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Group LYN Buddhism Retreat - SERIOUS TALK, No trolling please

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hotjake
post Oct 12 2011, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 12 2011, 04:38 PM)
its slowly building up to that. it has to be done in stages first tongue.gif
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hmm.. awesome! if got pics, can pm me?
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post Oct 12 2011, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 12 2011, 04:47 PM)
Nah as in grow Kechara in stages before that comes out. No statue yet
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oh... i understand what u mean. ermm.. one question what's with the paranormal office in Aman Suria? what is it for? very cute smile.gif
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post Oct 12 2011, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(MadhavanR @ Oct 12 2011, 04:52 PM)
Buddhism == Hinduism
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those who haven't studied them both in depth will make such conclusion. they are fundamentally different by practice and also by goal.
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post Oct 12 2011, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(ate @ Oct 12 2011, 04:52 PM)
Ive been staring at this for hours and im speechless shocking.gif anymore quotes like this from him?
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plenty bro. got unker google?

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post Oct 12 2011, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(MadhavanR @ Oct 12 2011, 05:06 PM)
erm, when exacly did he said that ?

buddism was named after the followers of buddha. do you know what religion / way of life buddha himself was following before they coin that name ?

as far as i know, buddhism is just a different name for hinduism that has been teached by buddha to his followers, and im proud to say he is 1 of the best person who understand life the way it should be.  thumbup.gif
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very wrong bro. to the Hindus, Buddha is God. to buddhists, he is not. it is not just a difference of name. study more.
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post Oct 12 2011, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(MadhavanR @ Oct 12 2011, 05:21 PM)
the practice of both is the same, just that there are number of hindu's nowdays who no longer follow the correct way and resorted to some "unknown" practices which is not part of hinduism.  yawn.gif  rclxub.gif  (dont believe, then i will explain)

the goal is also the same, but how many of us really working for that goal ? all chasing money, career and blah blah blah....

whatever told in buddhism is exacly the same in hinduism...the only difference is the name and how well people actually follow them smile.gif
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BS la brother. they are not the same.
if so, please state all the vedas parts and quotes that are compatible and reconcilable with the available suttas from buddhism.

you want to BS, go ahead. i'm waiting

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post Oct 12 2011, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 12 2011, 05:27 PM)
Hinduism focuses on oneness with god and believes in the soul

Buddhism focuses on liberation from worldliness. There is no soul in Buddhism, only conciousness. There is no Me or My in Buddhism.

its different.

Hinduism copied a lot of things from Buddhism, especially the Tantras and Buddhist ideas as well.

if you keep saying its the same please explain in the full terms.

btw i reported you.
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Hinduism focuses on oneness with god (yes they call it Moksha) and believes in the soul - yes correct dats why i say they are fundamentally different

aiya why u report him? i wanna have a debate with this fella

I agree with the copying of tantras.

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post Oct 12 2011, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 12 2011, 05:34 PM)
Because it will go nowhere. the lack of info in his posts suggests he's more interested in trolling. He's been repeating himself for the past 3 posts and its pretty clear he's not interested in discussions. There's so many past buddhist sages who have spoken out against hinduism anyways.
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i was hoping he'd quote the vedas so that i can shoot them down. haizz... if actual study and research are done, we don't need others to convince us that they are very different. sadly people are lazy to study

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post Oct 12 2011, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 12 2011, 05:41 PM)
he wont because he just wants to get his point across....jainism and hinduism does speak about the Buddha badly. they believe that the Buddha is a manifestation of vishnu out to help people who are hopeless (aka Buddhists). This alone is very offensive in its own way, cant believe this guy dosent realize this.
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yes, i've also read Bhagavad Gita and commentaries by Hindu Scholars on this subject matter. clearly they want to misrepresent the Buddha as God. How can Buddha be God? He clearly asks his followers to address him as a mortal teacher and specifically explained what is Buddha, his qualities & functions & criteria to attain to his level.

bunch of BS and thats some heavy weed that he's smoking

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post Oct 13 2011, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 13 2011, 10:25 AM)
lol yep thats why kasina meditation can be quite....dangerous and so is vipassana when done unsupervised
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kasina yes very much so. vipassana 50-50 but rarely see people go bonkers unless they have an unstable mind to start with. on normal circumstances, it is most often than not the guilt/regrets of past actions being played over and over again when one tries to do vipassana. dats why metta to oneself and other living beings is so important. if we cant forgive ourselves, we cant go beyond the threshold of meditation progress.

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post Oct 13 2011, 02:13 PM

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to u two novitiates, i bow notworthy.gif

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post Nov 10 2011, 01:52 PM

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for those curious about Buddhism, karma etc... new and old still skooling... this is the camp to join
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post Nov 10 2011, 02:14 PM

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Thich Nhat Hanh on nirvana

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post Jan 13 2012, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(avatargod @ Dec 4 2011, 04:15 PM)
Ever heard of "malay buddhist"?. Malay person who practice buddhism?.
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wow, please make sure, no jakim, jais, rela and the whole shebangs come knocking... wait come kicking your door down to drag you the mosque and repent biggrin.gif
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post Jan 13 2012, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Jan 13 2012, 09:56 AM)
hi long time no see. my practice is a bit slack nowadays. hu hu

Enjoice.

have you heard anything about adithanna (determination) ? the things or wish people make after doing merits? do you make adithana?
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hi there bro. lolz...

yes, i do it all the time especially when doing something good. this is very important bro. adithanna is synonymous to determination/wish/vow. it is NOT asking for something in return for the good you do but a sincere mind focused on the purpose and the result of such dana/good deeds.

think of it like this, making an adithanna is like having a compass to guide/steer your boat (good deeds) in the right direction. it is focused not doing something for the sake of doing. the resulting effect of the dana performed is DIFFERENT due to the added determination/sincere wish


Added on January 13, 2012, 10:09 ami can give you an example on how to do it in a simple manner, can?

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post Jan 13 2012, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(chezzball @ Jan 13 2012, 10:13 AM)
since buddhism no god, so when i say a mi ta bha... means what.. who will listen to it since no god? is it a say for myself? can i substitute these 4 words to some other 4 words?
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yes u can substitute it with any word and still get absorbed in the object you recite, amitabha is used as a pure and ideal model/object of concentration to aspire to. it is suitable for mind purification. u can recite ayam or KFC and see what your mind does to you, observe and come back tell me if it is a suitable object to recite/meditate on

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post Jan 13 2012, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Jan 13 2012, 10:22 AM)
Please do share. I know the only safe adithanna are those associated with attainment of nibbana as other adithanna would actually create kamma for further becoming.
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wish for nibbana is safe? heheh... u sure? do u know the more you wish for nibbana, the easier your evil kamma come to surface to cancel off your "debt" faster?

adithanna can be anything as long as it is done with wholesome aim/goal/intention in mind. my teacher who is already touching 74 years old always make this adithanna: "may my body and mind remain healthy enough to continue serving the Śāsana". wonderfully he's still as strong and fit as ever to do good deeds and benefit his students. put youths to shame really...

on the tibetan buddhism aspect, many gurus vow to reincarnate and continue their lineage and spread buddhism.

both these 2 examples above r noble intentions bro... NOT dangerous at all

so here's an example for you: "With the merits that I've gained in this dana/good deed may....(your vow/determination/wish)" Sadhu!

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post Jan 13 2012, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(chezzball @ Jan 13 2012, 10:28 AM)
coz when like at nite u kena sleep paralysis or so caled "ghost on top of u" then i say amitabha to like release it. but i sometime scold f words also can wohhh...
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it is not a ghost on top of you experience la, and amitabha or whatever has nothing to do in its cure. IT is a medical condition (forgot the name u go google) related to your brain and motor functions being temporarily disconnected from each other

not sure if you're trolling though hmm.gif

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post Jan 13 2012, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(chezzball @ Jan 13 2012, 10:37 AM)
ask him to say the F words la.. it works.. i long time no use amitabha coz i think F words more impact dy
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whatever that does the trick man... hell u can even follow that F word with a subject: "F.... me" for added strength and speed

you want to trivialise buddhism to such level? okay.jpg be my guest biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Jan 13 2012, 10:37 AM)
talking about dangerous wish, I share with you my own experience. That time I just practiced buddhism, I did make some wish that some evil kamma in my life will be exhausted ASAP.

Guess what?

I got into accident a few weeks after. Rammed by a motorcycle on the road. Could see the motorcycle coming, but can't avoid it. I knew it was kamma. After that I don't cincai make adithanna, but only for those related to practice such as easier to reach concentration , more opportunity to do dana, to observe sila, to attain sotapatti magga.

I think those are safe la... hu hu
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so you see my point biggrin.gif it is SCARY i tell you... hahaha. anyways this what i do "With the merits that I've gained in this dana/good deed may....(followed by your vow/determination/wish)" Sadhu3x! can d

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