Hi all shi fu,


i am planning to get s smart phone, but not sure if andriod is suitable for me or not. previously i've already test htc touch, and now using nokia n97 mini. but i am facing the common issue. it will hang when i install application. the touch screen will freeze there when there is incoming call......


so, i am a bit scare of those smart phone already. heard my fren said that iphone will never hang, bout how about andriod phone? any 1 having the hang issue ? any advise for me?

thanks.

android at least far better than ur nokia n97 mini

haha...
same...last time i use dopod 838pro..and will hang when incoming call...
those smartphone need to restart everyday to avoid hang............
btw how about android???

Good Android devices will never encounter those problems. Even my 2y-old HTC Dream doesn't. Android is very good, smooth, responsive, and very customizable.

Of course, it mostly depends on the phone's hardware.

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Added on September 3, 2010, 6:10 pmRecommended Android phones:

Milestone
Milestone XT720
HTC Legend
HTC Desire
HTC Wildfire
Samsung Galaxy S



This post has been edited by pziv2: Sep 3 2010, 06:10 PM

Damn 838 Pro... always hang on me too, especially when I suddenly open the keyboard while on call.

But don't worry, Android no such issue. I only forcefully restart once when I tried to open a large image when suddenly call comes in. Been using the Magic for more than 1 year.



...and it doesn't lag like WinMo.

Get an iPhone 4. I just received an email from Maxis that iPhone 4 is coming real soon :-)

Instead of asking you to buy one straight away, you should visit Digi SOHOKL in Solaris Mont Kiara or Maxis Center in KLCC to try out the phone itself. For Digi, they are showing a HTC Legend and I believe Maxis has a HTC Desire there (not too sure as I went during HTC roadshow).

Try liao then only think... this way sure no regret... I also tried liao then only buy...

The best thing is that can compare to Iphone side by side...

One thing... either one also not bad...

If you have a lot of friends with Iphone, might as well just get it... or if you wanna try something new, Android would be the answer. If you are totally new with smartphone, I would heavily suggest you try the Iphone first before you commit with Android.

y need to try iphone 1st? cannot try andriod 1st??

Been using xt720 for quite some time, it only restarts when I instruct it to. Not just this phone, I think all android phones are stable, in stock condition of course.

Get one from a reputable company, not generic hardware slapped with android.

I'd like to add on that you can also try the following:

Samsung galaxy 3
Samsung galaxy 5
Google N1
Huawei's offering
SE X10


This post has been edited by MYstombox: Sep 3 2010, 08:23 PM

Huawei a reputable company? Hmmm

Well, why not?
They dominate the 3G mobile broadband hardware market and seem to be offering pretty good hardware for phones.
Just because they're not popular doesn't mean their business itself isn't reputable.

Although I don't own any of their stuff yet, to my knowledge, I look to purchase one of their mobile broadband hardware stuff.

Android never hangs on STOCK rom, customized roms might have a lil bit problem

Tends to slow down if toooo many background apps..

Try iPhone for total carefree phone..

Try Android 4 more user-orientated feeling

probably because ask him to try iphone 1st to let them know hw powerful andriod could be

Sold my N97 and changed to SGS.

Never looked back...!

good move

ask urslf why u need to get a smartphone?
do u hv a purpose 2 use de features on a regular basis? e.g. do u like to internet, play games on such a small screen?

if u love to xplore de fones functions and gets excited when u can gain slight speed increase in benchmark or change themes, fonts of de fone, android system is suitable 4 u.

depending on ur usage, u definitely need xtra batteries or two.

on de other hand, if u just want a phone dat has de best design/looks, dat juz works with all de apps (productivity/games/travel/etc), u shld choose iphone.

if none of de above, juz get a nokia e72.

This is a timely and costly move..

Iphone is a joke. Apple gives out a new phone with a new OS frequently, and you have to buy the new phone to use the new OS. If you're using android, you just have to buy the phone once, and you can always upgrade to a newer OS for free. Opensource ftw!

What's the point of new OS, when the new OS requires a higher hardware component, which are not available @ ur outdated phone?

Not necessarily, I see legacy hardware using newer implementations of android. It depends mostly on how well the OS is implemented, and with the number of hackers around with custom rom development + step by step guides, it's up to the user to maximise the hardware and the experience.

Yes, Huawei is a reputable company. They are starting to pick up in handset business, but not their core business yet... Same like what Ericsson were 10 years back....or maybe more.

lol..u didnt state what is the function u want on your smartphone.. and yeah just like other forumer said.. if u want carefree phone.. go for iphone (even sometimes got many problem).. if u want more than iphone (widget,file sharing, flexible extra storage and many more) go for android.. some says iOS is easy some dont.. same goes to android.. its up to u to get your own reason to get which 1

i wondering to get SGS or desire...

same here..thinking of maxis desire or SGS..most probably desire as i need flash for camera..and dont really do 3G call..

Hi all Shi Fu,


thanks for all the input all after read all the advise, i would like to point out my reason to choose smartphone, mayb you guys can share with me also,

1) need to check email easily , mostly for company email and gmail.
2) facebook is not a must for me anyway. as last time i open facebook was jsut to play games, now already stop cause boring already,
3)mayb will install 4-5 popular games inside andriod phone jsut for fun while windows shopping with my wife while she do her own stuff and at least i got something to do.
4) would like to install some other useful application from time to time if there is a need.....
5) so i guess i might install max 10-15 application (is that too much?) and hopefully it wont hang at all. of cos i will always close background app when i not using ( I already hv such practice using WinMO and n97 but it still hang !)
6) a responsive gps with updated map.at least i don need to invest Garmin.



Any idea ?

For your criteria:

1. Yes, the integrated Gmail app is a very good email program, plus there is also K9 Mail.

2. There's a FB app.

3. There's quite a number of game apps on the Marketplace.

4. There's a lot of apps on the Marketplace.

5. With Android 2.2 Froyo, you can installed any number of apps thanks to the SD card integration. Android never hangs, just an occasional slow down when jumping from app to app.

6. This is where Android is lacking. Google Maps doesn't have turn by turn instructions like Garmin, plus the app requires constant internet connection. There's a few other alternatives though of which none of them I recommend.

Great, then this phone is almost meet all my requirement already. 1 final things, due to budget. I think i would like to go for wildfire /legend. any 1 using this phone have any issue?


1 of my fren is using legeng now, he said his phone nvr hang at all. but he not sure in wildfire as the processor is older gen.

I will goto some store to test out also myself to see the diff myself. But wish to hear more info rom you guys

Hoho... I wonder how much of this is true... Hero from 1.6>2.1 and it took a year... not going to get Froyo also.

Apple 3G, a 2 years old phone still getting I OS4...

well..base on your requirement..iphone is better and suit your need..coz apple came with more apps..for email/facebook app i think android is better..both iphone and android can use google maps.. so u can use gps without garmin..

That is entirely HTC's fault for not releasing 2.2 on the hero, mainly due to marketing reasons.
But you can install custom froyo roms on the hero, no?

Just a simple google search turned this up: http://hero-roms.blogspot.com/

The hardware supports it, and as I mentioned earlier, it's really up to the user to do a bit of searching to maximise the hardware potential.

I think what that poster meant was that the open source community will always develop roms for it and provide more up to date OS versions for android phones as long as there are people using the hardware.

This post has been edited by MYstombox: Sep 4 2010, 10:49 PM

+1

ya..HTC sux..before they released official 2.1 update, my hero already running on custom Froyo rom. again..HTC sux !!

u didnt need to create new thread for askin this..better transfer to dedicated thread pls

Iphone 3gs..
realy very smooth.. juz like the smoothness on the ipod touch..

Then dont boost about getting support then... Apple is bad but still support their phone... finally fix 3G lagging issue in 4.1

i believe iphone also will hang if u install a lot of stuff especially if u jailbreak it some more. so far my android phone got hang but usually is because i do some silly stuff during development of my apps causing it to hang. but so far NEVEr encounter it hanging during phone calls, sms, etc.

after u buy a car, den u chge rims, add turbo, etc. one day, get into accident.
who do u blame den? de car company?

dats why iphone and iOS is so much better for normal users bcos de system is perfect de moment u start 2 use it.

but if u already decide to buy android, it is ur money and choice of coz.
htc desire and samsung galaxy is almost same, juz get de one u feel nicest to hold and pretty graphics.

lol..how come iOS become perfect? curious..

1. No flash support
2. Bluetooth file transfer?
3. Browser download limitation?

Still not perfect, but great device no doubt.

I never 'boost' or boast about support from the manufacturer(s), I just said and have said before, that the open source community supports it. Whether or not the phone manufacturers support it is another thing. And we can still find custom roms or whatever of phones long outdated.

Of the 3 or 4 posts I made prior to this, I don't see where I said anything about manufacturer supporting legacy hardware. I only mentioned hackers, custom roms, step by step guides.

Apple supports their phone cause they don't want users to experience the OS any other way. And what can be done on 4.1 which can't already be done on jailbroken phones?

This post has been edited by MYstombox: Sep 5 2010, 09:07 PM

I would suggest that iPhone is really really user friendly. That's it.

Android le.. since it is open source, then less application limitation.

Actually la kan..
before this I really want to use iPhone and wait for the price lower..

Then suddenly Android came out, I watch it review & comments from pro's. With never see it by my own eyes, I just ordered it and get it via post. BoooM.. it really cool.. and I love it.. till now keep using android

History:
1st time using android with Motorola Dext.. then change to Motorola Milestone.. and now change lagi.. use Motorola Milestone XT720..

why motorola? don't know la.. I just love it

With the outstanding lineup of phones available and coming out soon that will be running Android, it isn't a mystery why Android's popularity is skyrocketing.
It's funny to be witnessing history repeat itself. Apple's closed system will once again render them as a niche while the open Android system will take over the main stream.
Apple got a bit of a head start in the market so it will take a while longer, but it is inevitable.

Well there will always pro and con... IPhone I did not see lags even u install quite some number in it, but some android yes... Especially lower specs one... But if u see the specs of the lower spec android with iphone it is about he same...

What I can say is iPhone OS build for the phone, but Android phone needs to build to meet the Android OS performance...

As some of them says if you prefer to have a frust free entertainment phone, iPhone is good... But u prefer customisation n don mind a bit frust the android...

I'm using wildfire, it lags a lil and needs u to kill tasks n restart sometimes to run smoother... I don see even galaxy s or desire will not need to do that, coz theyare running the same platform... u need to manually kill some task in order for it to run smooter... If u used wm or symbian b4 then android will be much fun or course...

presumably ur malaysian, hence quite forgetful.
only a year ago, android fones were non-existent but mkt awareness and sales had skyrocketed until de level it is now.
bcoz manufacturers like htc, sony, n motorola r not allowed to use iOS hence they must use de only other alternative, android.
even if android is inferior to iOS (not all but de most important thgs to de normal user), these brands didn't hv any choice.
using android as de base OS, these brands poured their best specs fones, spend a lot of advertising money to promote.
and the results is seen now. dis kenot be avoided.

but will dis trend last long? after normal users find it lacking, especially in user interface, battery life?
unless google manage to hires many ex-apple iOS key staff, i do not expect the expertise of android team to match apple.

and it is not same story like windows and macos.
unlike windows which had no competitors, in de smartphone mkt already have windows mobile, symbian (nokia) and webOS (hp).

for example, htc/sony/moto can easily switch to winmo7 and drop android anytime.

What make u think HTC, SE motorola want to use iOS???? they got use WM6.5 or the coming WM7 or symbian or android itself with their self made custom user interface. There is lots of choice even it is using android itself due to open platform.
"these brands didn't hv any choice."???????? What I see is Apple don't have any choice in term of choosing OS.
"spend lots of money"???? do u even know who spend the most money in advertising?

LOL.. so what u are saying is that to make a good user interface, companies must hire apple's staff???? So any android user here agree that android interface not good??

Windows don't have competitors??? Do u even know that during the 1980s, mackintosh was cheaper than it competitor IBM(do u even know that IBM was the OS market leader)???? Windows was not that hot only that time
PLEASE La... read history how yr beloved company lets windows become monopoly la..especially steve job...
and the current situation is just look like during that time. As now Google offer a more open platform while apple offer a closed platform.

btw, SE just announced few weeks ago that they are planning to be largest android phone manufacturer.. PLEASE LA... read news before u come out with those funny funny comment.
btw, for yr info again, SE is collaborating with android team(google) to bring PSP to android platform in the Gingerbread.
and btw, all along, HTC always come out with android and winmo phones all along since 2008 since android came.. They are not stupid enough to drop android just because of winmo.

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Added on September 6, 2010, 11:46 amand btw, those manufacturer use Android because they see there is a potential market for android phone, NOT BECAUSE they don't have choice.
google didn't USE A GUN point at HTC/samsung/motorola to force them use Android.

This post has been edited by whitegoh: Sep 6 2010, 11:46 AM

kentang peranchis got owned..

and beside poured their best specs, they do make customization
HTC-htc sense
motorola-motoblur
samsung-touchwiz
SE-mediascape/timescape
to differentiate among competitors.

great, i found a wildfire end user here. Minds to share with me what is the app you already install inside and hows ur usage? Does the battery last you for only 1 day? when u said you need to kill task and restart , does that means restart the phone ? how frequent you need to do that.

My current n97 some times the touch screen just no responding when there is incoming call....

pls think properly b4 u put ur thoughts into writing and shame urslf. but i guess u must be still inexperienced and naive.
1) simple reason sense/touchwiz/blur exist is 4 branding and bcoz standard android interface is inferior, not meant for normal users. but each time google improves its firmware, those brands need to scramble n rewrite de whole software again (but they can choose to ignore latest firmwares as well)
2) thr is no viable choice other den android. winmo 6.5 is outdated and never really open up de touchscreen smartphone market until apple came into the picture.
symbian?? . juz another phoneOS which was never built for touch interface. juz buttons.
3) for sure, se/htc/moto can easily drop android if they want to. if microsoft gives them enuff reasons to do so.

therefore, android users now is constantly in danger. of course, u have ur geeky xda-developers forum for self-cooked ROMs (same with winmo)...but wld normal users ever bothered with dat?

my final conclusion to ur question "planning on buying a andriod phone"
- pls go ahead. if u like de advertisments, can live with de pathetic battery life (desire, but still to be proven in firmware 2.2), spends and njoys life modding fones (colors, fonts, roms, etc)

heck many ppl spend their moneys in more wasteful ways anyway.

I ask you la.. if android is so inferior to iOS, even if "these brands poured their best specs fones, spend a lot of advertising money to promote", for sure all the handphone users in this world all using iphone already.. how come android market share still can skyrocket????????

It's like telling ppl, htc/sony/motorola are selling sh*ts rebranded/covered up in different forms, and yet users still buy these bags of sh*ts till the market share for android skyrocket??

What you say just don't make sense..

"standard android interface is inferior, not meant for normal users???? so u what make u think standard interface is inferior for normal users???"
did u even see those nexus one's interface??? Not meant for normal user???? and how u defined normal user?? what make u think that standard android's interface is not for normal user???
Is it very hard to interact with the users???
"for sure, se/htc/moto can easily drop android if they want to. if microsoft gives them enuff reasons to do so???"
hohoho.. Then we shall see...

yeah, android users are in danger. u all should be cafeful, and yeah don't buy android, android going to die soon, buy iphone, is the best.
buying android phone is a waste of yr money...

Is android not meant for normal users????
I think most of us in this forum who are using android are normal users. Hard to use??? those android user will know. Not a pro-apple fans who keep on bashing android with baseless argument. I hope u do read some of the forecast about smartphone sales before even open yr mouth saying "android going to die soon".

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Added on September 6, 2010, 1:09 pmand is buying android phone waste of money???
If yes, buying a iPhone is also waste of money, is an even better way of wasting yr money coz WE DON'T NEED a 2.5k iphone for a NORMAL USER.

This post has been edited by whitegoh: Sep 6 2010, 01:17 PM

Yeah, it is so inferior that my 3.5 years old kid know how to unlock my htc magic ( stock interface, not sense ) and play game on it

if u can calm urslf down and read properly, i've mentioned dat even though android is inferior n has many weakness, it is NO CHOICE situation by other phone maker brands. otherwise, they will be left out cold from de touchscreen smartphone market dat apple created.

do they wanna use
win-mob? - outdated and was designed for stylus input, not touch.
symbian? - outdated and was designed for buttons inout, not touch.
webOS? - viable alternative to iOS but palm screwed up. depends how hp will make use of dis weapon.

android? - most viable alternative, with open-source concept therefore many possibilities/problems. but need a visionary like steve jobs to really push it into mainstream.
win-mob7 - unknown. but quite possible de android-slayer.

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Added on September 6, 2010, 2:03 pmdo not underestimate de intelligence of kids nowdays.
u may be suprised dat they are much smarter den u in so many ways!


This post has been edited by kentang_peranchis: Sep 6 2010, 02:03 PM

hehe.. this rather funny.. sounds like you're steve jobs' gaypartner.. haha just kidding..
i curious again.. if the manufacturer like sony/nokia doesnt hav choice other than android platform?
they got their own os developed.. like on N900 and Aino.. but still they focused on android.. *sign*
do they throw away all the research/efford on their own OS just because they dont hav choice to take android?
as a normal business man ppl..they would see only benefit for future.. and they saw they can get more thru android rather than keep developing current OS..

yes, u r right. there is no choice.
but u must use more of ur brain to think deeper.
u think it is so easy to develop ur own OS? it may take years and lotsa money! only now samsung is try-try, see-see de BADA.
and u think each company got a visionary and a genius like steve jobs? maybe nokia/se/htc can somehow develop their own software but there's no guarantee it can even smell de smoke left behind by iOS.

so de logical and business thg to do is to use somethg free, and slightly better den de other losers out there, invest a bit on de interface for branding and patch up purpose, and voila...htc/se/moto branded android phones.

otherwise, they will be left out of smartphone touch market.

this thread has been off track too thanks to some people, needs to be closed (thanks to some people)

This post has been edited by pluginbaby: Sep 6 2010, 02:41 PM

yeah agreed..

he just think every single people on the earth hope to use iOS on their phone.. i wonder which company want to use iOS which not support bluetooth file transfer and only proud with 3.2mp camera(+witout flash).. ROFL..

the issue is..iOS juz for iphone mobiles only..while android os..a lot of phone company doin same os..like HTC,motorola,SE etc...try iOS..put in others phone model with low spec..sure sangkut ma..sure no smooth..aishooo..

1 i wonder if iphone can be sold at wildfire price.. wait 10 years still cant do.. haha.. coz iOS cant running on low spec phone like wildfire which is cheaper..

please don't waste your time arguing with him.

im trying

Er, okay.

Please tell me what is 'inferior' in terms of UI experience.
And show me proof of 'inferior' battery life.

Show some objectivity in your argument.

Let me start off,
I don't like iOS because of it's lack of homescreen widgets, I don't get my information provided to me at one glance.
In iOS i need to open up apps to view them, which is annoying. This reduces my productivity, especially when I need a quick glance at my schedule.

Widgets also allow me to have quick access to settings, turning on/off connections etc. iOS i always need to enter settings and toggle them there.

I like it that in android I can get true multitasking, in that in whatever app i am in, by pressing the home button I can have access to another app and return to the first one which is running in the background. This is especially useful when I need to search the net to find something and get back to the word document I was looking through.

For battery life, my battery life exceeds iphone's easily. With same usage habits.

Oh wait I forgot, I can buy spare batteries for android devices if I need to, unfortunately I can't change batteries if the iphone went out of juice,which happens more often than not.

iphone can download files from filesharing website like megaupload or rapidshare?

u may refer to de other thread to read my points on de superiority of iOS. no need to repeat myslf each time and spoon-feed u ppl. battery life has already been proven by many of de complaints from my customers. again, i will not repeat myslf again.

wat type of info u can quick glance?
why u always need to have quick access to ur settings? do u frequently like turning on/off ?
ios4 also has multi-tasking.

why u need spares? bcos of weak battery life mahh...

i am getting annoyed by this apple fanboys..
the benefits of replaceable battery:
one scenario... in case, got emergency call to make, at outside, no battery, u can replace it.
If non replaceable battery??? die lo...

Simple as that. Good battery so?? infinite ah? won't finish ah?? sure will finish one isn't it? That what MYstombox is arguing.
and yeah la.. we know iphone 4 battery is no1. satisfy???
btw, want to know which phone has the excellent battery life??
is to do a research on it. Battery drain have many factors. Depend on how you use it. Like me, i can finish my battery just half day or in 2 days, IS DEPEND ON USAGE.
btw, research do shows that Apple iphone 4 is the best efficient power consumption, 2nd is SGS which quite close to it.
Please la.. Read more articles of those experts before vomit out those funny funny comment.

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Added on September 6, 2010, 6:34 pmand please close the threat, I don't know why got a apple fans doing in android forum...

This post has been edited by whitegoh: Sep 6 2010, 06:34 PM

haha it does not last me a day for frequent calls and APN on the go...
I got quite a numbers of apps... about 15 of them now including games... it lags sometimes but after u kill the apps using advance task manager then it is better... yea sometimes lags a bit here and there like symbian, but still bearable... if you want lag free androids please get those top range, not lower range like Wildfire...
i never face really hang up b4 until now, *touch wood*, but wildfire serve me well...

No objectivity in his debates, getting rather annoying with his fanboyism.

I hope the TS can read through the smoke and mirrors from all this.

This post has been edited by MYstombox: Sep 6 2010, 08:11 PM

Ahhh... not another I OS vs Android...

Forgive me but I DONT CARE AT ALL WHO IS THE BEST...

appearingly some apple fanboys is at the wrong site.
don't know why a apple fanboys is doing in android forum.

mayb im on wrong thread
but im really curious about nokia n900
can somebody tell me bout that?is is a gud hp?
since many sifu here,pls giv me some opinion??thx

Boss this is Android phones thread, suggest you ask or create a thread over here to ask your question.