i wanna join 3D team. hahahahaha... X)

Sure please come for interview. And again, please don't mention anything about me please..

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Added on September 14, 2010, 2:15 pm




Here is some of my animation practice... Just for sharing hahaha...

This post has been edited by Evil1980: Sep 14 2010, 02:15 PM

Wow, your animation is awesome! Did you do it traditionally or digitally?

Hehehe ... Digitally opkoz... More easy maa... I'm using Macromedia Flash 8.

Wow nice animation. As long as you don't do another bola kampung story. It's nice but too much already in Malaysia animation.

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Added on September 14, 2010, 2:51 pmNever involve the government when doing business. It always end up bad. Even if financially secure, you sell your soul to the devil, lol.

This post has been edited by LeechFever: Sep 14 2010, 02:51 PM

That's really true... But I'm just an ordinary animator. Work there to feed myself, or get out and find another job . Can not question my bosses decisions. Anyway, there will be another Bola Kampung title going on... It's not TV series anymore. I think it's because Bola Kampung our company can grown up to current state. Can not just throw it away may be.

Are you using Wacom-branded tablets? I'm curious..

Why? Will the gov do something to your production somehow?

And if I'm not mistaken, did Walt himself borrowed loans from banks or was it some other source in order to finance his first full length feature animation?

Why specifically have to be "kampung" theme based all the time or rather lazy idea like "kacang". Upin and lupin is good but still kampung based theme. I mean there are so much other better creative idea that is low cost and does not need complex background. And the only way to grow is to do away with repetitive theme and come up with something new. Animation need not have to be brilliant, but the story needs improvement.

I can imagine they argue that "Kampung" theme is more rooted to Malaysia culture but I hardly agreed on that. "Kampung" just another "village" and like the rest of the countries, the concept of village is not that unique in malaysia.

Another issue I have with Malaysia animation is the sound effect. Some animation is fine but it comes to sound, it feels very awkward and does not blend in well.

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Added on September 14, 2010, 3:34 pmBanks and government funds are different things lah. And seriously government funding is bad for business and yes, at times they will do somthing to the production like inserting pro government message. Unlike private entity, government are more "cincai". What that means, they care less about quality as long as there are result. Animators tend to get paid high but produce lower quality animation in hopes for higher profit. This actually encourage lazy syndrome in the company and people are less motivate to work harder. Look at some of the government funded companies and you can see they splurge money like no tomorrow but no quality behind their work. Even now, I see couple of pro government animation on TV, but very lousy quality.


This post has been edited by LeechFever: Sep 14 2010, 03:37 PM

Bola Kampung is the only title in our company that theme is about Malaysian culture. Other like ABC monster, Supa Strika, Ada ca dapra are completely other theme. Well, i think the theme kampung choosen to get government support. It is because that time the company are very new n need some financial support to grow up.

Lol, I have a feeling the company is going to have hard time getting out from government support and be independently financially.

Yaaa... I use Wacom... Old wacom tablet...

With gov grant, you can get started but under their condition and get to air at RTM, privately created animation have to pay the TV to air. The quality, theme or business is restricted in many ways. People did not know until they stumble upon such restrictions and gave up. After the startup, another critical issue is sustaining, yet another dilemma even big companies can suffer losses.

To draw a few or simple scene is fine but if the characters is repetitive, some comic have already adopted 3D toon render, Gorilaz is good example. I don't do such animation but the software I use can produce toon effect or with plugin for better render.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Sep 14 2010, 04:09 PM

Is that pool table still around? I miss it. I also miss my bachelor life!!!!

But serious, after all this years, nothing ever comes out of our studios that is considered voilent. Even for most studios i work with they all follow the same kiddy train.

Lol

What makes you say that?
Do you have any bad experience working with government?

I agree somewhat, but we have no choice to get fund.
Banks?
Angel Investors?

Ah, just how much they will lend me?

How I wish we have our own money and then produce an animation without limitation because it's our money.

That "kampung" and "sayur" theme is what I mean.
The theme itself is not interesting and hot as romance or atleast slice of life, how can we expect to sell them.

I agree with you about the sound effects as well the voice actor and the script, most importantly.

We really need improvement... let's do it step by step thou.

About what you said is true.
They just want to filled up the quota so they can fill in the report for the current Rancangan Kewangan Malaysia.
Mean, it's executed.

but how I wish to take that advantage from government and use up the money that they gave to produce a serious work and not just to get the work done.
Because I'm not shallow minded people who want to take profits from the money given to produce the animation.
I've seen more wealthier money making opportunity if the animation is done in high quality and up to international standard.

Hope I will be there...

Something Malaysian but still doesn't have the traditional taste? Hmm... that's a new idea to begin but how?

And yeah, thanks for the info.
At first I thought maybe some bank are associated with the goverment, but hey, at least you cleared up my initial thoughts.

If you don't mind, may I asked what Wacom product you're using?

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Added on September 14, 2010, 10:26 pmDo you think Malaysia can sell out animes>Japan? Few friends here love'em and want to try produce it when they grow up.

And so, what other themes Malaysia can sell out other than the usual 'American' styles? It's gotta be unique right? Something Malaysia-cky

This post has been edited by LZ Zach: Sep 14 2010, 10:27 PM

I'm a little bit confused. Ok, I don't do business myself but I did take management course which include how to set up business and one method is to borrow from bank which I don't get what's the fuss about since this is usually the norm for people who have little money to jump start business. And to answer the previous post question on how Walt Disney got his funding to make Snow White, he borrow from the Bank of America. However, that's just one method. There are many other ways of getting funds aside from loan shark and government like getting partners and so forth.

And like I mention before, getting funds from government tend to end up bad or low quality because there are always almost no consequences especially in Malaysia. As long you show something they deemed "ok", you will get the cut regardless how badly it is done. And government do not worry about money or profit, because the money came from taxpayers. Did you not see how the government always fund/bail proton whenever they are having trouble? And look at the quality of their car. Mine have creaking sound a week later. To make matter worse, mindset of animators funded by government tends to get too comfortable and ends up doing a horrible job because by the end of the day they still get paid. Step by step? Dude, I wish that was true but do I need to wait another 50 years to see us up to par to at least China animation level? I find China's Astro Plan more entertaining, mind you. IMO opinion anyway, correct me if I'm wrong.

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Added on September 14, 2010, 10:43 pmDoes it have to "Malaysian" theme to sell? One can do fantasy/sci-fi with no affiliation to any countries, race or religion. Is Spiderman concept based on "American" theme? I believe the creator just came across a spider and have a light bulb on top of his head. Hang Tua......ok, scrap that. You can come up with a fictitious character from old era of Hang Tuah and make a warrior cartoon out of that. Perhaps how they fight of British and whatnot mythical monster. Even American have to borrow stories from other countries/culture like the Greeks. I don't really see what so shameful about that.


This post has been edited by LeechFever: Sep 14 2010, 10:43 PM

I'm not too educated to talk about that, hehehehe... I'm just try hard to make every scene I animate look really good, coz my boss gonna adjust my salary up if he see me doing my best and help the company grow good.

Ok so, if we wait another 50 years just to expect Malaysia to be on the same level at least China's standard but what about US or Canada? By then, probably they'd dominate the entertainment industry and I don't think there is little space reserved for us to catch on in this industry.
Maybe I'm a little naive and you comment on me later but someone's got to be the initiater or the 'changer' in our country, right? Or else maybe we'll still end up stuck in the 'Kampung-lagi-style'.

But I do notice that a handful local animation & gaming companies are stepping up towards that goal.

Not arguing. There are some locals who really are stepping up but their work mostly only recognized overseas and little was known that it came from Malaysia. And I'm not expecting Malaysia to be a leading animator at all (in fact quite impossible in regards to how Malaysian society view animation and associate it with morals and culture). Unlike America or Japan, I believe Malaysian have less freedom in venturing adult theme animation. Basically we are stuck at kiddy level.

We can debate on this till the end of time.

Reality is we will never catch up with our competitors no matter how much MSC rave about taking iniative to do anything. Even if we manage to get involve in some kind of collab with another overseas studio, we are only there because we are cheap labour. And even then that possibility doesn't seem too bright anymore since China is making WAY better progress. Hell, their animators can produce better quality then my seniors. Majority of the guys who own these studios are power hungry maniacs that have no idea what they are doing.

Another problem here is that employers think animators are an endless reservior of slaves ready to be used and thrown away. Most of the guys in the industry now are veterans, new blood is hard too find and even harder to keep. The way things are going now, im not even sure we have enough talents to combat even india.

This post has been edited by meetxj9: Sep 14 2010, 11:18 PM