reminds me of a place i stayed a long time ago still with an outhouse......

heating is very expensive there, especially in winter...........generally, places where utilities are included, the heating will be centrally conrolled.....

if you stay in whole leased units with others, then you will have to pay for the utilities , and be prepared for big heating bills in spring.....(the bills come 3 monthly in the past, don't know about now).........

because 'normal' fees (ie local home students fees) is subsidised by the british government........there was a time in the past when local students paid no fees.......the 'normal' fees will likely increase as the gov cuts back on subsidy.......

in the distant past (your parents time) international students also pay no or little fees, through the generosity of the british tax payers.........

i think one has to look at each event in history with it's own merits, while recognising that they do influence each other.........

colonisation is a historical event, and indeed much resources was siphoned off by the colonising masters........this practice has always happened in the past, in various guises, either conquering or colonisation..........

provisions of free education to people of other nations is another historical event, and indeed drains on the generosity of the tax payers.........it is salient because they NEED NOT have to do so.........so it is to the credit of the developed commonwealth countries that they willingly do so, to help develop and ready the indigenous people of the newly independent ex-colonies to assume administrative responsibilities......that contrast jarringly with how historically, many other conquered/colonised countries part with their ex-masters..........

it has nothing to do with who writes history and their bias.....is the way msian history is written according the umno any different?.......it's about understanding events in the past, and coming to your own conclusions......there is no dispute that uk/oz/canada/nz need NOT provide free education to the ex-colonies........but they did......there was no legal compulsion......but there was moral compulsion......and due credit should be given to them for following their moral inclinations......

how these ex-colonies managed their own affairs is another story, and not a few people in many ex-colonies actually wish for the 'good old days' under the well administered british colonial service......

they were generous.......what else would you call it?......of course that generosity may have been provoked by guilt......but at least they acted on their guilt......they didn't have to.....

haya was referring to the msian context.......ie the effects and residual of british colonialism in msia.....

and exactly, if one compares with the americas experience, we should be thankful, rather than bitter and spiteful.........

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Added on November 3, 2010, 10:13 ami didn't say anything about gulity.....

please don't confuse gratefulness with guilt......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Nov 3 2010, 10:46 AM

please read carefully before replying..........

different english tests in different exams pitch english at different levels, and it is difficult, impossible to cross correlate grades from one into another.......even having done an english based pre-u like a levels says nothing about your english proficiency.......it is possible for someone with poor english (maybe ielts band 6) to have 3a's in a-level maths and science........

that's why a standardised test like ielts is useful......it tells the unis, AND the student himself/herself as well, exactly where a student is in english proficiency.......there are 2 types of ielts.....general use (mostly for migration purposes) and academic........

while many unis will accept alternative english benchmarks, major ones will want ielts, and in some cases, it is mandated by law by british border agency that the potential student have adequate english proficiency before they issue student visas (see the visa application form)......

note that there may be new requirements, from the uni and/or border agency, on english proficiency requirements........

like seriously.......

in addition, if the new rules goes through, it would mean scraping of tier 1 work after study visa, and an end to staying on to work after your studies.......everybody will have to leave.......

http://www.universityworldnews.com/article...101209192100914

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Added on December 10, 2010, 7:12 pmthe full details of the new proposal is here:

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecont...pdf?view=Binary

This post has been edited by limeuu: Dec 10 2010, 07:12 PM

The feeling i get from this is that the current british gov is somewhat ambivalent about student immigration........

it is well know that students who immigrated into the country of their education benefit the recipient country.........the country gains a young worker, well educated and familiar with the country, likely of high intellect, and likely to contribute a lifetime of labour to the country, including taxes.........

on the other hand, it is well know that less qualified (and less desirable) students do get in as well, under the cover of such student migration pathway.........

it's this later bit they are trying to close......

the question is, how to close entry for 'low level' immigrants, while allowing 'high quality' immigrants to come in.....

perhaps the british gov could learn something from the aussies, who have a long history of taking in significant immigration, and usually selecting the best........they didn't get it right all the time, as is seen in the recent change in policy (they have the same issues with people coming in to study languages, diploma, trade certs etc, and staying on), but they have generally been successful in taking in young well trained immigrants in the skills based part of the programme (independent skill based and region/employer sponsored migration accounts for 70+% of all migration)...........

why anyone would want to actually migrate permanently to uk, however, is another question.......

you don't have to estimate.....the requirement is gbp800/mth for london and 600 out of london, for 9 months (which is the actual academic year).....ie 7200 and 5400 respectively.....you only need to show funds for the 1st year.......

and of course your course fees for the 1st year, which is clearly shown in cas document from your uni......

you can avoid needing to translate the birth cert and letter from parent if the money is in your own account.......needs to be in the account for 30 days at least, as shown by a statement/bankbook dated not longer than 28 days before application.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jan 10 2011, 01:26 PM

you have lived too long in msia.......to think that you can 'buy' anything.....

answer is NO...........

students please note......

while it is not stated in their website so, british border agency now wants a cxr report(not the film) on first arrival for msians......

so get one done before you arrive...........otherwise they will do one for you on arrival, and charge for it, and delay your arrival process..........

chest xray

i wouldn't say much cheaper.......it depends on where in manchester you are talking about......but generally, it should be about 20% cheaper, mostly contributed by cheaper accommodation.....other expenses like food, transport, phone, intenet etc should be about the same.....

i am very serious.........whatever the reasons, the same applies to many other countries.........without the many down sides.......go stay and live there a bit, go live in us, canada, oz, even nz a bit......and you will know what i mean............

don't waste you money.......you do not need an agent for simple student visa.......

as for translation, you can avoid all that by having the funds required in your own account........your parents can transfer the required money (based on the figure in your cas document) temporarily to you account so you comply with the time requirements just before your application, and then transfer back again after.........

you can only apply for a student visa 3 months before you are due to start, so you cas document will only come at that time......if i take you situation correctly, you will start in september, so the earliest you can apply you visa is june......

there should not be a rush till august, when the a-level results are released, so really, it's not a problem......

that's the danger of reading a post without the context.......

i was talking about the UK not being a good place to migrate to......compared to other places like oz, us, canada , nz etc......