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post Feb 17 2019, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ Feb 17 2019, 03:48 PM)
want to know more about buddhism ? .... can pls ask here ..  icon_idea.gif
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So that you can continue to fantasize your point of view about Buddhism transcendental truths have more realness than some mundane materialistic facts, giving your self important ego a boost?
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post Feb 18 2019, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ Feb 18 2019, 09:06 AM)
in buddhism there is so many world out there (trichiliocosm)  ...
every second there is a some world out there will end n some will born ....
but if base on logic then the big bang theory is quite logical but not very sure ....
we are just human our wisdom level still very low, too complicated sometime cannot accept/understand  ...  tongue.gif
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There is great value in separating armchair speculation with real evidence or real evidence that led you to the statement of say "every second there is a some world out there will end n some will born ...." How to tie this observation of the universe of billions of galaxies to Buddhist belief of six realms?
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post Mar 13 2019, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ Mar 13 2019, 02:32 PM)
just google ... trichiliocosm or 三千大千世界 ....this word always appear in the mahayana sutra ....
it explain there is trillion n trillion n trillion of worlds outside, others than ours, n they are infinity of them ... tongue.gif
and this is say by buddha 2600 years ago  nod.gif
so u can just imagine there are so many world out there ...
so if i say ..."every second there is a some world out there will end n some will born ....", izit logic ??  tongue.gif
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See the vagueness of the phrase, it can mean 3 thousands, a million, a billion or infinite, doesn't matter. Today it's a million, tomorrow it's infinite, all can. All texts if rendered in such vagueness and infinite range are able to tell the science of tomorrow.
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post Mar 14 2019, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ Mar 14 2019, 10:22 PM)
obviously u dont understand the trichiliocosm or 三千大千世界 ...
those planet, star, galaxy, universe or multiverse is always there, is just that when u can find n know about them ....
from science pov, they just discover them just this +-20 years bcos of Hubble telescope ....
but buddha is 2600 years ago human then how he know there is so many world out there ??
and you also ask .... " How to tie this observation of the universe of billions of galaxies to Buddhist belief of six realms?
actually trichiliocosm or 三千大千世界 also explain this ....
i lazy to explain n type so long but i found a video that explain this but in mandarin ....
not sure u understand mandarin or not  laugh.gif
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If one generalized statement explains the universe it would not have waited 2600 years for real science and Hubble telescope to come along so you can make the argument today, not some 1000 years ago or 100 years ago. And if you read, almost all religions made similar claims how the texts foretold scientific discoveries. The catch is someone who knows science today to make the connection, this rule is universal it seems.
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post Mar 15 2019, 07:41 AM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ Mar 14 2019, 10:58 PM)
i assume u did not see the video la or u dont understand mandarin right ?
actually the video also explain the heaven n hell location as well ...
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These explanations come from the modern man or woman and like most religious texts, they are generalized vague ambiguous statements gradually modified over the centuries by translators, scholars, interpreters etc .. all keen to see that they match reality. You take one statement and expand it. It has no meaning beyond it's literal meaning which usually came from observations of the natural world and extrapolation from them. Just like you would guess what future will hold.

For example,



In an article, quote,
The equivalence of energy E and mass m is reliant on the speed of light c and is described by the famous equation: E = mc2

bhūmir āpo ‘nalo vāyuḥ
khaḿ mano buddhir eva ca
ahańkāra itīyaḿ me
bhinnā prakṛtir aṣṭadhā || Srimad Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 7, Verse 4

Translation : Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and false ego—all together these eight constitute My separated material energies. ...

Krishna also stated in Gita that, Soul can neither be created nor destroyed. It just transfers from one body to another, that is from one form to another or one body to another.
Many years later, science said, Energy can neither be created or nor be destroyed it can only be changed from one form to another.

This proves that soul is nothing but energy.

nainam chindanti sastrani nainam dahati pavakah na cainam kledayanty apo na sosayati marutah

Translation : The soul can never be cut into pieces by any weapon, nor can he be burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind.
It just leaves old body and finds new body.

And so everybody prove their religions are true by aligning to science, but the odd thing is all these miracles come after science and require the interpreter/translator/ scholar/ to know some science first. The texts themselves tell you nothing about the scientific miracles.

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post Mar 18 2019, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ Mar 18 2019, 05:08 PM)
actually word can explain thing n meaning but thing n meaning is not inside word ...
even u read back those old scripture text, actually u also dont understand it ...
so if someone understand the old scripture text meaning and explain it with modern way ...
then obviously it will look like the same way how science explain it ...
or u prefer they explain in a non serious way like cartoon ? then u will say those text is so fake  nod.gif
same for the scientist to explain the big bang theory, look exactly the same like Christian explain god create the universe ...  mega_shok.gif
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If nobody fully understood the old texts at the time it was spoken or everyone misunderstood the old texts, then I pity all these people, they have been deceived for 2000 years until science came along. Imagine you have really a funny situation, Buddha was explaining to his disciples but he knew nobody could understand it for 2000 years. Maybe 3000 years ... what if everything Buddha said was for 3000 years later, aha!
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QUOTE(will4848 @ Mar 18 2019, 08:55 PM)
2600 years ago, why they need to understand the old texts ?? buddha still alive ma, everyday can listen to dharma talk ...
btw science also did not proved everything, science only can prove material matter like form n shape n they cant prove formless n shapeless ...
science can measure light n sound, can science measure darkness n silent ??
Buddhism is about spiritual practice n is formless .....
those universe or multiverse is just to explain to us where we are n why we must get out of samsara asap ... thats all

deswai now is the dharma ending period, less n less people understand real buddhism like the concept of sunyata ...
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It seems rational discourse doesn't work on you, nor concepts of darkness or silence, they seem so cool I guess.
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post Mar 18 2019, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ Mar 18 2019, 09:50 PM)
they are not cool, is just to show that darkness n silence happen in our daily life but science also cannot measure it ....
actually im very rational guy, how do i know the science today is 100% correct .....
if i know 1000 years from now, science is far more advance than today ....
maybe 500 years later they found out actually is wrong ......  nod.gif  nod.gif
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Yes you are very rational person, remind me of this, always never fails to bring out a few laughs





 

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