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Chrono-Trigger
post Dec 30 2018, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ Dec 30 2018, 09:43 AM)
actually few years ago got chance can do retreat, i mean got time n very free....
but that time more play play only not really serious, now want to start but many problem  sad.gif
actually i feel la, just my pov.....after u learn buddhism more problem will arise ....
maybe u start to see differently then u found out, like this not right, like that also cannot ...
or maybe your "creditor" kacau kacau u, dont want u to runaway ...  devil.gif  devil.gif
headache heachache  rclxub.gif
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post Dec 31 2018, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Dec 30 2018, 09:02 AM)
To reach enlightenment, one needs to meditate.

There are those who can be enlightened (stream enterer) by just hearing a very short discourse from the Buddha directly, but those individuals no longer exist in the world today.

Those who remains today are of 2 types
- those who need to practice meditation from 7 days to many years to reach at least the lowest state
- those who cannot attain enlightenment in this life.

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meditating alone is not enough (even when done correctly, earnestly, ardently). otherwise, it'd be named the noble one-fold path, rather than 8-fold. the rest of the component practices compliment each other, aids, strengthens the understanding thereby the practice.

happy new year, may u be well and happy
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post Dec 31 2018, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Dec 31 2018, 03:15 PM)
meditating alone is not enough (even when done correctly, earnestly, ardently). otherwise, it'd be named the noble one-fold path, rather than 8-fold. the rest of the component practices compliment each other, aids, strengthens the understanding thereby the practice.

happy new year, may u be well and happy
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Granted all path factors had to be present and the paramita sufficient for one to gain breakthrough in meditation.

But it's always good to try. We cannot assume we are the Padapadama individuals (who cannot enlighten this life). There are among us, who are Neyya , who can be enlightened in this very life but due to insufficient effort, cannot.

The effort is never wasted, as it will become paramita itself for future birth's meditative capability.

may you be well and happy !

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Dec 31 2018, 04:45 PM)
Granted all path factors had to be present and the paramita sufficient for one to gain breakthrough in meditation.

But it's always good to try. We cannot assume we are the Padapadama individuals (who cannot enlighten this life).  There are among us, who are Neyya , who can be enlightened in this very life but due to insufficient effort, cannot.

The effort is never wasted, as it will become paramita itself for future birth's meditative capability.

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bolded are all true indeed. hence i merely added on to your earlier points


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post Jan 26 2019, 09:28 AM

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Most Buddhists don't understand why there is karma. Watch video below

It is to help us grow spiritually so that someday we can all reach Buddhahood.




There are many levels of spiritual advancement from highest to lowest

Buddha
Bodhisatva
prayet
Arhat
demi-god
Asura
hungry-ghosts
hell-beings

All these spiritual beings can reincarnate in these three physical realms.

animals (physical realm)
humans (physical realm)
aliens (physical realm)

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post Feb 17 2019, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Feb 16 2019, 09:21 PM)
This is not real too, so...
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post Feb 17 2019, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ Feb 17 2019, 03:48 PM)
want to know more about buddhism ? .... can pls ask here ..  icon_idea.gif
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So that you can continue to fantasize your point of view about Buddhism transcendental truths have more realness than some mundane materialistic facts, giving your self important ego a boost?
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post Feb 18 2019, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Feb 17 2019, 05:24 PM)
So that you can continue to fantasize your point of view about Buddhism transcendental truths have more realness than some mundane materialistic facts, giving your self important ego a boost?
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can u be more rational or not ? ....
i tot we are talking about the big bang theory ...
then suddenly u started the "not real" thing ...
since u like so much about buddhism then i think u should talk here la ... nod.gif
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post Feb 18 2019, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ Feb 18 2019, 08:26 AM)
can u be more rational or not ? ....
i tot we are talking about the big bang theory ...
then suddenly u started the "not real" thing ...
since u like so much about buddhism then i think u should talk here la ...  nod.gif
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what are your thoughts on Big Bang?

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post Feb 18 2019, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Feb 18 2019, 08:58 AM)
what are your thoughts on Big Bang?
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in buddhism there is so many world out there (trichiliocosm) ...
every second there is a some world out there will end n some will born ....
but if base on logic then the big bang theory is quite logical but not very sure ....
we are just human our wisdom level still very low, too complicated sometime cannot accept/understand ... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(will4848 @ Feb 18 2019, 09:06 AM)
in buddhism there is so many world out there (trichiliocosm)  ...
every second there is a some world out there will end n some will born ....
but if base on logic then the big bang theory is quite logical but not very sure ....
we are just human our wisdom level still very low, too complicated sometime cannot accept/understand  ...  tongue.gif
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There is great value in separating armchair speculation with real evidence or real evidence that led you to the statement of say "every second there is a some world out there will end n some will born ...." How to tie this observation of the universe of billions of galaxies to Buddhist belief of six realms?
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post Mar 13 2019, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Feb 18 2019, 09:36 AM)
There is great value in separating armchair speculation with real evidence or real evidence that led you to the statement of say "every second there is a some world out there will end n some will born ...." How to tie this observation of the universe of billions of galaxies to Buddhist belief of six realms?
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just google ... trichiliocosm or 三千大千世界 ....this word always appear in the mahayana sutra ....
it explain there is trillion n trillion n trillion of worlds outside, others than ours, n they are infinity of them ... tongue.gif
and this is say by buddha 2600 years ago nod.gif
so u can just imagine there are so many world out there ...
so if i say ..."every second there is a some world out there will end n some will born ....", izit logic ?? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(will4848 @ Mar 13 2019, 02:32 PM)
just google ... trichiliocosm or 三千大千世界 ....this word always appear in the mahayana sutra ....
it explain there is trillion n trillion n trillion of worlds outside, others than ours, n they are infinity of them ... tongue.gif
and this is say by buddha 2600 years ago  nod.gif
so u can just imagine there are so many world out there ...
so if i say ..."every second there is a some world out there will end n some will born ....", izit logic ??  tongue.gif
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See the vagueness of the phrase, it can mean 3 thousands, a million, a billion or infinite, doesn't matter. Today it's a million, tomorrow it's infinite, all can. All texts if rendered in such vagueness and infinite range are able to tell the science of tomorrow.
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post Mar 14 2019, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Mar 13 2019, 03:46 PM)
See the vagueness of the phrase, it can mean 3 thousands, a million, a billion or infinite, doesn't matter. Today it's a million, tomorrow it's infinite, all can. All texts if rendered in such vagueness and infinite range are able to tell the science of tomorrow.
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obviously u dont understand the trichiliocosm or 三千大千世界 ...
those planet, star, galaxy, universe or multiverse is always there, is just that when u can find n know about them ....
from science pov, they just discover them just this +-20 years bcos of Hubble telescope ....
but buddha is 2600 years ago human then how he know there is so many world out there ??

QUOTE(Spear2 @ Feb 18 2019, 09:36 AM)
There is great value in separating armchair speculation with real evidence or real evidence that led you to the statement of say "every second there is a some world out there will end n some will born ...." How to tie this observation of the universe of billions of galaxies to Buddhist belief of six realms?
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and you also ask .... " How to tie this observation of the universe of billions of galaxies to Buddhist belief of six realms?
actually trichiliocosm or 三千大千世界 also explain this ....
i lazy to explain n type so long but i found a video that explain this but in mandarin ....
not sure u understand mandarin or not laugh.gif


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QUOTE(will4848 @ Mar 14 2019, 10:22 PM)
obviously u dont understand the trichiliocosm or 三千大千世界 ...
those planet, star, galaxy, universe or multiverse is always there, is just that when u can find n know about them ....
from science pov, they just discover them just this +-20 years bcos of Hubble telescope ....
but buddha is 2600 years ago human then how he know there is so many world out there ??
and you also ask .... " How to tie this observation of the universe of billions of galaxies to Buddhist belief of six realms?
actually trichiliocosm or 三千大千世界 also explain this ....
i lazy to explain n type so long but i found a video that explain this but in mandarin ....
not sure u understand mandarin or not  laugh.gif
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If one generalized statement explains the universe it would not have waited 2600 years for real science and Hubble telescope to come along so you can make the argument today, not some 1000 years ago or 100 years ago. And if you read, almost all religions made similar claims how the texts foretold scientific discoveries. The catch is someone who knows science today to make the connection, this rule is universal it seems.
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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Mar 14 2019, 10:39 PM)
If one generalized statement explains the universe it would not have waited 2600 years for real science and Hubble telescope to come along so you can make the argument today, not some 1000 years ago or 100 years ago.

those planet n star is not form in 1 day ....
the different is, 2000 years ago people cannot see those thing n now the can see it ...
if u argue 2600 years ago, only buddha know n can see it, normal human also cannot understand ma ...
so how to argue ??

And if you read, almost all religions made similar claims how the texts foretold scientific discoveries. The catch is someone who knows science today to make the connection, this rule is universal it seems.

for normal human, they need to see, hear, touch n taste then they only believe it is true ....
but science only prove part of it, only the material part but not the "intangible" part ...
i think only Buddhism explain in detail about the multiverse, others religion just say GOD created the universe n not multiverse ...


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i assume u did not see the video la or u dont understand mandarin right ?
actually the video also explain the heaven n hell location as well ...

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QUOTE(will4848 @ Mar 14 2019, 10:58 PM)
i assume u did not see the video la or u dont understand mandarin right ?
actually the video also explain the heaven n hell location as well ...
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These explanations come from the modern man or woman and like most religious texts, they are generalized vague ambiguous statements gradually modified over the centuries by translators, scholars, interpreters etc .. all keen to see that they match reality. You take one statement and expand it. It has no meaning beyond it's literal meaning which usually came from observations of the natural world and extrapolation from them. Just like you would guess what future will hold.

For example,



In an article, quote,
The equivalence of energy E and mass m is reliant on the speed of light c and is described by the famous equation: E = mc2

bhūmir āpo ‘nalo vāyuḥ
khaḿ mano buddhir eva ca
ahańkāra itīyaḿ me
bhinnā prakṛtir aṣṭadhā || Srimad Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 7, Verse 4

Translation : Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and false ego—all together these eight constitute My separated material energies. ...

Krishna also stated in Gita that, Soul can neither be created nor destroyed. It just transfers from one body to another, that is from one form to another or one body to another.
Many years later, science said, Energy can neither be created or nor be destroyed it can only be changed from one form to another.

This proves that soul is nothing but energy.

nainam chindanti sastrani nainam dahati pavakah na cainam kledayanty apo na sosayati marutah

Translation : The soul can never be cut into pieces by any weapon, nor can he be burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind.
It just leaves old body and finds new body.

And so everybody prove their religions are true by aligning to science, but the odd thing is all these miracles come after science and require the interpreter/translator/ scholar/ to know some science first. The texts themselves tell you nothing about the scientific miracles.


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