 is old and people should move on already (which they are, and kespa is pretty much ggkthxbainore.

okay old timer.

thats all pretty much covered on that "scfacts.jpg" and yes i do know a bit of sc2 history with wiki pages/team liquid wiki/even natgeo covered it.

fact: sc1 apm meters takes account into a lot of redundant movements while sc2 doesnt

more facts: most pro korean sc1 players can achieve 400-500+ apm, even one guy (on youtube, cant remember him though lol) having as much as 800+ while for sc2, they only got 300-400+ maxed. some of them who transitioned from sc1 -> 2 also achieved lower apm, and as people did pointed out that apm thread - apm is not the be all end all in sc2. (it *could* be the case for sc1, however in sc2 it definitely isnt)

so tell me, would manual spamming spider mines, as compared to sc2's intelligent casting/command queueing, which is easier? and which you may prefer? if you still stick with sc1, to each its own i guess.

and no, i definitely did not think sc2 is doing better than sc1 in korea for many reasons. amongst them, no doubt, sc1 played an important role in reviving s.korea's dying economy way back in the 1990's, achieving its revered status, and of course lolkespa, which is pretty much dying now anyways. however, think about this: sc2 is already having the most prize pot in ANY esport game TO DATE (AFAIK, do correct me if im wrong. and the money http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL 170k with first place at 85k usd, nothing to date, again, afaik, is even close to that) . surpassing world of warcraft/warcraft3/ and of course, starcraft 1. that is something to think about.

you just posted someone's PERSONAL rant/opinion instead of a "list of reasons"
and believe it or not, money drives esport, without money there is no esport. sc2 has the most of that.

and heh koreans are computer illiterate. cant say i didnt got a good laugh out of that

so umm, you realize that sc2 players are also contracted which also means having a salary on top of whatever they may earn in tournaments (namely GSL) just exactly like SC1, right? lol.

and no, i most certainly did not claim that i know more than a korean in regards to sc or sc2, however whats clear is that sc1 is old, and sc2 is slowly/eventually (but surely, as we can see in GSL, and a huge MAJORITY of sc1 players moving on to sc2 as their contracts expire) replacing it. and kespa is dying thanks to blizzard.

let me ask you one golden question:

if SC1 is such a godlike game and it supersedes sc2 in whatever fashion you are claiming now, why are you having that sc2 signature? why play something that isnt as good (sc1) ?

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Added on September 17, 2010, 6:13 pmwell its not on tv, how can sc2 be successful?

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 17 2010, 06:13 PM

just as evo pointed above, sc1 and sc2 is a different game. what failed them on sc1 maybe what works for them in sc2. at the end of the day they are earning money. whats the problem then?

and what, sc2 is fun? in your earlier "reasons" on sc2 should be casuals first then esports, and most importantly being a fun game, isnt that whats being achieved for sc2? according to you, it did for you, no?

and why compare crowds on the studio when you know, its not even on television? GSL is now available world wide (for free too may i add, just on SD streams lawl) as opposed to previous "not so easy to acquire" korean pro leagues games. sure, sc2 may not be as winrar as sc1 was in *korea*, *YET*, but considering its scale on the global stage, AND the fact that it is and WILL eventually get pass sc1, who are you kidding lol. will YOU be playing sc1 for your entire life time? stick to 2D sprites for all eternity? the majority is answering no. you're playing sc2, i am playing sc2, i think we share that same answer to that.

- why blame gom tv when blizzard already ruled out that no sc1 leagues after august unless its authorized by them?

- because gretech knows where to utilize its assets? eg: spending on a game that is current and not a game that is 12 years ago

- his point was that many people are watching it, and if its exceeded limit, theres always re-streams.

and you KNOW i never played brood war nor have i never watched BW pro-gaming? wwwwwwwwwwwwwww
ah, the good old days of LAN (wwwww) and UDP packet bnet.

it doesnt matter if kespa or god friggin made sc1 what it is today, it is CLEAR that Starcraft belongs to blizzard and they are free to do w/e the f*** they want with it and not what kespa claimed that sc is a damn football and it should be free. no blizzard NO STARCRAFT. end of story.

point was CLEAR that its time to move on. be it from blizzard, or from the majority of CASUALS and FANS. or myself, or the people posting in this sub forum or even YOU, who plays SC2

why not?

its like in real life, a real job. a new software is released, employees are expected to adapt, or quit their job.
apply this to sc1 and sc2. you either move on and adapt, or stay behind get taken over.

you think RL would be so kind to wait for EVERYONE? oh hell no lol. then again i work in IT field, where its a battle field constantly as the market is too damn saturated lol. just like an engineer thats damn expert in windows XP. windows 7 is the current OS, and the company is moving forward for it. you think the company would not move on because their of their win xp pro engineer? no. the company would just reassign or fire that engineer, and hire someone thats pro at win7. thats a harsh reality of life.

you wanna look back at SC1 vanilla way back when it was 2 months old? esport for sc1 doesnt even exist back then during that time ROFL. THATS your comparison

if zerg suck, DONT play zerg. play another race and ADAPT.

and hell, YOU'RE THE ONE thats been comparing BOTH GAMES till NO END when it comes to esport. and i make ONE comparison on that post and im suddenly a retard now? good going right thar

take a pick: compare or not to compare sc1 and sc2. make up your damn mind.

ps: you just responded to me anyways.

imo someone's just bitter that zherk suck and now shifts the entire thread to balance issue wwwwwwww

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Added on September 17, 2010, 7:35 pmyou're saying idra is a bad player now? oh wow lol

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 17 2010, 07:35 PM

you dont get it, do you? lol.

>Joined: Aug 2010
heh.

btw, rather just Korean court, international law/court may be involved too since dun dun dun, Blizzard is from USA

tell me something i do not know

which chinese pancakes you're talking about?

i dont know man, compared to STC (who won against tester...) kinda pales. but still... STILL. wtf checkprime

speaking of ensnare, i think anypro being owned on the 2 colo changed the entire shit completely. the 2 colo COULD've changed the outcome despite the income advantage. but oh wells. 2 free colo gone.

marine spam, VR, banshee. meh terran meh.