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post Sep 14 2010, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(LZ Zach @ Sep 14 2010, 10:20 PM)
Do you think Malaysia can sell out animes>Japan? Few friends here love'em and want to try produce it when they grow up.

And so, what other themes Malaysia can sell out other than the usual 'American' styles? It's gotta be unique right? Something Malaysia-cky hmm.gif
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In my opinion, Malaysia CAN SELL anime to Japan IF and ONLY IF that anime is dubbed in Japanese.
Creating whole new concept, OP, ED, and all the insert songs in JP.
Just re-use the Malaysian made animation.
If the storyline is appealing, I bet they will be acceptable.
Then maybe we can get an award like so called, "Best Foreign Animation Studio Company In Japan".
Beside, Japanese like "Mareshia" don't you forget that.... rclxms.gif

As for US, some of them prefer buying original DVD dubbed in Japan and subbed in English.
What that mean to you?

Me too, prefer the original DVD dubbed in Japan and subbed in English.

QUOTE(LeechFever @ Sep 14 2010, 10:33 PM)
And like I mention before, getting funds from government tend to end up bad or low quality because there are always almost no consequences especially in Malaysia. As long you show something they deemed "ok", you will get the cut regardless how badly it is done. And government do not worry about money or profit, because the money came from taxpayers. Did you not see how the government always fund/bail proton whenever they are having trouble? And look at the quality of their car. Mine have creaking sound a week later. To make matter worse, mindset of animators funded by government tends to get too comfortable and ends up doing a horrible job because by the end of the day they still get paid. Step by step? Dude, I wish that was true but do I need to wait another 50 years to see us up to par to at least China animation level? I find China's Astro Plan more entertaining, mind you. IMO opinion anyway, correct me if I'm wrong.
I think you can't blame the animators.

They work based on how well they are paid.

If the host, the person who ask the fund from the government want to keep the money for himself and pay the animators less money.
It would be the host to be blame, not the government and not the animators who give crappy work.

Government sectors of course they did not care how bad the quality is.

But let's say one day they INSIST their applicants to deliver a quality project which is not enough funded, how?

It's now depends on the host mindset.
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post Sep 15 2010, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(wgn_white @ Sep 14 2010, 11:19 PM)
In my opinion, Malaysia CAN SELL anime to Japan IF and ONLY IF that anime is dubbed in Japanese.
Creating whole new concept, OP, ED, and all the insert songs in JP.
Just re-use the Malaysian made animation.
If the storyline is appealing, I bet they will be acceptable.
Then maybe we can get an award like so called, "Best Foreign Animation Studio Company In Japan".
Beside, Japanese like "Mareshia" don't you forget that....  rclxms.gif

As for US, some of them prefer buying original DVD dubbed in Japan and subbed in English.
What that mean to you?

Me too, prefer the original DVD dubbed in Japan and subbed in English.
I think you can't blame the animators.
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I wondering...so this means if Malaysia was to make its own anime, but what if the quality or style doesn't match? Even with the dubs and voice acting,etc in Japanese? Will it still get positive feedback there?
I've never really heard of any country making anime other than Japan itself.

Oh, and what's 'Mareshia'? whistling.gif
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post Sep 15 2010, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(LZ Zach @ Sep 15 2010, 09:42 AM)
I wondering...so this means if Malaysia was to make its own anime, but what if the quality or style doesn't match? Even with the dubs and voice acting,etc in Japanese? Will it still get positive feedback there?
I've never really heard of any country making anime other than Japan itself.

Oh, and what's 'Mareshia'? whistling.gif
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You do know that Japan outsourced most animation to Korea right? If you look at the end credit, most will find Korean names instead of Japanese. Don't forget "Avatar the air bender" is technically not made by Japan at all. Then again the terms "Anime" refer specifically to "animation made by Japan" so you can't really say "anime made by Malaysia".
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post Sep 15 2010, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(LeechFever @ Sep 15 2010, 10:50 AM)
You do know that Japan outsourced most animation to Korea right? If you look at the end credit, most will find Korean names instead of Japanese. Don't forget "Avatar the air bender" is technically not made by Japan at all. Then again the terms "Anime" refer specifically to "animation made by Japan" so you can't really say "anime made by Malaysia".
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Oh, I didn't know that. But what kind of work does the Koreans do who are involve in the anime production since you said they outsource it?
Care to explain a little deeper? hmm.gif

I do know that Avatar isn't made by Japan but some Americans instead, but the story is really interesting.
So finally, the term 'Anime' only applies to animation made by Japan? Too bad I guess Malaysia's gotta get another style of animation I guess.

This post has been edited by LZ Zach: Sep 15 2010, 11:08 AM
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post Sep 15 2010, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(LZ Zach @ Sep 15 2010, 11:07 AM)
Oh, I didn't know that. But what kind of work does the Koreans do who are involve in the anime production since you said they outsource it?
Care to explain a little deeper? hmm.gif

I do know that Avatar isn't made by Japan but some Americans instead, but the story is really interesting.
So finally, the term 'Anime' only applies to animation made by Japan? Too bad I guess Malaysia's gotta get another style of animation I guess.
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The animation of course. The direction and dubbing could be by Japan. Claymore is good example. Besides, not only Japan outsource to Korea but American (The Simpsons) as well.

Avatar is not drawn by white American per se, possibly by Korean origin based in America according to the ending credit. In fact looks more like directed by a Mexican if not mistaken. Check wiki.

"Anime" is a pronounciation or word in Japanese for "animation". Kinda like "Kamikaze" to "Suicide". Somehow it came to the point people start differentiating between anime and ordinary animation based on drawing style and where it came from.

However that's just what I know and may be wrong.
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post Sep 15 2010, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(LZ Zach @ Sep 15 2010, 09:42 AM)
I wondering...so this means if Malaysia was to make its own anime, but what if the quality or style doesn't match? Even with the dubs and voice acting,etc in Japanese? Will it still get positive feedback there?
I've never really heard of any country making anime other than Japan itself.

Oh, and what's 'Mareshia'? whistling.gif
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Actually, Spiderman is also anime. brows.gif

It's just Japanese accent saying Malaysia as Mareshia... biggrin.gif


QUOTE(LZ Zach @ Sep 15 2010, 11:07 AM)
Oh, I didn't know that. But what kind of work does the Koreans do who are involve in the anime production since you said they outsource it?
Care to explain a little deeper? hmm.gif

I do know that Avatar isn't made by Japan but some Americans instead, but the story is really interesting.
So finally, the term 'Anime' only applies to animation made by Japan? Too bad I guess Malaysia's gotta get another style of animation I guess.
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They outsource to the Korea to draw the "movement" frame such as walking. Jump or even the lips.
Actually the oursourced company just trace and copy the original artwork.
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post Sep 15 2010, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(Evil1980 @ Sep 14 2010, 01:15 PM)
Sure please come for interview. And again, please don't mention anything about me please..


Added on September 14, 2010, 2:15 pmuser posted image
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Here is some of my animation practice... Just for sharing hahaha...
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im just kidding. haha. i already have some planning in near future, but who knows in further future right? smile.gif
and even i wanna mention about u... ur boss probably dono who is Evil in lowyat. X)

wow... awesome animation
do u draw all these frame by frame over adobe flash???
1 sec 25 frames, with some action like this and probably some background etc.... how long it takes u to draw 10 seconds clip???

btw, mind if i ask how long u been inside 2D animation industry? do u do freelance?






avatar, the last air bender... concept idea storyline are made by american. animation are created in korea by korean.
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post Sep 15 2010, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(DeeteeCG @ Sep 15 2010, 03:59 PM)
im just kidding. haha. i already have some planning in near future, but who knows in further future right? smile.gif
and even i wanna mention about u... ur boss probably dono who is Evil in lowyat. X)

wow... awesome animation
do u draw all these frame by frame over adobe flash???
1 sec 25 frames, with some action like this and probably some background etc.... how long it takes u to draw 10 seconds clip???

btw, mind if i ask how long u been inside 2D animation industry? do u do freelance?
avatar, the last air bender... concept idea storyline are made by american. animation are created in korea by korean.
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Yaa... I draw it frame by frame using Macromedia Flash 8. How long it takes to do 10 seconds clip is depend on what the scene is about.
- If it fast action like ninja jumping everywhere and fighting, in 10 second there gonna lot of thing the ninja can do... I think already killed 3 or 4 guards by the time... That's gonna takes me 2 or 3 days to do...
- If it just talking in 10 second, and half body shot, well... Just give me 3 or 4 hour, It'll be done.
- Background is other department job. I just do animating.

I already 5 years in 2D animation. And I only have talent in drawing (not in animation) when I first join here. I learn everything about animation here in my studio. Freelance... Yes.
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post Sep 15 2010, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(Evil1980 @ Sep 15 2010, 04:35 PM)
Yaa... I draw it frame by frame using Macromedia Flash 8. How long it takes to do 10 seconds clip is depend on what the scene is about.
- If it fast action like ninja jumping everywhere and fighting, in 10 second there gonna lot of thing the ninja can do... I think already killed 3 or 4 guards by the time... That's gonna takes me 2 or 3 days to do...
- If it just talking in 10 second, and half body shot, well... Just give me 3 or 4 hour, It'll be done.
- Background is other department job. I just do animating.

I already 5 years in 2D animation. And I only have talent in drawing (not in animation) when I first join here. I learn everything about animation here in my studio. Freelance... Yes.
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i see. thanks for the info smile.gif
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post Sep 17 2010, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(Evil1980 @ Sep 15 2010, 04:35 PM)
Yaa... I draw it frame by frame using Macromedia Flash 8. How long it takes to do 10 seconds clip is depend on what the scene is about.
- If it fast action like ninja jumping everywhere and fighting, in 10 second there gonna lot of thing the ninja can do... I think already killed 3 or 4 guards by the time... That's gonna takes me 2 or 3 days to do...
- If it just talking in 10 second, and half body shot, well... Just give me 3 or 4 hour, It'll be done.
- Background is other department job. I just do animating.

I already 5 years in 2D animation. And I only have talent in drawing (not in animation) when I first join here. I learn everything about animation here in my studio. Freelance... Yes.
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Encik Apai ker?... style lebih kurang nie...
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post Sep 17 2010, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(IufiZero @ Sep 17 2010, 05:05 PM)
Encik Apai ker?... style lebih kurang nie...
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Alamak!! terkantoi pulak!!! sweat.gif
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post Sep 19 2010, 02:05 AM

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Hmm.. RM 60K.. that's expensive...
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post Sep 19 2010, 11:02 AM

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Uh, one of my acquaintance have started a new anime project of 13 episodes.

Overall production cost him MYR 1.3 million.

I don't know which studio will produce this and I'm not sure how long one episode will be.

But if rawly counting 1.3 million divided equally among 13 episodes, it would be 100K for one episode production?

But for sure this animation will not adapt any Japanese style of animation...

Ah~ I ask him to shed some way but still no reply... laugh.gif
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post Sep 19 2010, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(wgn_white @ Sep 19 2010, 11:02 AM)
Uh, one of my acquaintance have started a new anime project of 13 episodes.

Overall production cost him MYR 1.3 million.

I don't know which studio will produce this and I'm not sure how long one episode will be.

But if rawly counting 1.3 million divided equally among 13 episodes, it would be 100K for one episode production?

But for sure this animation will not adapt any Japanese style of animation...

Ah~ I ask him to shed some way but still no reply...  laugh.gif
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Wow, seriously? In Malaysia? But 1.3 million...that's a huge numbers for a Malaysian producers compared to American counterparts...

May I know about the name of the anime & also how many people are working on it? tongue.gif
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post Sep 19 2010, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(LZ Zach @ Sep 19 2010, 11:15 AM)
Wow, seriously? In Malaysia? But 1.3 million...that's a huge numbers for a Malaysian producers compared to American counterparts...

May I know about the name of the anime & also how many people are working on it? tongue.gif
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Seriously... Upin and Ipin pilot episode were costing RM150K before they mass production which cost RM6 millions.

And there's some trailer of Saladin cost RM20 millions for only trailers... shocking.gif

But both of Upin and Ipin and Saladin is a 3D...

This guy, he didn't tell anything else other than the number of episodes and the project started at June 2010.
Maybe it's a trade secret or whatever...

He got funding from MeDC which what I am aiming for as well.... sweat.gif

p/s: Was MeDC the same with SKMMM?
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post Sep 19 2010, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(wgn_white @ Sep 19 2010, 11:22 AM)
Seriously... Upin and Ipin pilot episode were costing RM150K before they mass production which cost RM6 millions.

And there's some trailer of Saladin cost RM20 millions for only trailers...  shocking.gif

But both of Upin and Ipin and Saladin is a 3D...

This guy, he didn't tell anything else other than the number of episodes and the project started at June 2010.
Maybe it's a trade secret or whatever...

He got funding from MeDC which what I am aiming for as well....  sweat.gif

p/s: Was MeDC the same with SKMMM?
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From one guy's post I've read, he said those figures are like peanuts compared to American or Canadian production! shocking.gif
But what if Malaysian producers made animation shows in 2D? Would that cost less than 3D?

Funding? Wow, but do you actually need an explicit reason to get it? Is it the same as gov fund?

Btw, I don't really know what's SKMMM... sorry rclxub.gif
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post Sep 19 2010, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(LZ Zach @ Sep 19 2010, 11:55 AM)
From one guy's post I've read, he said those figures are like peanuts compared to American or Canadian production! shocking.gif
But what if Malaysian producers made animation shows in 2D? Would that cost less than 3D?

Funding? Wow, but do you actually need an explicit reason to get it? Is it the same as gov fund?

Btw, I don't really know what's SKMMM... sorry rclxub.gif
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To get the fund? Reason? No?

Lol

We need a good storyline, a proposal, a proof of concept and also some "cable".

So far... I have all except "a proposal"... icon_rolleyes.gif

Actually the guy's post was correct... If we compare to RM60K for production cost only, RM 1.3 million is actually not enough.... whistling.gif
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post Sep 19 2010, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(wgn_white @ Sep 19 2010, 12:07 PM)
To get the fund? Reason? No?

Lol

We need a good storyline, a proposal, a proof of concept and also some "cable".

So far... I have all except "a proposal"...  icon_rolleyes.gif

Actually the guy's post was correct... If we compare to RM60K for production cost only, RM 1.3 million is actually not enough....  whistling.gif
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'Cable'? Do you mean distributors?

What are the odds if Malaysia could ever catch up with American producers in terms of huge budgets in productions? shakehead.gif (unlikely?)
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post Sep 19 2010, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(LZ Zach @ Sep 19 2010, 12:26 PM)
'Cable'? Do you mean distributors?

What are the odds if Malaysia could ever catch up with American producers in terms of huge budgets in productions?  shakehead.gif (unlikely?)
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My... how old are you friends? biggrin.gif


"Cable" is a person you know inside the organization which can help you to achieve something....

For example, you want to work at CISCO... and at the mean time your cousin is already working at CISCO as HR executive...

Here, your cousin is the "cable" icon_rolleyes.gif

Well, let's hope to the day where Malaysian producer will be able to produce an animation with high budget and quality... but first... let's start with ourself buying the original DVD.... whistling.gif
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post Sep 19 2010, 05:12 PM

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No point high budget and quality if the plot is horrible. Upin and Lupin is decent and near average but I won't called it epic. Seems like we are celebrating something someone in other countries have accomplished decades ago. Jimmy Neutron is more entertaining IMO and don't get me started with cicakman...<sigh>. I always thought one must try master 2D first before venturing 3D. Apparently we did it backward lol.

Though there is one animation (2D and 3D combined) I wish to see that is "War of the worlds: Goliath". Heard sometime ago that the concept art and funding are from Malaysia. Supposedly dvd release on Feb 2010 yet nothing. Even googling produce scarce info. Someones been lazy and cheap in marketing, lol.

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