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post Nov 13 2013, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(djlah @ Nov 13 2013, 10:28 AM)
still cannot found the official confirm answer, my guess is either is 7750 or Radeon R7 260X.

from the slide below only tell GPU comparison with Intel but CPU side unknown:

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I believe AMD can't improve Float point operations speed... that's why they rely on HSA to let the GPU do most of the floating point jobs based on those charts shown in APU13.
They keep on highlighting the GPU part(they showed no information about streamroller). Mantle or other software optimisation are the vital key to AMD APU's sucess. We can have afforable (maya, photoshop and etc) workstations/poweful game machines in the future only if Mantle/other APU software optimisation tool adoption were successful.

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post Nov 13 2013, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(shin gouki @ Nov 13 2013, 04:45 PM)
This looks promising. I'm hoping to get this APU next year. I have some confidence on the APU at least the PS4 and Xbox1 is using AMD APU with unified shared memory. I think AMD won't screw up that easily....
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The reason of $ony & M$ choose AMD's APU solution is because its cheaper to produce... it offers fairly good processing speed. Both camps are avoiding the IBM's expensive solutions(POWER PC)...
If Kaveri can defeat Haswell I5(I wish)... Intel should start to worry about its incoming broadwell.

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post Nov 16 2013, 07:46 AM

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some openCL optimised software maybe can... but, its still too early to tell.
AMD did hype and dissappoint us with bulldozer. sad.gif

AMD knew its upcoming FX chip(whatsoever construction machines) can't compete with intel, they are focusing on APU.
GF still having problems with 28nm... the incoming kaveri is produced by TSMC.

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post Nov 17 2013, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(febreze2xxx @ Nov 16 2013, 11:43 AM)
So meaning no 28nm kaveri on desktop variant or slower production time? hmm.gif
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Apple A7 chips take up most of the TSMC menufacturing capacity and its barely enough to make slots for producing chips for other chips(i.e. NV, AMD, Qualcomm & etc).
Lets hope that AMD's 500M usd loan can help for researching & developing better APU technologies.

I think its wise to neglect FX lineup as AMD hasn't come up anything good to counter Intel best offer. I hope AMD can tune GCN well to fuse into their APU. Intel is going after ARM which can give AMD some breaks to recover its mistakes. AMD can't afford to make any more mistakes..
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post Jan 5 2014, 03:19 PM

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imblibug Mantle - the way it mean to be "paid" in red color. BF4 mantle version will be available on end of this month. Its too early to tell whether it will be success or not.

AMD messed up badly in last 7 years is due to management issues. Lets hope Mr Rory can guide AMD to get out of troubles. HSA is AMD's the biggest bet.

Most of members of HSA foundation still wait and see how AMD's implementation on X86 and ARM cores. They never announce anything about HSA implementation on their product yet.

QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jan 3 2014, 09:53 AM)
AMD will never match Intel blow for blow in a conventional market. Intel simply have too much money. Their fabs alone will keep them ahead. Let alone their core architecture improvements every tick tock.

AMD realises this, so they decided to be a market disruptor. They see potential in changing the conventional market from a cpu/gpu market to the apu. This allows them to keep a lead because Intel will not like nor want a disruption in the market, especially after they have invested so much and have created such a huge lead. This will cause Intel to be slow to adopt the new technology, allowing AMD to have some breathing space while they create the technology and the market for the apu.

They have sacrificed the past 7 or so years for this and now they are at the culmination of all their efforts. They are pushing HSA and things like mantel. Let's see if their gamble pays off. Personally, I thought it would be difficult for them to convince the market to change the programming landscape to take advantage of apus, but the recent XBox and PS4 wins changed all that. Those were brilliant wins. It looks like the market will adopt the new programming standards to take advantage of apus sooner rather than later.

Now the question becomes, how much of a lead AMD can make and how Intel will adjust to the market trends. Execution for AMD is critical here. They need to ensure their new core apus come out timely and perform up to par without the huge power consumption issues of Bulldozer (having ditched Global Foundries, that is less of an issue now). They need to ensure HSA and Mantel take off. With the XBox and PS4, they have the leverage to push these forward. They cannot make any mistakes and they need to hammer home their lead. Intel has already shown they can make cpu and gpu on die and shown they can catch up with Qualcomm in only 2 generations. And they have the advantage of a 14nm fab.
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AMD's product cycles are going to delay alot due to GF(incompetent and AMD still has to pay them...) and TSMC(manufacturing capacity). And this issues affect AMD's design considerations on many upcoming products. I believe Kaveri graphics might facing challengeds from Intel HD graphics(IRIS or later).

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post Jan 6 2014, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jan 6 2014, 11:15 AM)
I believe IRIS is still not on par with APUs, but they're now in the same ball park. It's frightening how Intel can catch up if they really want to.
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I think Intel is now focusing on mobile market(full scale assaults on ARM now), that's why it hold back its pressure on AMD. AMD better take advantage of this opportunity.
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post Jan 7 2014, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jan 7 2014, 09:12 AM)
Probably. And already, from reviews I read, they're already catching up in terms of power consumption and performance.

From Intel's perspective, there's no incentive for Intel to go into APU right now. They're probably gonna let AMD suffer through all the pains of creating a market for APUs alone and when the market is big enough, they'll just jump in and catch up within a couple of generations. No harm done to them. They'll just sit there and milk the current CPU market as kings of CPU while they wait.
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Like this, AMD better prepare the incoming Excavator lineup product on time. I heard GF still struggling with 28nm productions I hope AMD can get rid of this bad partner. TSMC starts testing with 20nm production and Intel is running 14nm production as we speak.
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post Jan 13 2014, 12:43 PM

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Kaveri's benchmark leaked... U can take a peek before AMD order it to be taken down...

http://foro.noticias3d.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=421821

kind of sad... it can't match core I3+HD7750 combo. *sigh

without "accelerated application"(mantle, OpenCL & etc), Kaveri is no different than richland and trinity except the TDP...

Any idea on local availability of Kaveri product... I want to buy A87600 & ditch the e350!!!
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post Jan 27 2014, 02:49 PM

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Some shops say *may be* after CNY... BTW, FM2+ motherboard is kind of rare in LYP. Not many shop selling this item.

 

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