Well i have to disagree Nada was a top player during brood war prime hence seeing him in the state now which he's only used when needed  and merely as a back up player for we made fox team is sad ,So the news of him going to SC2 is definitely a surplus rather than a deficit . Besides that having july (fantaprime nick in sc2 )and nada in sc2 only makes my heart cringe because finally we get to see some KOREAN POWER unleashed in sc2 rather than foreigners. There are rumors that the legendary King of terran aka Slayers Boxer may be making the switch too .Kespa's not screwed but I am happy for an Old bw fan like because I am able to see these once feared pro gamer rise in to the scene again with his fast hands and god like micro . Long live BW

which chinese pancakes you're talking about?

you know ... err "bhang chang kuah" (hokkien). The brown pancakes that comes with nuts and corn.

the one you can usually see at pasar malam too?

think so lol. Should have use some other better comparison

its folded one right?  if thats the one, i didnt realize theres a thick/thin version lol

Folded one is the thin one. The fatter one is the classic one

well he is the team leader of wemadefox actually and he was earning 6 figures per year before quiting for sc2 (gotta admire his guts for that)...
he is already top20 in the korean ladder btw...
kespa is screwed when they tried to rip off blizz's IP which backfired...

as for old sc1btw pros, we have rainbow already rocking over here =p

Well six figures yes but i guess he still can be called an image of what resemble we made fox and if you check his ranking in team liquid he isn't at the top ranking any more like he use to be as stated in here http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players it merely shows his ELO rating (his previous points collected ) which never changes through time but if nada were to be put out into the fray with the young guns he cant make it as they are much faster and meaner obviously many out there will tear him apart as the top ace from KT (FLAsh ) Hwazeun Oz  (Jaedong ) and many more could out gunned him easily. Besides all that like i said in my previous post its a good news for NAda .

Kespa isn't screwed for that i know because as a striving Non profit organization which actually cared about their players and provide at least a reasonable pay cheque for the Pro league players they have actually done a good job in making Broodwar an E SPORT event with all their fundings and Companies sponsorship .

Kespa isn't the one who stole Blizzard IP it actually promoted Starcraft to where it stands now as a recognized e sport game that is very competitive to its very core in Korea . Without kespa there will be no Proleagues , no competition and no organization that actually provide a basics needs and fund to keep our Brood war pro's from going out of hunger. Blizzard in all its greediness as its stand now has fallen beyond the reasonable standard of a company that actually is trying to promote a good game (SC2) using dirty tricks such as trying to take over all Kespa rights to air time for their pro league tournament and not only that advertising illegally on buildings to promote sc2 .

Blizzards has change its no longer a company that actually cares to produce a game that actually brings out the fun anymore just look at starcraft 1 when it was released there were no dirty tricks use in it's marketing regime .We all do know that Gretech is a counter part or a silhouette shadow of blizzards trying to do all its might in destroying SC : BW but as long KESPA is there BW would continue to flourish as It's quite painful for me to know that the game I love from such a long time ago since standard 6 (Bw my second game ) be destroyed and going to youtube to find that there is no more pro league any more . Finally my take on the situation I am definitely in support of Kespa as I still want to see proleague and BW to continue its legacy .

Yes about rainbow and fantaprime ( july ) its good news ^^.

>kespa NGO

/face

Well six figures yes but i guess he still can be called an image of what resemble we made fox and if you check his ranking in team liquid he isn't at the top ranking any more like he use to be as stated in here http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players it merely shows his ELO rating (his previous points collected ) which never changes through time but if nada were to be put out into the fray with the young guns he cant make it as they are much faster and meaner obviously many out there will tear him apart as the top ace from KT (FLAsh ) Hwazeun Oz  (Jaedong ) and many more could out gunned him easily. Besides all that like i said in my previous post its a good news for NAda .

Kespa isn't screwed for that i know because as a striving Non profit organization which actually cared about their players and provide at least a reasonable pay cheque for the Pro league players they have actually done a good job in making Broodwar an E SPORT event with all their fundings and Companies sponsorship .

Kespa isn't the one who stole Blizzard IP it actually promoted Starcraft to where it stands now as a recognized e sport game that is very competitive to its very core in Korea . Without kespa there will be no Proleagues , no competition and no organization that actually provide a basics needs and fund to keep our Brood war pro's from going out of hunger. Blizzard in all its greediness as its stand now has fallen beyond the reasonable standard of a company that actually is trying to promote a good game (SC2) using dirty tricks such as trying to take over all Kespa rights to air time for their pro league tournament and not only that advertising illegally on buildings to promote sc2 .

Blizzards has change its no longer a company that actually cares to produce a game that actually brings out the fun anymore just look at starcraft 1 when it was released there were no dirty tricks use in it's marketing regime .We all do know that Gretech is a counter part or a silhouette shadow of blizzards trying to do all its might in destroying SC : BW but as long KESPA is there BW would continue to flourish as It's quite painful for me to know that the game I love from such a long time ago since standard 6 (Bw my second game ) be destroyed and going to youtube to find that there is no more pro league any more . Finally my take on the situation I am definitely in support of Kespa as I still want to see proleague and BW to continue its legacy .

Yes about rainbow and fantaprime ( july ) its good news ^^.

/face palm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_e-Spor...ers_Association

/face palm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_e-Spor...ers_Association

seriously wut with ppl dissing nada cause he dun play so much anymore or is as good as he was (as though past his prime, he is non-existence by some of the comments here)?
nada was an icon to scbw when it was in its prime thus having such a fat paycheck (and a team lead) even when he is not playing much...
and him coming over to sc2 is a really big blow to kespa (especially after the whole kespa drama from IEM where they pulled nada off his showmatch as they were afraid koreans would see nada playing sc2)...

and since when is kespa non-profit?
they are a NGO under the sports ministry...
they tried to steal it and failed as ip rights is one of the highest protected rights...
those in the IT field would know wut a big issue it would be when some1 is trying to claim rights to ur own IP...

and scbw is a good profit sport which is why kespa is worried to loose it since they dun have rights to sc2...
if all they care is esport and not profit, they would have supported sc2 lol

for them to try and challenge blizzard over blizzard's own ip rights is pretty screwed up...

point to me, where in that page, states that they are a non-profit organization?

also, you *MAY* want to look up definitions on what is "intellectual property" and "non profit organization" (for NPO, ctrl + f the page you link, it is actually right there)

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hmm how come p can become g, btw, it wasnt hotlinked, so just ctrl f it in the search box

In the cases in which NGOs are funded totally or partially by governments,

For those who are not really aware of KeSPA's business, here's the timeline of KeSPA and its major events in (South) Korea

1. KeSPA (Korean e-Sports Player Association) was founded.
2. Blizzard didn't pay much attention to KeSPA.
3. KeSPA tried to sell tickets to offline audience for the final match of Ongamenet Starcraft taurnament.
4. Blizzard said, 'No, you can't do that.'
5. KeSPA then started to take money from two major game channels, Ongamenet and MBC Game, for broadcasting Starcraft matches in Korea
6. Blizzard got mad a bit about this.
7. Only GomTV contacted Blizzard directly to request for broadcasting matches online.
8. Blizzard asked only 1$ for the contract fee.
9. GomTV created GomTV Classic and began to broadcast games.
10. Around Season 4, KeSPA told GomTV to pay money for the broadcasting.
11. GomTV argued that KeSPA didn't have any rights to do so by mentioning its contract with Blizzard.
12. KeSPA pulled their progamers out of GomTV Classic matches.
13. Eventually, GomTV went out of business.
14. Blizzard got really mad.
15. Blizzard set in motion to protect its property as well as intellectual property of Starcraft.
16. Blizzard tried to negotiate a contract with KeSPA.
17. KeSPA refused, argueing that e-sports are like other sports such as basketball and soccer, and we don't pay money to the creator of the soccer ball for soccer games. Starcraft is for the public use like the soccer ball.
18. Michael Morhaime, the president of Blizzard, visited Korea to meet progamers while promoting new Starcraft2 beta in Korea.
19. KeSPA threatened each progamer team not to meet Michael Morhaime.
20. So Michael Morhaime couldn't meet any progamers and had to return to U.S. in vain.
21. Blizzard constantly tried to negotiate with KeSPA, but KeSPA kept refusing for the same reason.
22. Blizzard finally announced that there'll be no negotiation with KeSPA.
23. Blizzard provided GomTV with the rights for broadcasting all the matches using Blizzard games. Also Blizzard informed that all the matches from KeSPA after the end of August, 2010 will expire, so KeSPA will not be able to have any matches using Blizzard games, otherwise be sued by Blizzard.
24. KeSPA furiously reacted to the 'sudden' terms. (Actually, it seemed like threatenening Blizzard)
25. Ongamenet and MBC Game hurriedly tried to negotiate with GomTV
26. In fact, there's no difference for them because they are going to pay GomTV the same money which they've been paying to KeSPA.
27. The only weapon that KeSPA has now is progamer teams that belong to KeSPA.
28. KeSPA prohibited progamers (including SlayersBoxer and NaDa) from playing, or even trying, Starcraft 2.
29. Consequently, the current high ranking players are usually retired progamers and amateurs.
30. GomTV prepared for the broadcast of GSL(Global Starcraft 2 League).
31. The scale of the league surpassed by far that from KeSPA.
32. KeSPA is now trying some media manipulation saying bad things about Starcraft 2
33. Recently, KeSPA forced NaDa to quit playing during the Starcraft2 event match that was held in Germany.
34. KeSPA gave an excuse that it was because of a network problem.
35. KeSPA changed the excuse that NaDa had another event to attend to at that time.

Most of these are known facts that have happend and are happening in Korea.
I read the original version which was in Korean posted in Ruliweb.com and I got somewhat upset about the whole story, so i decided to trasnlate it into English so that many can learn about how KeSPA has been doing to fans, progamers, and Blizzard.

Do you think they would want to stop pro league and destroy its construction of the scene and jump on to sc2 ?
They did not challenge blizzard they are just negotiating between them over the screening time of the games blizzards wants to take the prime slot of BW which is to kespa isn't possible at all cost.Show me a proof that Kespa is actually trying to acquire Blizzards IP  if that is what you were saying .

Exactly SC BW is the soul of Korea I don't think any one with a right mind would want to take off a sport which has been existing and money gobbling for 12 years hence no way Kespa is going to let go of BW.

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Added on September 28, 2010, 6:38 pm

Kespa is funded by the Minister of cultural hence it isn't a body which sets up to be like other profitable organization. According to wiki definition of an NGO  this does qualifies KESPA as a NGO as per requested by you to look at the definition .

This thread says it all to all who thinks Kespa is a money making monster....
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=128517

Do you think they would want to stop pro league and destroy its construction of the scene and jump on to sc2 ?
They did not challenge blizzard they are just negotiating between them over the screening time of the games blizzards wants to take the prime slot of BW which is to kespa isn't possible at all cost.Show me a proof that Kespa is actually trying to acquire Blizzards IP  if that is what you were saying .

Exactly SC BW is the soul of Korea I don't think any one with a right mind would want to take off a sport which has been existing and money gobbling for 12 years hence no way Kespa is going to let go of BW.

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Added on September 28, 2010, 6:38 pm

Kespa is funded by the Minister of cultural hence it isn't a body which sets up to be like other profitable organization. According to wiki definition of an NGO  this does qualifies KESPA as a NGO as per requested by you to look at the definition .

This thread says it all to all who thinks Kespa is a money making monster....
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=128517

well heres the problem (partially my bad):
you said they are a NPO, which is clearly not the case.

and then even IF you meant it being NGO, according to your link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_e-Spor...ers_Association

it DID NOT mention ANYTHING about kespa being funded totally OR partially by the korean government.

so on BOTH accounts, you struck out.

Didn't KeSPA also seek profit seeking activities such as selling broadcasting rights?
- KeSPA did not earn any profits from broadcasting rights. KeSPA is a cultural nonprofit corporation so it does not make profits. Any broadcasting fees are reinvested in whole to the operations of matches.
- Every year KeSPA submits accounting reports to board of directors, and can make public any accounts regarding complete reinvestment of broadcasting fees.

this answers your question
Source http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=128517