Nehalem familyComprises of:
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Core i7 processors--- Core i7 900-series is codenamed "Bloomfield"
--- Core i7 800-series is codenamed "Lynnfield"
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Core i5 processors--- Core i5 700-series is also codenamed "Lynnfield"
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Core i3 processors
Differences between Core i5 & i7• Different socket (LGA1156 vs 1366)
• Different chipsets (that means different motherboards!!)
--- i5 - Pxx & Hxx chipsets e.g. P55, H55, H57
--- i7 - Xxx chipsets e.g. X58
• Ram (Lynnfield supports dual-channel, Bloomfield supports triple-channel)
Core i7 has 3 important features not present in core i5, core i3 (or previous generations e.g. Q9650, Q6600):
1)
Triple channel rams (read more about this
here (Kingston FAQ))
2)
Hyperthreading3)
32x PCI express lanesDo these 3 features help in gaming? Let's look at availabe benchmarks.
Note : Take a look here if you want to know about the top 8 features of core i7 :
http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/11266Dual-channel vs Triple-channel ramsAre triple channel DDR3 rams useful for gaming? The following table summarizes available references/benchmark regarding this issue.
Note : The summary of each reference can be found in the spoiler below.
In conclusion, triple channel rams do not significantly increase gaming performance. On average, dual-channel rams are slower by only
2.28%!!!
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1) InsideHW (March 2009)
After all these tests you need to ask yourself: What the heck is that triple channel mode useful for anyway, when it is obvious that is doesn’t provide performance boost that is expected? Maybe in the future and with some new versions of memory controllers, triple channel mode will provide better performances so transition to this platform will make more sense. Until that moment triple channel mode will be just another nice sticker on LGA 1366 motherboards and memory packages. Of course memory manufacturers already have triple channel DDR3 kits that are intended to be used on Intel Core i7 platform. Since these are triple channel kits they have three DDR3 modules with total capacity of 3GB or 6GB. Since prices for DDR3 memory are still pretty high it is obvious who will profit the most from this situation where (uninformed) users will go for triple channel kits with intention to use up potentials of their new platform.
2) Tweaktown (Nov 2008)
In real world gaming we see there is only a couple of frames difference between triple and dual channel mode. It seems that at this stage there isn’t really a huge amount of call for extra bandwidth.
3) Guru3D (Dec 2008)
No summary on dual vs triple channel in gaming. Overall summary, “It surprised me as much as likely it did for you guys. But you can measure the bandwidth difference really, yet that doesn't mean it'll drag the overall pc performance down. If you like to save a nickel or two in the upgrade processes. It wouldn't be a shame really to go for dual-channel and if you already have DDR3 memory .. simply use that.
The reality is that you'll still have excellent performance in a dual-channel memory configuration ... yet to take it up that extra notch, I'd go straight away to triple channel.”
4) Techspot (Dec 2008)
While Core i7 processors will logically perform its best when using triple-channel memory, we were amazed by how little the performance was affected when using two or even just one memory module. The same remained true for memory frequency, generally the difference between DDR3-1066 and DDR3-1600 memory was kept to a minimum. It should be reinforced that this all applies to desktop and gaming performance. It would only make sense for scientific and other similar applications that rely more heavily on memory subsystem performance to show marked improvements as more bandwidth becomes available.
5) Tomshardware (Nov 2008)
We ran the entire benchmark suite once with each of the memory configurations. Our conclusion? It doesn’t matter much to the Core i7, with its 1 MB L2 cache and 8 MB L3 cache, whether it is running its memory in a triple-, dual-, or single-channel configuration. In everyday tasks, there is absolutely no tangible performance difference: the performance delta between a tri-channel and a single-channel configuration is only 2% on average. If you already own a dual-channel DDR3 memory kit and are planning to switch to the Core i7, you don’t need to spend the extra money on a third module to run your system in tri-channel mode.
6) Hothardware (Feb 2009)
Our synthetic memory bandwidth numbers showed huge differences between the configurations, but in terms of real-world performance, the differences were small. Triple channel memory is not the big time real-world performance bullet which many claim it to be, although it does help deliver much more raw memory bandwidth, which in specific situations, can help greatly. For most applications, though, you won't be touching this level of memory bandwidth, so it's not worth stressing about it too much.
7) Xreview (Nov 2008)
We give confirmation about the memory performance, that the difference between two and three- channel operation modes is low even at high CPU frequencies , and the memory latency is better (lower) in the dual-channel regime.
8) Brighthub (March 2010)
Core i5, however, uses traditional dual-channel memory. This should make RAM less expensive for most users. Some new Core i7s will also support dual-channel memory instead of triple-channel. The performance difference should be insignificant for most users.
References (Dual vs triple channel rams)
1)
http://www.insidehw.com/Reviews/Memory/Int...emory-Mode.html2)
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1665/int..._it/index6.html3)
http://www.guru3d.com/article/g-skill-ddr3...emory-review/114)
http://www.techspot.com/article/131-intel-...nce/page14.html5)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Intel-...em,2057-13.html6)
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Triple-Chan...Core-i7/?page=77)
http://xtreview.com/review232.htm8)
http://www.brighthub.com/computing/hardwar...cles/48391.aspxHyperthreadingAll Core i7 CPUs comes with hyperthreading.
Remember that most games nowadays depend mainly on graphic card for performance and still do not take much advantage of multi-cores. In the same generation of processors, a fast overclocked dual-core will usually beat a slower quad-core. As such, using hyperthreading to increase 4 cores to 8 virtual cores would, in all probability, be of no use or can even lower the performance of the processor.
Hyperthreading helps in multi-threaded applications - encoding, data compression/decompression,
As expected, hyperthreading does not bring any benefits to current games and might even result in a performance hit (
1.7% slower with HT on). Surprisingly, some games benchmark do show an improvement when HT is on.
Note : Summary for each references can be found in the spoiler below:» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
1) Tomshardware (Nov 2008)
Nil
2) iXBTlabs (Feb 2009)
Back in the first article about Core i7 920 we mentioned that the new architecture from Intel was not quite good at games yet. This article is another proof of this point.
3) Bit-tech (Sept 2009)
Games ran slightly slower with Hyper-Threading enabled..... With that said, we found that the slowdown due to Hyper-Threading was less than five per cent, and as Hyper-Threading doesn't increase the power consumption of your PC, enabling Hyper-Threading is worthwhile. Unless we really needed the extra multi-threaded performance, we wouldn't go out of our way to have Hyper-Threading, though, so we're mystified as to why Intel felt it necessary to differentiate its Core i5 and Core i7 ranges on this feature alone
4) Elite Bastards (April 2009)
Turning on HyperThreading has an almost imperceptible effect upon performance in CPU-limited gaming (although this is likely to be quite game dependant) - As most game titles struggle to make use of four CPU cores, splitting this down further into eight hardware threads has no benefits whatsoever..... There's certainly no benefit in its use in any of the game titles we've used the Core i7 with thus far.
5) VR-ZONE (Oct 2008)
Nil
6) HWBOX (April 2009) - In ??Russian!! but just look at the graphs.
References
1)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Intel-...em,2057-12.html2)
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/cpu/ci7-turbo-ht-p2.html3)
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2009...d-cpu-review/104)
http://www.elitebastards.com/index.php?opt...27&limitstart=85)
http://vr-zone.com/articles/does-core-i7-h...0.html?doc=61606)
http://www.hwbox.gr/reviews/3253-quad-core...l#content_startPCI express (2.0) lanes (P55 vs X58)Core i7, with it's X58 chipsets, supports
32 PCI express lanes (it's actually 36, google if you want to know more).
- See here for more details :
X58 specificationCore i5, with it's P55 chipsets, only supports
16 PCI express lanes (Actually 20)
- See here for a short summary between P55, X58 & P45 :
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i...eld,2379-2.htmlThe X58 provides two full-bandwidth x16 slots to multi-GPU configurations via a proper north-bridge chip while the P55 offload that responsibility to Lynnfield's dual-x8 onboard PCIe.
What this means is that for Core i7 (X58 chipset), it can run with the following configurations in SLI:
- 1x graphic card - 1x16 configuration (full 16x PCIe lanes for the card)
- 2x graphic card - 2x16 configuration (full 16x PCIe lanes for each cards)
- 4x graphic card - 4x8 configuration (8x PCIe lanes for each card)
For the Core i5 (P55 chipset), it can only run with the following configurations:
- 1x graphic card - 1x16
- 2x graphic card - 2x8
Important : Some P55 do not run as specified above. Read
post #6 for further details.
So, if you're planning to run on a single card, either the P55 or X58 is enough.
What about if you SLI 2 cards? Would the P55 (2x8 lanes) lose to the X58 (2x16 lanes)?
Let's look at available benchmarks:
Data compilation was a real pain in the neck! Took me one week to do the following compilation.....
P55 platform vs x58 platform (SLI or CF configuration)
As you can see, in SLI or CF configuration, the P55 platform is slower than the X58 platform by an average of
5.15% (Max was -15.8% in crysis benchmark)
- remember that percentages does not reflect real world experience
---For example, in the crysis benchmark where P55 was slower by -15.8%. In absolute frame rate, P55 was 32 fps and X58 was 38 fps.
Notice that in the majority of benchmarks, the P55 is slower, with very few games/setting that P55 was surprisingly faster.
P55 platform vs x58 platform (Single card configuration)
In single card setup, the P55 platform is slower than the X58 platform by an average of
2.00% (Max was -11.5% in World in Conflict benchmark)
You might have noticed that for the benchmarks from "Reference 2", the P55 is suprisingly faster compared to the X58. Here's what the author had to say (probably some suboptimal BIOS for the X58?):
QUOTE
Starting with Far Cry 2, most readers will probably notice that EVGA’s P55 SLI beats its X58 SLI in x16 mode. That’s not a benefit of P55 technology, but is instead a testament to how far EVGA has come as a motherboard manufacturer since the release of the earlier product. Both motherboards were chosen for their excellent layout, but our hopes that a BIOS update would correct the X58 SLI’s minor performance deficit have officially been dashed.
If I were to take "Reference 2" out of the equation, the P55 platform would have been slower by
3.00% (which is also not much).
References (X58 vs P55 SLI)
1)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/28472)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/p55-pc...ng,2517-10.html3)
http://techreport.com/articles.x/17513/84)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i...eld,2379-6.htmlSummary of references as below(P55 vs X58):
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1)
Anandtech (Sept 2009)
There has been much speculation that the Lynnfield/P55 platform would fail miserably with the next generation cards.
If you happen to benchmark Intel platforms for a living, then clearly an X58/Bloomfield platform is the way to go. No questions asked, not even a hint of doubt should enter one’s mind as to the X58 being the logical choice. How about the other 99.9% of us? Well, if you just need that safe feeling that you are getting the maximum benefit out of those $380 HD 5870 cards you just purchased, the X58 paired with a Core i7 is an easy choice. It is an even easier choice if you plan on upgrading to Gulftown next year.
For those of us who are interested in power consumption, heat, noise, and not all that worried about a 2% to 7% difference in the benchmarks, then the Lynnfield platform is an attractive alternative with the latest generation GPUs. In fact, without the 920/X58 hanging around at similar pricing, the general thoughts/concerns regarding 860/P55 would probably be significantly different within the enthusiast community. The 860/P55 is a very good platform, especially for those running at stock or near stock speeds where the aggressive turbo mode will make a difference in daily computing tasks and your pocketbook.
That said, if you are running a single card such as the HD 5870, either platform is fine. However, performance in x8 mode was a bit disappointing for those needing the second slot for purposes other than graphics. In the end, performance in games was still very good and only a benchmark would inform you of less than stellar performance. What we cannot answer right now is if the dual x8 PCIe capability on Lynnfield will become a true bottleneck with the GPUs that follow the current/planned releases from AMD/Nvidia.
So our conclusion still has not changed from a month ago, if you plan on purchasing a high end multi-GPU setup you'll want to go with X58/Bloomfield for the best possible performance. If you want a great combination of application and gaming performance without the power consumption or heat concerns, the Lynnfield platform is a very attractive alternative.
2)
Tomshardware (Jan 2010)
We’ve since found the Core i7-870 to be an excellent (albeit pricey) part, with clock-for-clock performance in a dead heat with LGA 1366 processors, better Intel Turbo Boost ratios, lower average power consumption, and superior overclocking of up to 4.3 GHz on air cooling. All of these great advancements cause us to ask whether the Lynnfield family of Core i5 and Core i7 CPUs might be wolves in sheep's clothing.
Today’s analysis began by questioning whether Intel's Lynnfield-based Core i5 and Core i7 processors, along with the P55 platform that complements them, is good enough for CrossFire, and the answer is probably “sometimes.”
Test results showed that a PCIe x8 slot provides 4% less performance when using the fastest possible single GPU, and those results did translate into a 4% performance deficit in CrossFire. That 4% loss isn’t horrific, and less powerful cards would likely show less performance difference. However, these results shouldn’t dissuade anyone from using an LGA 1156 processor to host only one dual-GPU card, since the card’s x16 interface limitations perfectly match those of LGA 1366-based processors.
3)
TechReport (Sept 2009)
With just one of either graphics card installed, the X58 and P55 are locked in a dead heat. The X58 does prove faster in Call of Duty and GRID with CrossFire and SLI, but only by slim margins.
4)
Tomshardware (Sept 2009)
Very long summary - read here :
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i...ld,2379-12.html This post has been edited by kmarc: Nov 13 2010, 07:55 PM