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 Nokia N8 V3, Coming Soon!!!

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andrekua
post Sep 7 2010, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(BBXiong @ Sep 7 2010, 10:42 PM)
am i the only one still hoping on the nokia rangers? lol....

actually, it makes me think, why suddenly they need our info instead of money if this is a scam??


Added on September 7, 2010, 10:47 pm

coz the Duke is back
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No, what possibly happened is that they initially think maybe wanna include some user amongst the reviewers but it didn't work out. Maybe we will still get invites to the product launch and that just it. I don't know what will happened now, but that's my assumption.
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QUOTE(Deswin @ Sep 7 2010, 11:12 PM)
if around 2k+ not worth err.. with symbian^3 n lack of app.. i just scroll through android market n i was like  drool.gif    actually i just like n8 coz of its largest imagin sensor on mobile phone only..
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Dont be surprised by the availability of the apps...

This is my assumption only but I think the possibility is high. Although its being called S3, there very core of it is still S60. I think Nokia wanna rebrand S60 Touch but as you can see from all the review that shows up, its still very S60 feel. The UI has a slight change where the N97 homescreen is now being extended to 3pages. Another slight change would be the Menu when its being rotated (forgive me as I havent own a N97 before thus not knowing if N97 also have keys at the bottom when rotated). Predictive text when full qwerty finally. What else? Cant see much from the review. Developers probably just have to make slight changes to their coding to adapt to the new S3.

QUOTE(zero_kbom @ Sep 7 2010, 11:12 PM)
Well....from my experience of getting into the Nokia Music Explorer program before, for the launching of X6, its is true as u said. Before the program kick off, the bloggers were 1st given a hands on to the phone in a separate event beforehand.
That's why I still have hopes on the program itself nod.gif

And please, make this thread as constructive as it can.
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post Sep 7 2010, 11:31 PM

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The app numbers in Android Market and AppStore is just for show off nia. It contain more trash than you would find in Nokia Ovi Store.
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QUOTE(jackyoboy @ Sep 7 2010, 11:31 PM)
I enjoy n8's design very much, but seeing it in pictorials for too long makes it look boring now..again, it's nokia's godlike strategy to make anticipating customers jump ship..the final decision now depends on what price they will whip out into the market  rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif
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One piece design is very nice. No creeks... to some extend better than my Legend as the plastic/rubberized cover is screwed to the alu body. One thing I like a lot is the uncovered micro usb. I really think the covered USB is very 'ma fan'. Worse if you broke it and it look ugly. And then again making a good decision to cover the HDMI slot which is rarely used.
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QUOTE(BBXiong @ Sep 7 2010, 11:48 PM)
same here...in fact, as much as i am interested, i don think i would get this phone if i were to buy it..Symbian 3 is new, and there's no guarantee Symbian 4 would be ported for it...i want something that is more future proof..
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Have you ever seen a Nokia Symbian phone getting newer version of S60? New firmware but not new revision...
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post Sep 8 2010, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(BBXiong @ Sep 8 2010, 12:02 AM)
once, N81, from FP1 to FP2
put that aside...that's why i said what i said...hope nokia will change this..i mean, wont a standardized OS version ease out app devs also?
i get what u mean, it's like N82 still gets update a while back, which is great, but still, we would still hope that it's been updated to FP2, with theme effects and all...there are some extra features that new OS has, and new firmware just cant/wont add. I believe maybe this is nokia's stratergy to push users to get new phone gua...

agree with u, since S3 devices will have GPU, i believe 3D games will come, and i will need hardware keyboard for that purpose too..hehe
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Thanks for updating me on that... but Nokia wont standardised their OS... thats why there is Qt...
Depends heavily on how much N8 Nokia can sell...

QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Sep 8 2010, 12:09 AM)
Yeah, finally agree something with u. I used Android Market, but MOST are TRASH. And even tried my nephew iPhone's App Store, alot of TRASH.  rclxub.gif
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Not hard to find someone to support something bad about Android in Nokia forum huh laugh.gif
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Sleeping time...

Must remember the 3 other types of memory in my dream...
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post Sep 8 2010, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(BBXiong @ Sep 8 2010, 12:39 PM)
actually i kept quiet..i am still rather confused...so there's no such thing as NAND RAM right? since from what i read NAND is stores sequentially, not random access
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The godlike phone has godlike feature...


Added on September 8, 2010, 4:12 pm
QUOTE(sklchan @ Sep 8 2010, 09:39 AM)
rclxm9.gif  Really??
About memory (especially apa itu so call NAND RAM):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Sep 8 2010, 11:06 AM)
I thought NAND is used only for mobile phone??
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Really dont know what is NAND?

NAND is just one of the variety of Flash based memory nia. I think its more appropriate if I used the word, storage.



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QUOTE(BBXiong @ Sep 8 2010, 04:12 PM)
you really have nothing else to talk about eh?  shakehead.gif
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You try to explain to 'that' fanboy and see his reply...

You replied godlike he straight away STFU...
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You wiki N900 and see...

The system has 256 MB of dedicated high performance RAM (Mobile DDR) paired with access to 768 MB swap space managed by the OS.[2] This provides a total of 1 GB of virtual memory.

At no time does the 768MB become RAM.

Explanation is simple. To process data, the processor fetch data from the RAM. Just view RAM as large space, being partition equally and being assigned an address to refer to. When the RAM is full, what the OS do is 'page' the idle slot in the ram to the Virtual Memory (In this case, the NAND).

To simplify it, you can see it as the OS 'saved' the current state of the specific program that it wanted to moved out of the RAM to make space for new app launching. In that sense, the app was no longer running as it claimed to be. So how can this be multi tasking as the 'PRO' claimed to be. N900 does not offer true multi tasking.

Anyone tried Windows Hibernate feature? After you hibernate, the computer already shutdown and by right it should lose all memory of the state on the programs that were running right before it hibernate. So how did the magic work?

Before the OS goes into hibernate mode, it will copy the whole content of the RAM inclusive of whats being in Virtual Memory (If there were any) onto the harddisk. So when you wake the computer from Hibernate mode, it will load the 'saved' data from the RAM and Virtual Memory back to to their respective place and therefore you will have the same 'state' like before you went into hibernate.
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QUOTE(BBXiong @ Sep 8 2010, 04:39 PM)
Applications that are put from RAM into Virtual Memory is still a process, just that it's in idle state, not terminated. The moment the app is being switched to, the information on Virtual Memory for that app will be copied into the RAM again, and it will run as how it is before you leave it. That is how multitasking is even at your desktop lar, just that obviously desktop have way higher amount of ram compared to phone, that you don see this often. If you say because virtual memory uses NAND and we are using RAM hence u got the term NAND RAM, then every windows desktop is running HDD RAM already lo  doh.gif

and seriously, pls stop your 'godlike' arguements already
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If app that is moved out of the RAM is idle, then iPhone OS also considered true multi tasking. It also saves the state of the app it moved out of the RAM without user's consent.
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 8 2010, 04:40 PM)
if u think he is right listen to him. i did my research and with facts. For those that want to learn pm me i glad to share. for tat noob u said it turn to ram i didnt. i said virtual memory wit aka

just read all their posts there only wat they say is right everyone's else info are crap.

its sad u dun even know the difference between virtual and phsycial ram.

cheers

i rest my case haha
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Then you should start by example and stop going into every Symbian Specific Phone threads and tell them their phone don't have NAND RAM. Why now only use virtual memory.
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QUOTE(BBXiong @ Sep 8 2010, 04:49 PM)
wrong, iPhone is not true multitasking because instead of the OS handling this part of the process, it needs the application to specificly code for it. A true multitasking would mean the OS would handle this part by default and the developer do not need to worry about it.

and like i said, the process info will only be moved out IF the RAM is full, otherwise it stays in the RAM
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My apology on the issue as I'm not really into iPhone OS multi tasking. I got it wrongly perhaps? But my point remains the same. How could you call it true multi task when the idling program is moved out of the RAM? Even though the OS handle the paging, its still not a fully multi task unless the ram is not full of course.

I still remain, all OS can multi task to a certain extend. There is no such thing as true multi tasking. I dont see why he has to go in some other forum and start his multi tasking and NAND RAM theory.

Its just how the magic works... no offense really...

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QUOTE(BBXiong @ Sep 8 2010, 05:15 PM)
well, no all applications need to be updated constantly, in fact, some of it u can just leave it there and come back with the same session without doing anything. Even if apps runs at the same time, deep down, the processor can only handle one thread at a time. the way multiple programs are running in the same time is to have 1 thread per program and multiple thread sharing the CPU process time together, and since CPU can only handle 1 thread, apart from the thread it is processing, the rest of the threads are forced idle for a short period of time. That is how multiple task share a single processor.
So from how it works, you see that even running task are 'idle' for a very short time, maybe a few hundred clock cycles that we couldnt possible notice. Letting the program idle is not the same as quitting the program, as for idle mode, the program will still have all the sessions, whereby when you quit, it would be eliminated(whether saved or not).
Also, not all programs need to be be running at all time, for instance, facebook, twitter or email apps, we leave them running in the background right? So maybe every few minutes they will fetch updates/new mails from their respective server. Only when they need to update, their process is being called and run, other time, they are put into an idle state.
Extend from the previous scenario, let's say you are browsing a webpage and is using full ram now, the OS would just need to put the app's session into the virtual memory, and when the app is being invoke for updates, it just need to swap maybe part of the browsers info that is being stored at the ram, and run the process, after that, swap back. It's still multitasking because the apps are running at the same time, and it's automatically handled by the OS itself
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Yes, with that should conclude the topic...

Different approach but all achieving the same thing. But there is still no NAND RAM.
However, I still dont believe we will find a truly fully multi tasking system.

BTW,

Thanks for updating me on Iphone OS multi task approach.. I think its a pretty interesting system compared to a normal paging system.

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QUOTE(sklchan @ Sep 8 2010, 05:23 PM)
service manual L3&4 tongue.gif

the official user guide stated the FM transmitter working range about 6 feets only nia... sigh thinking of listen to my mp3 transmiting across the whole hourse  doh.gif
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If one phone can transmit the area of a house, it would be hella scary with millions of phones being sold...
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QUOTE(BBXiong @ Sep 8 2010, 05:27 PM)
lol i don mind tuning to that  brows.gif
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But with MONO quality, a woman voice might turn into a manly voice...
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QUOTE(sklchan @ Sep 8 2010, 05:35 PM)
MONO?? confirmed?? i thought it's stereo  hmm.gif
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Stereo?
Really?
Someone pls double confirm...
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QUOTE(freakenstein @ Sep 8 2010, 05:44 PM)
I thought radios are all in Mono?
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At least N85, N78 and N79 are all in mono...
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QUOTE(BBXiong @ Sep 8 2010, 05:47 PM)
let's not forget the sound crackling as well   laugh.gif  thumbup.gif
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The interference with China phone is really high... will it kill your sperm? LOL... its a myth... who will bust it


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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 8 2010, 05:47 PM)
but ppl watching TV oh.. u cannot..  laugh.gif
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My dad bought one but after one day suddenly getting too hot in his pocket too scare to use it again... If Kabomm, burung pun hangus...

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QUOTE(freakenstein @ Sep 8 2010, 05:51 PM)
I mean those mp3s , but radio from online . The quality just isn't right. So i thought it was Mono tongue.gif
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Yeah, sure its stereo?

Im pretty sure its mono judging by the quality...

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