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post Jan 8 2014, 08:36 AM

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http://wccftech.com/amd-kaveri-apu-a107850...faster-directx/

any discussion about coming AMD APU A10-7850K?

With R7 graphic included, this would make good choice for lower budget RIG build.
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post Jan 8 2014, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(imbibug @ Jan 7 2014, 09:47 PM)
Bulldozer doesn't have an APU architecture. Bulldozer was always going to be competing with Intel's big core cpus.
The first APUs the Fusion/HSA line starting with the Llano which has an integrated gpu. Trinity and the upcoming Kaveri have more hardware which provides better integration of the cpu/gpu.

You're correct about the Llano using K10 cores. I got mixed up because AMD skipped over K9.
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I didn't say Bulldozer has an APU architecture. I said it was a template for future CPUs used in APUs. E.g. Piledriver used in Trinity. Steamroller used in Kaveri. That was its sole purpose.

AMD was never going to have enough resources to create two different CPU designs for two different applications (one for CPU and one for APU was just never going to happen). So they chose to make one design only which was optimized for APUs because they saw that as the future.

QUOTE(avex88 @ Jan 8 2014, 08:36 AM)
http://wccftech.com/amd-kaveri-apu-a107850...faster-directx/

any discussion about coming AMD APU A10-7850K?

With R7 graphic included, this would make good choice for lower budget RIG build.
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It looks supremely interesting. But as always, it would be better to wait and see how it actually fares in real life. There are still too many unknowns. Power consumption, real world performance, pricing. Still, it would be interesting to see this in the laptop market and any small form factor PC such as a HTPC.
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jan 8 2014, 10:07 AM)
I didn't say Bulldozer has an APU architecture. I said it was a template for future CPUs used in APUs. E.g. Piledriver used in Trinity. Steamroller used in Kaveri. That was its sole purpose.

AMD was never going to have enough resources to create two different CPU designs for two different applications (one for CPU and one for APU was just never going to happen). So they chose to make one design only which was optimized for APUs because they saw that as the future.
It looks supremely interesting. But as always, it would be better to wait and see how it actually fares in real life. There are still too many unknowns. Power consumption, real world performance, pricing. Still, it would be interesting to see this in the laptop market and any small form factor PC such as a HTPC.
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Ok I don't disagree with your there.

What I was trying to say from my first reply to your post is that they couldn't have planned for Bulldozer to be a flop with lower ipc compared with the K10 with such low integer workload performance. AMD certainly did not plan to shed 1/3 of its headcount from 2007 vs today. AMD couldn't have planned to for its market share of the high margin server segment to crash from 2006. AMD didn't plan to have to shell out big bucks to GF to reduce their purchase commitment in Dec 2012 because there was low demand for their BD/PD line. This all happened because AMD executives were making out big time back then, their employee morale was low and AMD was bleeding talent so its no surprise that their subsequent products were subpar.
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post Jan 11 2014, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(avex88 @ Jan 8 2014, 08:36 AM)
http://wccftech.com/amd-kaveri-apu-a107850...faster-directx/

any discussion about coming AMD APU A10-7850K?

With R7 graphic included, this would make good choice for lower budget RIG build.
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but when Kaveri only land here? hmm.gif why so long vmad.gif
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post Jan 12 2014, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(djlah @ Jan 11 2014, 02:29 PM)
but when Kaveri only land here?  hmm.gif  why so long  vmad.gif
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Looks like goldfries have them for benchmarking hmm.gif

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post Jan 13 2014, 12:43 PM

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Kaveri's benchmark leaked... U can take a peek before AMD order it to be taken down...

http://foro.noticias3d.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=421821

kind of sad... it can't match core I3+HD7750 combo. *sigh

without "accelerated application"(mantle, OpenCL & etc), Kaveri is no different than richland and trinity except the TDP...

Any idea on local availability of Kaveri product... I want to buy A87600 & ditch the e350!!!
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No news on the new Kaveri Processor? Should be today the launch day right? Heard it will only crossfire with R7 240 & R7 250 ddr3 variation only. Is this right? If its real, this show the igpu quite weak.
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AMD Kaveri Review: A8-7600 and A10-7850K Tested

Review is out. For casual users like me who just want to play a good Fifa'14 and some lightroom processing. It seems like there are not much improvements over A10-6800k?
Was holding out to build my SFF until Kaveri is released, now waiting for the pricing in Malaysia..
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Looks like the major improvement is in the IGP.. whereas the cpu performance doesnt increase much from richland hmm.gif

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post Jan 15 2014, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(Patent @ Jan 15 2014, 07:49 AM)
Looks like the major improvement is in the IGP.. whereas the cpu performance doesnt increase much from richland hmm.gif
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CPU clock is lower if you read the reviews thoroughly. If anandtech have some brains they would do clock-to-clock comparison. Their review is absurd putting top-of-the-line i7 4770K in the mix and then say top Intel offering beats it in minimum framerate in Company of Heroes 2, they should highlight the review item NOT the top of the line parts. They should say instead that AMD despite using integrated GPU and weaker core managed to go foot-on-foot with Intel best. Stupid biased site.

They should put quad core AMD FX-4xxx series and Phenom II in the mix to see for improvement and whether if its worth the upgrade.
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post Jan 15 2014, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(febreze2xxx @ Jan 14 2014, 10:23 PM)
No news on the new Kaveri Processor? Should be today the launch day right? Heard it will only crossfire with R7 240 & R7 250 ddr3 variation only. Is this right? If its real, this show the igpu quite weak.
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I really really interested want to find out the confirmation about it. in before launch, some said the closer is HD7750 GDDR3. hopefully goldfries can public his review on this as soon as possible.

QUOTE(Patent @ Jan 15 2014, 07:49 AM)
Looks like the major improvement is in the IGP.. whereas the cpu performance doesnt increase much from richland hmm.gif
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AMD now uses Compute Cores term for APUs

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Kaveri is the first true APU, where the GPU is not just for gaming, it can actually do much more. 
VR-ZONE Review


overclock.net forum review:
[AMDFX] A10-7850K (R5-200M) + R7-240 in Hybrid Crossfire - over 500% the GPU performance of Iris!...

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AMD A-Series "Kaveri" Performs Better with Dual-Rank DIMMs

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post Jan 24 2014, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Jan 15 2014, 08:37 PM)
CPU clock is lower if you read the reviews thoroughly. If anandtech have some brains they would do clock-to-clock comparison. Their review is absurd putting top-of-the-line i7 4770K in the mix and then say top Intel offering beats it in minimum framerate in Company of Heroes 2, they should highlight the review item NOT the top of the line parts. They should say instead that AMD despite using integrated GPU and weaker core managed to go foot-on-foot with Intel best. Stupid biased site.

They should put quad core AMD FX-4xxx series and Phenom II in the mix to see for improvement and whether if its worth the upgrade.
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The review did state that the new Kaveri was alot more efficient per clock so I don't get your point. Their previous reviews (and reviews elsewhere) normally include a low end discrete card for comparison, so its not like that website tried to paint Kaveri in a bad light.

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QUOTE(imbibug @ Jan 24 2014, 10:51 PM)
The review did state that the new Kaveri was alot more efficient per clock so I don't get your point. Their previous reviews (and reviews elsewhere) normally include a low end discrete card for comparison, so its not like that website tried to paint Kaveri in a bad light.
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They saying COH2 is a tough game, why don't they say Kaveri done well in this game instead of this?

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With COH2 extreme settings, the Intel solutions are moving up the minimum FPS ranks to beat AMD.


Why make such statement when the difference is just less than a couple of frame per second difference? I may be nitpicking but it is annoying they focus on other solution when that solution is more expensive and the differences is negligible
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QUOTE(Najmods @ Jan 24 2014, 11:48 PM)
They saying COH2 is a tough game, why don't they say Kaveri done well in this game instead of this?
Why make such statement when the difference is just less than a couple of frame per second difference? I may be nitpicking but it is annoying they focus on other solution when that solution is more expensive and the differences is negligible
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OK I had a good look at the review and the statement you were talking about refers to the iris pro beating out the Kaveri. While it seems unfair, it doesn't spoil the rest of the review. That review website has a special section for AMD and takes money from that company. They are trying to look even handed especially after getting criticised for their method of reviewing Trinity.
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QUOTE(Patent @ Jan 12 2014, 02:26 PM)
Looks like goldfries have them for benchmarking  hmm.gif

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=782...&type=1&theater
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yup. http://www.goldfries.com/hardware-reviews/...sor-apu-review/

published on 15th - support local! biggrin.gif

*btw Kaveri discussion in Bulldozer / Bobcat thread? Anyway Kaveri doesn't hold any performance crown. It is however, a great technology package that opens the avenue to many possibilities.
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post Jan 27 2014, 02:49 PM

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Some shops say *may be* after CNY... BTW, FM2+ motherboard is kind of rare in LYP. Not many shop selling this item.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jan 25 2014, 11:57 AM)
yup. http://www.goldfries.com/hardware-reviews/...sor-apu-review/

published on 15th - support local! biggrin.gif

*btw Kaveri discussion in Bulldozer / Bobcat thread? Anyway Kaveri doesn't hold any performance crown. It is however, a great technology package that opens the avenue to many possibilities.
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Any news when it will be on our shore? Thinking of getting the A10-7850k if the BF4 free game still valid. laugh.gif

QUOTE(yhsiau @ Jan 27 2014, 02:49 PM)
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Some shops say *may be* after CNY... BTW, FM2+ motherboard is kind of rare in LYP. Not many shop selling this item.
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There are already being sell in the market. Just some seller are illiterate regarding socket fm2+ on a88 chipset mobo they still put it same category as fm2. The itx model quite rare since i cant get one from lyp. I already using 1 fm2+ mobo pair it with my A10-5800K proc since november last year bought it at lyp. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(febreze2xxx @ Jan 27 2014, 03:47 PM)
There are already being sell in the market. Just some seller are illiterate regarding socket fm2+ on a88 chipset mobo they still put it same category as fm2. The itx model quite reare since i cant getone from lyp. I already using 1 fm2+ mobo pair it with my A10-5800K proc since november last year bought it at lyp. laugh.gif
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mind to share which fm2+ mobo you're using now? and how much?
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post Jan 27 2014, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(djlah @ Jan 27 2014, 03:49 PM)
mind to share which fm2+ mobo you're using now? and how much?
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I'm using Asus A88X-PRO. That time I bought it for RM 415.

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QUOTE(febreze2xxx @ Jan 27 2014, 03:56 PM)
I'm using Asus A88X-PRO. That time I bought it for RM 415.
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thanks for sharing.... now I'm considering ASRock FM2A88X Extreme6+

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