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Group LYN Buddhism Retreat - SERIOUS TALK, No trolling please

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hotjake
post Sep 26 2011, 02:47 PM

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what is this tered about berahs?
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post Sep 26 2011, 02:57 PM

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every conditioned thing is transient. nirvana is beyond condition, hence permanence and impermanence do not apply to it
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post Oct 10 2011, 05:18 PM

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working la dei
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post Oct 11 2011, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 11 2011, 09:59 AM)
do post here once in a while. im working too tongue.gif
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what u working as? intro intro your background in work, life, love & buddhism
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post Oct 11 2011, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 11 2011, 10:20 AM)
I'm working as IT support and im a Tibetan Buddhist tongue.gif I work in a company in Bandar Utama and has been Buddhist since young and i have always been attracted to Tibetan Buddhism since i was young. My parents are Theravarda with a bit of Mahayana.
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cool brah, let me guess... your guru is Tsem Tulku Rinpoche?
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post Oct 11 2011, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 11 2011, 10:35 AM)
yep how did you know? what do you think about him?
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he's a cool guru in my opinion and also based on my friend's description and the many videos posted.

damansara, nobody in tibetan buddhism as popular as him, berah.

i'm not into tibetan buddhism though.
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post Oct 11 2011, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 11 2011, 10:41 AM)
He is very strict when it comes to actual practice  tho. And very direct.

which flavor of buddhism do you subscribe to?
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Theravada by convention but i'm very open to the many schools of thought, a venerable calls it Hahayana.. heard of it?

here http://diydharma.org/which-yana-hahayana-ajahn-brahmavamso

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post Oct 11 2011, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 11 2011, 10:57 AM)
sounds like Buddhist Gem fellowship member tongue.gif

but its good to explore your options
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not a member but i've been there for talks before. i'm not seeking for options but better understanding, i find the many traditions complement each other rather than contradict. my attitude is simple - if i'm closed to other teachings, i'm an idiot who doesn't want to learn about the truth

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post Oct 11 2011, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 11 2011, 11:04 AM)
but if you practice them all its gonna be confusing at the end, each path is the right path but you cant take more than one at the same time.

thats what Tibetan Buddhism says anyway, its pretty much serious and heavy when it comes to Dharma
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what's so confusing...? the fundamental practice is the same, methods different. and it is humanly impossible to practice all things. take what works for you... u ain't doing it wrong, neither am i.

other traditions have their fair share of seriousness and heaviness when it comes to dharma if you care to explore more than what is perceived or on face value.
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post Oct 11 2011, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Oct 11 2011, 11:16 AM)
what's so confusing...? the fundamental practice is the same, methods different. and it is humanly impossible to practice all things. take what works for you... u ain't doing it wrong, neither am i.

other traditions have their fair share of seriousness and heaviness when it comes to dharma if you care to explore more than what is perceived or on face value.
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one example i can give u is the meditation methods. many of the kasinas meditation are actually categorised as samatha meditation in theravada, which brings to calm and absorption. i find the many mantras are similar in this goal, although it require invoking the various deities of the mantras. the methods different... if Buddha was adamant and strict that his 6 years of dera sendiri practice is the way, he wouldn't have achieved nirvana, would he?

click the link i gave u and listen till the part where this venerable was having discussions with monks from different traditions

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post Oct 11 2011, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 11 2011, 11:31 AM)
in tibetan buddhism its more like you focus and put all your energies in one method. the past sages have always been saying that having too many practices and not focusing in any will result in nothing in the end.

yep going serious in the Dharma requires conviction, maturity and commitment. It's pretty scary but im working towards there.
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i think u got me wrong, when doing practice proper we need to go with one method u're most well-versed with. read my edited explanation again. and if can. listen to the link i gave u if u don know i'm getting at

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post Oct 11 2011, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 11 2011, 11:37 AM)
Yep all mantras are the same and all the Buddhas and deities are the manifestation of the Buddha himself but due to our delusions and needs we see him as different things. But the usages of Mantras, Sadhanas (practices/methods) differ in Tibetan Buddhism a little. Meditation on a deity or using the mantra is to plant seeds in our minds and also shape our minds to be that of the meditation deity and not to just attain calm and absorption. You can take on the qualities of the particular Buddha you focus on when done correctly and over a period of time.

If the Buddha was not adamant in finding the answers and after 6 years he said "forget it, im going back to the palace" or if he said "im done with hinduism, lets try jainism next", we wont have anything at all tongue.gif
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yes it is that attitude we should adopt when practising. try listen to the link till the end if u can and maybe u can see where i'm coming from.

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post Oct 11 2011, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(bai1101 @ Oct 11 2011, 12:02 PM)
How abt ppl that trust but not fully follow Buddhism?
eg: These may learn something basic during kid/teenage when attend junior class but nvr go into full practice when grow up. There believe what there learn just there nvr full practice it.

What are there consider as? Follower/Believer/other?
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don't have to be follower/believer. all you need to do is do more studies, research, practice and see your practice bear fruits and see how it affects you as a human being. if it's good and you like it, continue and delve deeper. it doesn't require blind faith/belief. that will come once your practice has established your firm confidence in the teachings.

if merely trust... the result is only trust and maybe some happiness knowing you trust and have faith in something. if u're happy to stop just there, nothing further can be gained experience wise i mean. if buddha only believe that he will become buddha one day and not go thru all the practice and countless trails and tribulations, can he become the buddha and pass on all his teachings?

all the rituals are just rituals. if you practice properly, the rituals that supposed and officially recognise you as a buddhist is not that important. wasn't required/demanded by Buddha at all. Buddha only ask you to come and test his teachings yourself. no blind faith is needed, much less encouraged

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post Oct 12 2011, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Oct 12 2011, 12:16 PM)
Interesting, Hotjake, have you ever tried Kasina meditation?

I know a bit of the theory, but I am not sure if there are any masters in KL to teach it. I heard it's quite popular in certain monasteries in Burma (samatha-based) and also in Thailand.

I think in KL the most popular samatha is ANapanasati and Metta. Other than that, maybe I am just being ignorant, I am not sure of the other Samatha being taught widely.
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Venerable Aggacitta taught me once in a dhamma camp (he was explaining the difference between samatha and vipassana to his students) but kinda difficult/din work for me or perhaps i should try harder lol. It's quite popular yes in burma and thailand.

Metta is very important to support vipassana; a very powerful tool to calm the mind down. Anapanasati is actually vipassana; it means mindfulness of the in and out breaths. methods may differ but if the principle/fundamental of the meditation is the same it is still vipassana meditation. However, in and out breaths can still be the object for Samatha Meditation; very difficult (due to its changing nature) but still can be done by discarding all other arising phenomena namely the 4 Spheres/Foundations of Mindfulness. in short, samatha's focus is to lead to absorption while vipassana: insight. however upon achieving absorption thru samatha it can be channeled to observing the four foundations of mindfulness which is vipassana and thus lead to insight/wisdom.

check out Anapanasati Sutta together with the all-important Satipatthana Sutta and also their commentaries/reviews by authors/notable monks for deeper explanations although it can be used as samatha solely if mind stays on breath alone and discard all arising phenomena required in vipassana.

one more thing to add, samatha's object is limitless. u can recite Coca-Cola/Pepsi all-day long without break and with concentration, u'd still get adsorbed in it/ even achieve absorption. try it.

oh ya, i'm not sure who in kl can teach kasina meditation too.

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post Oct 12 2011, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 12 2011, 04:15 PM)
Samantha: focusing on one object; results in Samadhi

Vipassana: introspection of the self; results in wisdom

both methods are different. different schools approach them differently also.

Goenka's method combines samantha and vipassana.

Samadhi is essential when combined with wisdom for arahatship

In the tibetan view, we practice vipassana everyday as we think and brainstorm for our daily needs but very little Samantha and that we can only attain samadhi after knowing how the mind works.
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read the suttas stated by me first bro. metta is samatha. we use it in combination/as support for vipassana. i have no disagreement there

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post Oct 12 2011, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 12 2011, 04:19 PM)
I've read them before but cant really recall them now

but here's the  tibetan method of developing samadhi: http://blog.tsemtulku.com/tsem-tulku-rinpo...n-rinpoche.html
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ya i've read that too tongue.gif


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post Oct 12 2011, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(ghoss @ Oct 12 2011, 04:16 PM)
Guys....how do you practice the mediation , please do teach me .
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u serious bro? or trolling? i can't be sure.

anyways, if you're in Penang then u're a very lucky person. Head to Bodhi Heart Sanctuary at Mount Eskine near the graveyard there. they have all kinds of dharma & meditation classes from different schools of buddhism.
http://www.bodhihearts.net/

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post Oct 12 2011, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 12 2011, 04:23 PM)
there's a lot of interesting things in tibetan buddhism like Tantra, Dzogchen, Mahamudra, Tonglen, Naropa's 6 Yogas etc its like finding the gold mine of Dharma tongue.gif

but they also have a more elaborate view of the nikayas as well
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Tantra, Mahamudra accessible by normal people? or must we receive instruction from a guru whom we have come to follow?

btw, how is Tsem Tulku Rinpoche's plan to build the tallest Je Tsongkhapa's statue in malaysia?

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post Oct 12 2011, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(ghoss @ Oct 12 2011, 04:38 PM)
bro , not trolling here  sweat.gif

I use to go Mahindarama Buddhist Temple when I'm small . I practice some of the teachings but not strictly  sweat.gif   hmm.gif

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did you go to mahindarama's sunday school? haha.... what's ur name? dats it, do more studies and try meditate each day and see. increase the time for meditation as u progress and see.

mahindarama do organises meditation classes from time to time. and also retreats which are more intensive in nature. MBMC in green lane too

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