HOW TO MAKE SURE BUYER WILL GET REAL GENUINE PRODUCT FROM MICROSOFT. NOT!!! COUNTERFEIT


I want share my experience in IT WORLD.

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BE VERY CAREFUL over 90% of sealed Shrink Wrapped
boxed you see right now at this very moment
on eBay, some bid price in lelong from RM1, some in lowyat GarageSales, are COUNTERFEIT!
Today, SOME COUNTERFEIT WINDOWS 7 ULTIMATE arrived at WWW.LELONG.COM.MY.
Click link here source

THEY WILL FOOL YOU! !!!!

SAMPLES OF older COUNTERFEIT PRO which
can easily fool you, & there are many more
Counterfeit Windows 7 Ultimate than any other type.



COUNTERFEITS CAN FOOL 98% OF BUYERS FOR MONTHS,
Just long enough where it's too late to do anything about it
then it's TOO LATE & YOU LOOSE ALL YOUR MONEY!

Don't be clueless! Learn how to spot Counterfeit!
Don't become just another added to the growing list
of Victims fooled by Counterfeits


High Grade Counterfeit Windows 7 Pro Sample Gallery Comparison

Take 5 minutes & Learn How to tell


1. Retail Counterfeit vs. Retail Genuine DVD




2. Retail Counterfeit vs. Genuine COA (Retail)



3. FULL VIEW OF 2 Counterfeit & 2 Genuine DVD



4. MORE SAMPLES OF OLDER COUNTERFEITS BELOW SAY '' MADE IN USA '' BOGUS











MY ADVISE: IF YOU WANT BUY WINDOWS 7 GENUINE ORIGINAL & 100%AUTHENTIC, PLEASE GET FROM GENUINE STORE. YOU NEED TO CHECK BEFORE BUY.

T.Q

HOPE THIS ARTICLE CAN HELP PEOPLE

This post has been edited by seantaro: Apr 25 2011, 10:03 PM

Nice sharing!..Now wanna buy ori also scared..aiseyh..got so many tactics edy..

thanks for the info, will tell the others about this...

haiz buy an original windows also scare cheat by the seller =_=

If scare been cheating by someone, then buy for a laptop which come with genuine windows and product key, then it will be more secure lor....

A very great guide!!!!!

If u scare, then directly buy from microsoft outlet ba...its d most safety way. ...but kinda shock tat they wan do counterfeit product until like tis ...mayb can find it at Petaling street

This post has been edited by sai86: Aug 29 2010, 12:32 AM

Wow. Nice find TS I thought high grade 1 to 1 pirating like this stop with Windows XP, guess it's not eh?

Pinned.

as long as there's demand, those pirates wont stop doing their job. that is, to make profit as much as they can.

No, no, no. You're mistaking this high-grade piraters with those pasar malam one. These kind of piraters, they feed on end users unawareness of how to differentiate genuine and fake media, especially when it looks 1 to 1 like original.

just wanted to correct you. i work for microsoft

these are the corrections :

1) Ingram Micro is an authorised distributor of Microsoft products. There are boxes of Microsoft products with 'Ingram Micro' labels which are genuine. Some may be fake....i have never come across them before in all my working years in Microsoft.

2) Microsoft products are also produced in the USA. CoA with 'made in USA' may be genuine....not all are fake.

the only difference to differenciate genuine and fake would be the silvery part of the CoA......the pictures showing the difference between genuine and fake silvery part of the CoA are all CORRECT.

This post has been edited by machaclan: Aug 30 2010, 01:58 AM

Really? I DID NOT work with Microsoft, but I do have come across lots of Microsoft products made for the U.S. market, but NONE of them are Made in USA. All of them are Made in Puerto Rico, be it retail, NFR, or VL disc. How it is Made in USA when Microsoft didn't have pressing facility in the U.S.? Care to enlighten me?

I'll give u a definite answer when i return to work after the Merdeka holidays.

i have come across boxes of Windows 7 which says Made in USA, Made in Puerto Rico and Made in Singapore when i was in the office working. i dont think counterfeit ones will come into the office. Anyway, if you claim that they are fake, please consider this :

If it is really made in Puerto Rico, then why would manufacturers of counterfeit versions put 'Made in USA'??? If the public knows that Windows 7 is made in Puerto Rico, manufacturers of counterfeits will put 'Made in Puerto Rico' and NOT 'Made in USA'. This is because this tactic will be able to deceive the public easily!!!

For example, a Manchester United jersey has a Nike logo on it. Manufacturers of counterfeit jerseys will also put a Nike logo on the jersey! If they put an Adidas logo, the public will know it is a fake and hence, will not buy it!!!

Thanks for the reply.

Never across Made in USA, not even once. Made in Singapore is often for SEA distribution, so it's not that weird.

buy keys and download , confirm works and genuine

Depends, if you buy keys directly from Microsoft, then there's no problem, if not, you get the risk of having your key blocked, just as this one.

so far no problem for me doing so..

Oh my godness. This type of counterfeit is really DANGEROUS!! Thanks for the reminder.

thanks for sharing. where are the counterfeit origins?

How does one buy genuine key from Microsoft?

Rgds,
jackdaw

MOST this FAKE SOFTWARE Is made IN CHINA....

For personal use, the only legal way is to buy through Microsoft Store, but unfortunately, it's not available to Malaysian, but I do believe you can still buy it though. If you're buying for company, there's volume licensing which gives you one installation media and key(s) to use. For this kind of licensing, you'll need to consult Microsoft Malaysia or it's authorized volume licensing partner for more information.

Anyone here know any good/genuine Win 7 seller?

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Added on September 11, 2010, 6:07 pmAnyone know whether it is possible to get an OEM version which I would think should be cheaper?

This post has been edited by jackdaw: Sep 11 2010, 06:07 PM

Does this kind of the counterfeit exists for Windows Xp packagees too? I saw some of the people in LYN selling some windows xp, but i want to asks if you guys knows that there are such pirated stuff exists for windows xp.

Of course you can buy the OEM version, but if you're thinking of changing the license to another computer (or change the motherboard to another brand) then you're out of luck. I recommend getting from retailer as they provide you receipt and IF it's counterfeit, you can get refund.

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Added on September 12, 2010, 6:10 pmYes, there is, but I can't find the article Microsoft published about it. However, take a look at this safety guideline when determining software's genuine status.

This post has been edited by FarCry3r: Sep 12 2010, 06:10 PM

Thanks for the info man. Appreciate it.

No problem Please share the info with anyone that have doubt over their Microsoft software purchases.

Wanna ask if I really bought a counterfeit product, how do i determined that? Is it I can't updates or my license key being block etc etc
Thanks


noob

The possible consequences is that microsoft will notify you if your copy of windows is not genuine. However, it is known that sometimes microsoft accidentally label Genuine copy as non Genuine. But, if u experience this multiple times, the chances are higher that it is non genuine copy of windows.

The last thing you ever want to happen to you is to only find out that the windows cd or dvd you bought is the fake ones through customs officers.

This post has been edited by Quantum_thinking: Sep 17 2010, 06:31 PM

Please ignore if you don't share my view;

@macyhouse

Last time when i read the Microsoft T&C when installing the windows, it says it would not compensate more than 5 USD from Microsoft or related parties if anything goes wrong.

correct me if i am wrong because it is a very long time i did not read its T&C.

Got that meh .. no la .. unless you are saying from BOX .. meaning buying software only and install to DIY hardware
you only get to read it when you install i.e. when every idiot skip and just accept .. LOL .. me included ..

Ok la .. next time i copy and paste out ah .. LOL

No time do reseach on this la .. not confirm .. but sure dam long list of clauses .. for sure hardware mati not their problem .. 1 cent also won't give one .. LOL

But if software + hardware = official distributor ... all warranty base on distributor lo

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Point taken ... what i said above is more to OEM validity and not warranty ....
Come on ... I install XP , Vista , Office ... if hardware spoil, i blame hardware or other application .. never on Windows right

This post has been edited by macyhouse: Sep 21 2010, 06:13 PM

Anyone know any reputable sellers in Lowyat selling Windows 7? And is the price for Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit RM369 ok?

Yup. I read the T&C last time before install it. So far, i never heard people blame windows for hardware failure. Thanks for the info, anyway.

The Windows 7 home premium comes with 2 dvd for the 32 bits and the 64 bits. RM 369 is still ok.

wow.. never know about this thing

thanks for sharing this ... now i need to be very careful when buying windows ....

Not only for the windows. Even handphone hardware also need to becareful. These cheaters are damned pro already.

can also buy in microsoft website lor..

Yes, you're right. Now Microsoft Store have been updated to support Malaysian buyers.

It is indeed a useful website for information. However, the price is not that "ideal".

i am in search for a new notebook...when looking at toshiba brochures i see one of the spec (F60 S5321) it stated genuine windows 7...later i ask the SA do i get the original copy of the windows incase i had to format the notebook.....the SA told me no cd coz it already preinstalled but can burn it to other cd......is it true....?

For toshiba, that is the problem.

I have to tell my friend to help me to do the recovery backup image once he have installed the all the softwares to ensures that next time when my friend want to format the laptop, he still have an image to restore his Genuine windows 7. The only piece of backup avaliable to him.

Forget to do? Say goodbye to your Genuine Windows 7 if you format it without having a backup image to DVD.

thank you Quantum.......

at least the SA r telling the true......so we can use the image over and over again rite......?

If you don't lose your DVD, you can do so.
I always restore my backup image every month actually to clear up my system.
Keep it as good as new.

BTW for SEA region it is made in Singapore.

A lot of people knows that. Why Microsoft would spend money to ship the Genuine DVD all the way from Pureto Rico to SEA while they have their own factory in Singapore?

Just like last time when my father's friend accidentally bought 2 FAKE nokia handphone.

I was quite suspicious about the sound quality and its Country of Origin; Made in Finland.

The FAKE nokia handphone quality is so good until i am fooled.

I only realised it when it cannot connect it to the computer using the PC Suite.

The only way i know to differentiate them is through testing the camera. The FAKE ones still does not have the auto focus feature for their camera labelled as "Carl Zeiss Tessar 2.8/5.4 AF 5MP".

Nowadays, those counterfeiters are real professional.

Really? I thought some Nokia phones does originated from Finland, the motherland of all Nokia phones, no?

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Added on October 7, 2010, 9:04 amYes, I believe the prices on Microsoft Store doesn't reflect the current prices in Malaysia, perhaps they need someone from local subsidiary to manage the prices.

This post has been edited by FarCry3r: Oct 7 2010, 09:04 AM

I have 1 N82 also stated that is "MADE IN FINLAND". Thank God that is the Genuine 1. Recently most of the nokia phone is produced in China, if i am not mistaken.

Even the Nokia Blog shows that N8 is shipped out from the Nokia factory in China with DHL.

So far , i have not seen any Nokia N97 mini or Nokia X6 is "MADE IN FINLAND" yet. ( because i was too busy with my studies, so i did not involve myself in doing business temporary for nearly 2 months)

As for the store, it is good for those people previously being conned with the fake windows to buy from them since they are the official 1.
Getting things from official channel usually is more expensive. No doubt about that.

So..... if I see a Windows 7 that says "MADE IN USA", it's more than likely that it's a fake? Or it's definitely a fake?

I'm surprised that it's not made in China, or made in India, since Microsoft has offices in India now.

More likely that it's a fake, can't be too sure. Plus that machaclan guy that claim to be Microsoft staff already silenced, so can't confirm if it has a chance of being the real deal. If you ask me, I'd avoid such items.

You shouldn't be surprised. There's only few of such facility in the world. Microsoft has office in Malaysia too, but it's not produced here.

Microsoft has offices all over the world

True. But not all of them have facility to create the Genuine Windows DVD.

It's so cool, after looking at seantaro's first post with all the comparison photo, now I can spot fake in an instant.

I was just browsing the eBay listings, and it's just ridiculous how many fakes there are, I don't think any of them is legit. At least the ones that show the COA sticker photo are definitely fake, and the ones that don't show are "probably" fake, since the price is a dead giveaway.

Another question, how do I spot a fake MS Office? Pretty much the same things that you pay attention to for a fake Windows 7?

Thank you all. This forum is awesome, it really saved me a lot of trouble!
I was so tempted by the low price on eBay.

Remember, people always wants to "gain" from sales, either cheating or profiting from it unless for special circumstances such as selling second hand stuff or short of cash.

Always try to understand why people sell cheap.

PIC WINDOWS 7 ULTIMATE
i just receive the seller sending me the pic for the windows 7 ultimate he selling .this guy is trcttr. i have no idea is fake or not but from the picture is seems fake. beware if your guy need to buy.
here the pic he sent me .first time i asking the pic he give me very blur one so i ask again.

This post has been edited by cycquest: Oct 18 2010, 01:05 PM

Take a look at the first post picture no.2 and first box on the top of the picture.

I think it might be one of them.

thx 2 u...now i know how to detect whether ori or not...i'm using w7 pro now,no prob to update n installing mse...i think tht a true genuine w7...

thanks all....

Ok, so I decided to stay away from eBay. I found a couple of "seemed-legit" websites on the internet that sell "claimed-to-be-legit" OEM. They don't send the "actual physical" CD to the buyers, but instead, buyers are given a download link after making a purchase.

It seems legit, and I can use my credit card protection if they turn out to be fraudulent.

But there is something I don't understand, that is, all these websites disclose the following:

"You cannot register the software with the manufacturer and may not be able to obtain product updates."


I thought users could still register even with OEM windows. No?

Could someone please enlighten me.

Thank you all....

I've encountered such website(s) before and this is what I can summarize about them:

• OEM Software? Bullshit! - OEM softwares especially Windows and Office have COA and you will need them to prove that your software is genuine.
• Can't receive updates? Bullshit! - If your softwares are genuine, no matter if it's retail or OEM, you should and can receive updates from publisher

Those softwares on their site are either stolen full version softwares (that doesn't require online/offline activation), softwares with generated license keys, pre-cracked softwares (that have licensing part stipped) or abuse uses of license keys (in case of Windows and Office).

Once, I found a link on the Internet to those kind of site that offers Photoshop CS4 which they claim to be full original version. I somehow managed to extract the direct link to the file and downloaded it. Guess what, they put in a keygen in there and ask their "customer" to generate a key for their use. So much for the original eh?

My advice? Stay away. It does tempting as the prices are waaaaaay cheaper than any retailers can offers, but it's not worth your times, moneys and efforts.

For eBay however, you can still deal with them, but you need to be really careful. Most of the times, I only buy vintage softwares as those are hard to get and, well, since it's vintage, no one bothers to counterfeit them.

This post has been edited by FarCry3r: Oct 22 2010, 11:02 AM

Counterfeiters always "improves" their product over the time. Ask for the receipt when you have bought such a stuff at all times.

@iAsk
Heed the advice man. it is for your own good.

Things that are too good to be truth is not as it seems to be.

I know, if something sounds too good to be true, it most likely is.

It's just that these websites seem so legit, and they blatantly sell illegal products and nobody has yet done anything to them. A stupid person like me would think "well, they've been on the web for a long time, if they are doing something wrong, something bad should have already happened to them".

I guess I just have to control my cheapness and greed, so I don't end up buying these super-deal-fake products.

You are not stupid, man. It is the cheaters are brilliant in an evil way.

It is hard to shut down all of the illegal sellers. So many bad guys in the web, but how many police is policing the wild wild west sites?

Mods of the sites usually have work to do. Until they are notified and decided to take action, only the bad guys' attempt to sell will be stopped. But even they are stopped in this way, it is free to create a new identity or account to continue to cheat in some sites.

owh...really??but when i purchase w7 pro the seller not give me coa???wtf!!that mean its fake???

The key is genuine, but most likely taken from a TechNet/MSDN subscriptions, which is only meant for use by the account holder. So if you ask me, I'll still classified that as not genuine as you can't prove that you buy it because you didn't get any COA or any proof that you've purchased the real thing. If possible, I suggest you to ask for refund if the seller can't provide some kind of concrete proof of its authenticity.

I recently came across a small program that checks the validity of your Product Key (not Product ID), so you can know if it's genuine without actually installing it. Or you can know if the Key is retail or MSDN or OEM before you use it in installation.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post the link to the download of the program, or if I'm allowed to upload such program.
For all I know, the program could be a fake itself.

I tried couple Keys from my friends, and the program somehow was able to identify the Keys.

So, anyways, if you know of, or have heard of, such program, please share your insight.

Thank you.


It's called: Windows 7 PID KEY Checker 1.0.1.

i already check whether genuine or not at microsoft website...n it told me that my windows is genuine...it also offer me some product of microsoft including microsoft security essential n technical support....

This post has been edited by wanfaris: Oct 24 2010, 02:22 PM

As I said before, it's genuine key, but it's not licensed for your use, it's only to used by owner of the account. Mind you that when Microsoft detect abuse use of the keys, they will block it and all your money will gone to waste with no one to help you. The seller? Probably gone with your money and start conning other peoples.

This post has been edited by FarCry3r: Oct 24 2010, 05:29 PM

I have friend offer me the genuine windows 7 pro for about rm150.

When i ask about any proof of purchase such as receipt or DVD or COA, he said no, but he said that those copies activated through the Microsoft server is different than offline activation to persuade me to buy.

At the end of course i say no. THERE IS NO WAY OF PROOFING I PURCHASED THE SOFTWARE. When it comes to Intellectual Property, it is important that you must make sure that the licensed is wholly and exclusively for you when you paid it. This is because it means that you have the right to use the software legally along with its proof.

How much you paid?

As for refunding, Good luck.

^ This. By the way, all of them still need to be activated through the Internet. There's no such thing as offline activation unless you're on master OEM licenses. Heck, even Enterprise version need to connect to a (local/outside) KMS server to activate.

becareful at garage sales have a person may or maynot selling fake windows..not i want to make noise about him just because i receive the picture for coa as known is fake.but many user claim is original and call microsoft to verify as well. just double check because even gen key also can use for update and activated.

This post has been edited by cycquest: Oct 24 2010, 10:24 PM

owh...i see.....tq all 4 ur information...anyway...i juz buy rm178 at pc shop...wht happen if ms detect that i abuse this key???it will block whole pc or juz windows??

RM178?? What license you bought it ? It will show the message your windows not genuine. your pc is fine not worry.

mine use oem...w7 pro 32bit..

This post has been edited by wanfaris: Oct 25 2010, 12:11 AM

i see. even oem win7 home premium not cheap as that .probaly is fake or illegal or free gift set if luckily.

This post has been edited by cycquest: Oct 25 2010, 12:45 AM

I mean the ahem version. Last time i use it. That is how he said it is different when i argue that i can update the Ultimate "ahem" version while activating offline because i tell him like this:

1. no receipt
2. non original 1
3. No COA

if i pay him rm 150 for the professional version. What is the difference? He said the opportunity to activate online using his key and i have to activate offline when i am using the ahem version's key.

If people got it for free, usually they all also try to profit from it.

can refund eh??

Aha, sorry for misunderstanding your statement.

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Added on October 25, 2010, 6:16 amUsually your money is good as gone, but I don't know, you can try though.

This post has been edited by FarCry3r: Oct 25 2010, 06:16 AM

okey...i'll be try....i buy it at pc shop...at least if they refused to return back my money,i can report to consumer tribunal...

PC shop and they didn't provide COA for you? You should definitely report them to consumer tribunal even if they did refund you back. Who knows how much customers has been conned into buying them

em...ok that very gud idea....tipu customer about genuine windows....anyway,thx for ur info...

If they refuse to refund, try to negotiate with them for discount by buying goods from them.

Sincerely, i advise you should prepare for the worst.

Since they give you the code without COA, they can simply deny the whole transaction has taken place.

Did you have a receipt for paying for it?

yup...they give my receipt....

Good for you. Always try to negotiate for some other things other than software ( since they did not provide you the license meant for you to use) before going to the tribunal to pressure them if the situation goes hostile.

However, there is 1 question raised in my mind:

Did they actually explain to you that the key is wholly and exclusively for you to use or you just straight away buy just because it is cheap without fully understand the package offer?

actually...yes....my friend hv recommend to me tht those pc shop invent da promotion 4 w7 pro oem....i already know tht w7 pro genuine worth rm450++,so i bought it without delay....yes...its my fault....should i survey first be4 buying....

this one me still blurry...mind to elaborate more in details?
what if i encounter this situation...i wanna grab 1 sealed Window 7 (since i can't differentiate from the silvery part COA) but of coz seller wouldn't allow me to c the disc inside (that particular thin foil sticker can b detected easily)
if i'm spending ~rm700 then get fake 1 really can't accept tat....

Do not survey for the lowest price.

REMEMBER MY ADVICE BELOW:

Software price will not dropped just because the time factor.

Before Windows Xp is taken off the shelf, the Retail Price is still about RM3XX despite the fact that it is already gonna celebrate its 1 decade anniversary next year.



That piece of thing is the reason why you have to pay RM XXX for it.

If you snap the photo of it ( containing the serial), means the seller lose RM XXX indirectly. He can still sell though. But he is running the risk of getting into the trouble when the person who gets the key through the photo and the person who pays for it is blacklisted by Microsoft.

I am not saying that you would have this kind of intention, but you can see how "confidential" these things are.

Actually, after a lot of times involving in software purchases, I can say that price drop depends on both time and popularity factor. If one product is new, but it's not popular (such as Windows Vista), you can see almost everyone (except those still in denial) sell them quite cheap. Windows XP still have high value since it's still popular and from time to time, it's getting harder to get them, thus increasing the price. Now, retail version of Windows XP, especially sealed boxed, can jump as high as USD$500 (or more).

There's nothing wrong with surveying for better price for anything, it's just that you need to first control your greed and think clearly. If in doubt, you can always ask around (including me ) before making any purchases.

For me, it is a rare scene and i will really grab it if i come across such a promotion.

Microsoft is gonna stop Windows XP support within 3 years if not for 2 year's time, i am not gonna spend money on Windows XP already.

Surveying is a right of the consumer. But like i said, it is a rare scene to see cheap Windows software promotion for me.

When it comes to Microsoft Windows, i do not actually survey for a price because even if it is cheap, it would hardly be over than RM50 and with the time and risk involved, i think I'll pass about it.

On the contrary, Antivirus software really have to survey kaw kaw (cukup cukup).