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post Aug 4 2010, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 4 2010, 03:13 PM)
how so this would not be the case? people still buy sc2 if they want to, and they are paying to their hated activision anyways. try looking back in the previous sc2 'version' threads, and/or even the "i hate sc2" thread. then see how many of them plays sc2 now. same shit if you ask me.

honestly, legit complaints towards a specific issue with objectivity in mind is fine, however the posts you've made is treading on both sides, worse when you seem to be taking up a pirate's side. at the end of the day: you hate it? dont buy. no one forcing you. you just hate IAH/SMM/SEA? (like me) fine, buy US (hell, even cheaper than SEA wwwww) worried bout pings? have my word that its NOT an issue unless you're a professional where every millisecond of reaction counts. dont take my word for it? get a guest pass, try it yourself.

see how EASY that is?

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predecessors you say? let me ask you this: i want to play a competitive e-sport level BALANCED RTS. WHAT other game would you suggest?
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1) So you fall into the 'I can't beat them so I join them' category?

2) I don't encourage piracy. I admit, I pirated a crap ton back when I was still studying, but I'm making up for that by buying all those old games back. Ditto with music CDs. I don't hate it, I said SEA is not worth the money, how many times must I say that before you get it?

edit: oh wait you're a pirate yourself. Talk about hypocrisy.

QUOTE(evofantasy @ Aug 4 2010, 03:21 PM)
1. u asked me about games... and i give u games... i dun see ppl complaining bout SSF4 or BB:CS when both are clearly standalone expansions...

2. educate me on this... any links?

3. i did provide a link to metacritic, u dun expect me to copy paste all of the reviews rite lol... i'm not doing to do all the dirty work...

4. EA was hated way back from wut u quoted for being far worse than activision... just because of MW2, they decided to try and buy back gamers and it half worked... after all MW2 sales is HOT

5. US edition is RM 190 (exchange rage), SEA edition is RM 220 (u can get cheaper from the games section)... wut SEA offer is access to US server in roughly 2 months time... and of course it depends on ur frens as u would wanna play wit ur frens (thus i bought SEA)
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1) I don't know about SSF4 as I've yet to see what extra content it adds in so I won't say anything about it.

2) Just one of the thousands of links you can find with google

3) The fact of the matter is you listed metacritic's average score and expected me to take that at face value. I don't look at aggregates.

4) That is what competition is for. And for all of EA's sins, they answered the PC gaming community with a product that satisfied them in a way MW2 didn't.

5) I might pick up the US version later, depending on whether I finish my backlog of steam summer sales purchases first.

This post has been edited by yimingwuzere: Aug 4 2010, 03:55 PM
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post Aug 4 2010, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 4 2010, 03:50 PM)
WoW vanilla was around 200
expansions are around 150 each
Subs are ~rm50/month

WoW have over 12mil active concurrent subscribers, superseding ANY competition in the market currently. WoW is not free.

i played WoW for 5 years and bought ALL the collector's edition except vanilla and ANOTHER retail copy to play it while i wait for shipment from USA.

why i did that? i love the game. i was a student back then, i dont spend on anything else and save up for world of warcraft. i still managed to pay for it. Surely, i work now, and its even a non-issue. but the point being is that i set aside other things and made sacrifices and i am able to spend the 'supposedly' expensive spending for a game i love.
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or u could just play pirate servers as they would suggest >.<

even wit my having a gf, paying everything on my own (rental, car, utilities), giving my parents $$$ i could still afford the game...
we all knew how much would sc2 gonna cost long before the same was coming out and already prepared for it...
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 4 2010, 03:34 PM)
- no one pointed a gun at your head to pay for sc2. dont pay then
there's someone here that says u must pay, aint that right, evofantasy?

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 4 2010, 03:34 PM)
- nope, regardless of reasons, one cannot justify themselves for piracy. trial or not. i admit i am a pirate too, however i dont justify myself for pirating. its wrong, and thats that.
i didnt try to justify, just stating my reason

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 4 2010, 03:34 PM)
- problem: it does NOT add up to 500ms or 1k ms. i am playing the game as it is
just saying there's a possibility for it, i am not saying it's happening now, but when Streamyx's 'cable broke down' again, it will be hard to say

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 4 2010, 03:34 PM)
- no nice internet connection? dont buy, dont play. it is also listed in the PC requirements for your reference before buying the game. which is also included in this sub forum's FAQ

- yes missing LAN is disappointing, i dont like it myself. however, i want to play the damn game, and b.net is more than enough to make up for it. again, thats me, you dont like, DONT BUY.
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ok, seriously, i'm sick of this 'don like don buy' crap, it seems like it's your only point of argument here..did i say i dislike the game? no, and honestly, i like the game, it's fun and great, and multiplayer would be fun as well(i spent all my 7 hours on single player only)..i'm just saying the game would be better if such feature is added back in, and more people will be attracted, and not to mention, it would be more worth for the price they are selling with this feature. and like Jack said, more attractive feature, more ppl buy; more ppl play, more fun
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post Aug 4 2010, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Aug 4 2010, 03:52 PM)
1) I don't know about SSF4 as I've yet to see what extra content it adds in so I won't say anything about it.

2) Just one of the thousands of links you can find with google

3) The fact of the matter is you listed metacritic's average score and expected me to take that at face value. I don't look at aggregates.

4) That is what competition is for. And for all of EA's sins, they answered the PC gaming community with a product that satisfied them in a way MW2 didn't.

5) I might pick up the US version later, depending on whether I finish my backlog of steam summer sales purchases first.
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1. its out for quite some time u know and was among the main event of EVO2010... and not long after SF4...

2. well most of them are against it "Reznor's endorsement of illegal downloading comes at a time when artists, particularly well-established ones, are cracking down on sites illegally distributing their music."

3. again, dun expect me to copy paste all the reviews aka the dirty work

4. EA failed as MW2 sales is among the highest ever seen
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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Aug 4 2010, 03:52 PM)
1) So you fall into the 'I can't beat them so I join them' category?

2) I don't encourage piracy. I admit, I pirated a crap ton back when I was still studying, but I'm making up for that by buying all those old games back. Ditto with music CDs. I don't hate it, I said SEA is not worth the money, how many times must I say that before you get it?
1) I don't know about SSF4 as I've yet to see what extra content it adds in so I won't say anything about it.

2) Just one of the thousands of links you can find with google

3) The fact of the matter is you listed metacritic's average score and expected me to take that at face value. I don't look at aggregates.

4) That is what competition is for. And for all of EA's sins, they answered the PC gaming community with a product that satisfied them in a way MW2 didn't.

5) I might pick up the US version later, depending on whether I finish my backlog of steam summer sales purchases first.
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1) im the 'i love sc2 and therefore i buy it' category. and i am also a proud owner of every blizzard's collector editions except vanilla WoW. go ahead and call me a sc2/WoW/war3/diablo/blizzard fan boy if that makes you feel better smile.gif

2) ok, we get it, SEA is not worth the money. DONT BUY IT THEN. how many times must i say that before YOU get it? you can be like me, buy the US version. i've even given my word that its a NON-ISSUE. and i EVEN put out that if you're not taking my word for it, get a guest pass and see if the latency is an issue. if it is, DONT BUY IT.
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Aug 4 2010, 03:42 PM)
Oh, Acitvison is not as bad as EA back then. ARE YOU f***ING SERIOUS???
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Aug 4 2010, 03:42 PM)
Activision killed development houses like Red Octane, Neversoft, Radical and so on, on the basis of their previous game not doing well or their 100 million requirement.
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That hit list is nowhere near as painful as EA's list:
Westwood
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Origin
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Aug 4 2010, 03:42 PM)
The bullshit with Harmonix where they are also with EA/MTV now, because Activision thinks Harmonix is a crap developer. Apparently, they are doing much better than Guitar Hero now.
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Infinity Ward went through the same thing with EA. Funny isn't it?

QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Aug 4 2010, 03:42 PM)
The whole Guitar Hero milking, and expensive guitar controllers with terrible quality. Is there any different with EA's milking with the sports franchise?
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When Guitar Hero starts getting yearly releases whereby you only get slight graphical updates and where the songlists are 90% the same as the game before it, then yeah, it would be as bad as EA's exploiting.

Also, isn't it a general consensus that the RB controllers are far superior in quality to the GH ones?

Anyway, GH is only ONE game series. EA were exploiting up to FIVE sports games and until today I've never seen a vile enough move like their super infamous buyout of the NFL for 2 years (Which nearly killed 2K's sports division)... When Activision decides to do the same with music games, then we can compare notes.

QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Aug 4 2010, 03:42 PM)
The whole Brutal Legends crap,where Tim Shalfer also with EA.
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Yes, because clearly EA hasn't defended their own IPs before.

QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Aug 4 2010, 03:42 PM)
The whole MW2 no dedicated server crap, with crap load of insults to the PC community. Then, followed by law suits and royalty withhold.
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And EA went through the same thing with Spore and Battlefield 2 (Which had no offline LAN or private dedicated servers).

QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Aug 4 2010, 03:42 PM)
Activision isnt much different from EA back then, except Activision is very careful with their exploitings.
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That is all drops in the ocean compared to EA's magnificent acts of evilry (So evil I can make up words!) since most of it is either Guitar Hero related or just MW2.
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post Aug 4 2010, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Aug 4 2010, 03:57 PM)
1. its out for quite some time u know and was among the main event of EVO2010... and not long after SF4...

2. well most of them are against it "Reznor's endorsement of illegal downloading comes at a time when artists, particularly well-established ones, are cracking down on sites illegally distributing their music."

3. again, dun expect me to copy paste all the reviews aka the dirty work

4. EA failed as MW2 sales is among the highest ever seen
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1) It's not on PC yet IIRC. And I don't observe console games nor do I own one. I can't speak on something I don't have facts on.

2) The fact that major names like Trent Reznor (and Radiohead and others) giving the middle finger to the recording industry surely means something, ain't it?

3) So then it's too bad that I read every review and formed my own opinions on the well-written ones and ignored the bad 'let's give this game free 10/10' ones, rather than looking at the 94%.

4) Evidently you don't observe the 'Top Sellers' list in Steam.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 4 2010, 03:50 PM)
WoW vanilla was around 200
expansions are around 150 each
Subs are ~rm50/month

WoW have over 12mil active concurrent subscribers, superseding ANY competition in the market currently. WoW is not free.

i played WoW for 5 years and bought ALL the collector's edition except vanilla and ANOTHER retail copy to play it while i wait for shipment from USA.

why i did that? i love the game. i was a student back then, i dont spend on anything else and save up for world of warcraft. i still managed to pay for it. Surely, i work now, and its even a non-issue. but the point being is that i set aside other things and made sacrifices and i am able to spend the 'supposedly' expensive spending for a game i love.
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so ur point is? u are rich?

sorry dude, i don sacrifice my 'real life' for my 'virtual life', don spend on anything is not really the way i would wanna live
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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Aug 4 2010, 04:01 PM)
1) It's not on PC yet IIRC. And I don't observe console games nor do I own one. I can't speak on something I don't have facts on.

2) The fact that major names like Trent Reznor (and Radiohead and others) giving the middle finger to the recording industry surely means something, ain't it?

3) So then it's too bad that I read every review and formed my own opinions on the well-written ones and ignored the bad 'let's give this game free 10/10' ones, rather than looking at the 94%.

4) Evidently you don't observe the 'Top Sellers' list in Steam.
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1. it is stated to be released on the PC isn't it? u can go read up on the content itself and tell me is Capcom evil as well...

2. its a number games where majority rules...

3. reviews are not only looking at numbers... my way of looking at reviews? pros and cons... then i'll youtube the vids and decide for myself...

4. sure EVERYONE have to BUY from STEAM...
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love tis game so much, play almost everyday! worth it 100% la
rm220 a game not expensive la...
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QUOTE(BBXiong @ Aug 4 2010, 03:55 PM)
there's someone here that says u must pay, aint that right, evofantasy?
i didnt try to justify, just stating my reason
just saying there's a possibility for it, i am not saying it's happening now, but when Streamyx's 'cable broke down' again, it will be hard to say
ok, seriously, i'm sick of this 'don like don buy' crap, it seems like it's your only point of argument here..did i say i dislike the game? no, and honestly, i like the game, it's fun and great, and multiplayer would be fun as well(i spent all my 7 hours on single player only)..i'm just saying the game would be better if such feature is added back in, and more people will be attracted, and not to mention, it would be more worth for the price they are selling with this feature. and like Jack said, more attractive feature, more ppl buy; more ppl play, more fun
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- however shitty evofantasy replies may be, he certainly did not point a gun at your head over an internet forum forcing you to pay for sc2

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i didnt try to justify, just stating my reason

ok, so, do you need me to get a dictionary for you and tell you how silly that reply sounded?

- theres a possibility for ANYTHING. like russia nuking america and it happen to land on blizzard's servers. boom, no more WoW, no more sc2. why do you even bother? and just so you know, if the underwater cable or whatever link connecting to singapore breaks, you'll be in the same situation. FYI (if you still didnt get it) im a WoW player and i've been through shitty underwater cable bullshits (hello 40k ms ping) more so than your average internet user and i do therefore understand your concern. however, that is not something you nor i can fix and worrying about it is really ridiculous.

- dont like my point of argument here, ignore me then. its not like i force you to accept my opinions or my post. as i've even said myself on previous posts, i do NOT agree with activision-blizz/blizzard on their decisions with b.net 2.0 and their SEA bullshit. however i still love sc2, and i will buy and play it.

what you're trying to say is suggesting how a company should price their game and here is the thing with modern day economy and to an extent, logic:
people are WILLING to buy at a specified overpriced price.
what makes you think, that a company, that sole purpose of having that company, is to make a profit, should lower that said price when people are willing to pay it?
if you really want to make an opinion count, be like jack then, DONT PAY THEM.
and on that same note, no, piracy was never/never/will never be justified no matter the reason.
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QUOTE(BBXiong @ Aug 4 2010, 04:02 PM)
so ur point is? u are rich?

sorry dude, i don sacrifice my 'real life' for my 'virtual life', don spend on anything is not really the way i would wanna live
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so then why are u here?
go enjoy ur real life and dun QQ about not having sc2 in ur virtual life due to the price...

u cant have the cake and eat the cake
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 4 2010, 04:06 PM)
- however shitty evofantasy replies may be, he certainly did not point a gun at your head over an internet forum forcing you to pay for sc2
hey i'm hurt cry.gif

seriously, as i said look at the reviews and decide for urself...
the TS asked is it worthit now, i say its worthit...
and i did say, if u wanna wait go ahead...

i didn't say "BUY IT NOW OR I'LL SHOOT UR HEAD OFF!!!!"
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post Aug 4 2010, 04:08 PM

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How about you quote me sales figures for retail copies comparing MW2 and BFBC2 before you talk? You clearly said EA failed at competing with the MW2 juggernaut but you failed to provide evidence saying so, and I found evidence to the contrary.
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QUOTE(BBXiong @ Aug 4 2010, 04:02 PM)
so ur point is? u are rich?

sorry dude, i don sacrifice my 'real life' for my 'virtual life', don spend on anything is not really the way i would wanna live
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did you read?

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but the point being is that i set aside other things and made sacrifices and i am able to spend the 'supposedly' expensive spending for a game i love.

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How about you quote me sales figures for retail copies comparing MW2 and BFBC2 before you talk? You clearly said EA failed at competing with the MW2 juggernaut but you failed to provide evidence saying so, and I found evidence to the contrary.
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http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/browse.php?...=modern+warfare

11.27M (xbox) + 8.28M (ps3) + 1.1M (pc)

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/browse.php?name=battlefield

2.37M + 1.69M + 0.31M

so u tell me?
PC: 0.31/1.1M = 27%
Total: 4.37/20.65 = 21%

cant even reach 30% of MW2 sales...

ps: i am just lazy to do all the dirty work to find such figures /sigh
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Aug 4 2010, 04:08 PM)
hey i'm hurt  cry.gif

seriously, as i said look at the reviews and decide for urself...
the TS asked is it worthit now, i say its worthit...
and i did say, if u wanna wait go ahead...

i didn't say "BUY IT NOW OR I'LL SHOOT UR HEAD OFF!!!!"
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i did say however
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One question,

if i never play SC before, will i like SC2? And I intend to play single player only.

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