4rings is right re spot reduction... the only way to lose "extra flesh" or fats from wherever you want it is to d cardio and watch ur diet. chest/arm workouts will only tone the muscles, but if theres a thick layer of fat covering you're not gonna see any "tone" at all no matter how many curls/presses you do!

but i have very adamant views regarding chest training for myself... ive tried practially every suggestion out there in desperate attempts to keep my boobies - not training at all... no more than 2 exercises... pressing exercises only.... no cardio on chest day... etc etc etc... been there done that. so i guess ive found a routine i can finally stick to and be content with. i do lots of incline work to "boost" up the chest area and to give the impression of a higher bustline. im not gonna say 4rings suggestion of flat benching is wrong... but personally it didnt work for me and i kept more "meat" on my chest area doing just incline work and several cable and machine movements. i do heavy pullovers.. but ive been told that cos it expands the ribcage (??) and widens the chest... the fat of the breasts becomes stretched even more over a wider area... becoming more flat.

but end of the day if you want something you gotta sacrifice something else, kan =/ sadness....

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Added on August 3, 2010, 12:54 am

imo men and women hv different bodies, different composition, tendencies to put on fat in different areas and different hormone levels.... hence training needs to be different too here and there cos the bodies respond differently.

i dono bout guys... but the NUMBER ONE boob shrinker = decline benchpress.
evil evil evil!! will never do another decline bench all my life!

not fair right... decline benching gives guys nice, sag-free and well shaped pecs... but not so for girls....

i used to run between 5-8k daily until i was forced to stop due to a knee injury .. so i've dropped my morning runs and the weight has come back on.. haihh ...i keep up with my weight training 2-3 times a week .. full body WO with dumbells and free weights (no machines over here) but im wondering if im wasting my time with weights since ive had to drop most of my running .. right now looking to drop body fat .. replaced running with that eliptical machine but its no replacement for my sprints

would skipping be any better ?

tried IF-ing which my friend used successfully but it doensnt agree with me .. so i guess im back to low carb

on another note .. does it ever offend you when you step into one of those public gyms and a guy hands you a 1 kg dumbell and tells you "girls shouldnt be lifting?"

i used to run between 5-8k daily until i was forced to stop due to a knee injury .. so i've dropped my morning runs and the weight has come back on.. haihh ...i keep up with my weight training 2-3 times a week .. full body WO with dumbells and free weights (no machines over here) but im wondering if im wasting my time with weights since ive had to drop most of my running .. right now looking to drop body fat .. replaced running with that eliptical machine but its no replacement for my sprints

would skipping be any better ?

tried IF-ing which my friend used successfully but it doensnt agree with me .. so i guess im back to low carb

on another note .. does it ever offend you when you step into one of those public gyms and a guy hands you a 1 kg dumbell and tells you "girls shouldnt be lifting?"

I started including decline to my chest workout and still big though lol~ just that I skipped cardio cause not enough time for workout, gotta rush for class.
Most girls I know thinks that bodybuilding is very UGLY and for girls is EWWWWWW! Watch the video

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=...82980444&ref=mf

I started including decline to my chest workout and still big though lol~ just that I skipped cardio cause not enough time for workout, gotta rush for class.
Most girls I know thinks that bodybuilding is very UGLY and for girls is EWWWWWW! Watch the video

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=...82980444&ref=mf

The video looks fake... I don't think many of us guys can even press that weight... And she doesn't even seem to be making an effort.

lol this thread officially for wimmenz!

Anyways.

I actually have a goal of shrinking my ladies abit because of crossdressing (as males) for events. (I cosplay like you do too, LadyVanity XD except, my characters mostly are males because of my..... manchin. been a tomboy all my life agagaga. DX)

Now I have to worry bit of my abs cus have been concentratin' on upper for this while.

...BACK TO SIT UPS!

So ladies, lets share our knowledge on wimmen body buildin'~

i used to run between 5-8k daily until i was forced to stop due to a knee injury .. so i've dropped my morning runs and the weight has come back on.. haihh ...i keep up with my weight training 2-3 times a week .. full body WO with dumbells and free weights (no machines over here) but im wondering if im wasting my time with weights since ive had to drop most of my running .. right now looking to drop body fat .. replaced running with that eliptical machine but its no replacement for my sprints

would skipping be any better ?

tried IF-ing which my friend used successfully but it doensnt agree with me .. so i guess im back to low carb

on another note .. does it ever offend you when you step into one of those public gyms and a guy hands you a 1 kg dumbell and tells you "girls shouldnt be lifting?"

I started including decline to my chest workout and still big though lol~ just that I skipped cardio cause not enough time for workout, gotta rush for class.
Most girls I know thinks that bodybuilding is very UGLY and for girls is EWWWWWW! Watch the video

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=...82980444&ref=mf

tehhijau - eh? how u know i cosplay pulak? XD
IF?? Intermittent fasting?? if thats what it is... my god i can never fast... im hungry 24-7 and NEED to eat every 1-2 hours. i think fasting slows ur metabolism too and increases the tendency to store fat... a definite no-no.

i used to get alot of funny stares and stuff going into a gym. ive always trained at a hardcore gym even frm the beginning so it was strange being the only gal. i got alot of negativity frm my family members actually whn i first started out, more so than ppl in the gym. i also mostly hang out with bodybuilders anyways... my friends all compete so i feel perfectly at home with the guys. guess right now the most annoying thing im faced with is that kaypoh aunties or even random unknown women who hv just met me the first time... like to comment abt how big my arms are n ask me "you not scared ugly ah?" or "you will regret u know after u get married"........ etc etc etc.... ZZZzzzzz.

on the other hand... when the salesppl at big commercial gyms try to chat me up and ask me what my "weight loss goals" are... the reactions i get when i say "can you help me put on 10kg ah?" never fail to amuse me. 

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Added on August 3, 2010, 5:16 pm

bodybuilding? ugly? lol i think there r a shortage of bodybuilding men here!! picking are very slim for me, hey!
hehehehehe

Where have all these girls been before this I wonder.

Btw yancomet, how much is that whey tub?

yancomet ... did the glucosamine help? right now im only taking fish oils, might consider adding glucosamine if it will help my ankles/knees .. i used to swim alot, so not used to higher impact cardio .. knee pain before i am tired >.<

it only takes one week of not enough sleep to completely wreck my diet .. its so annoying that i can gain weight in a week and it takes a month to get back to normal

btw .. you take the whey both bfast and post workout ? i was thinking of replacing dinner with whey cos i workout evening-ish and by the time i get back its already 8-9PM di .. nice arms btw

i can squat about 20kgs, probably more but any heavier and i cant lift the bar up to put on my back "

So if most guys cant press that weight, that's fake?

I started including decline to my chest workout and still big though lol~ just that I skipped cardio cause not enough time for workout, gotta rush for class.
Most girls I know thinks that bodybuilding is very UGLY and for girls is EWWWWWW! Watch the video

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=...82980444&ref=mf

i also did long distance running before, and i stopped after my ankle injuries becoming serious and start taking glucosamine on doc's advice. No matter how, i didn't see tat my body weight increase. ur case might be in term of nutritions. Did u control ur diet after stop running? Gain weight= calories intake > ur body required calories. EG: During ur running activity, u wont gain weight by eating MCD meals. But when u stop running=physical activity decrease, ur body weight sure go up if keep eating MCd meal. [JUST AN EXAMPLE ]
If u wanna go on low carb diet, make sure u ate sufficient carb too to support ur body basal activities.
I trained martial art in old time. Most of my training similiar to plyometric training. i dont carry weights at all. But now, i can 100% sure that carry weights can really gain strength faster than ever! now i still doing squat with dumbells wat
These are my progress after 3 months in gym. i will remove after 2 days....feel so shy...



Now i taking whey after workout and the following morning for nearly 1month. The protein blend is for my whole family
hey, dude. Decline chest press is one of the effective chest workout for dudes. For girls, better dont. Due to different hormonal lvl. girls having very hard time to gain muscle like man. those in us and female BB, i cant 100% guarantee they do it naturally

tehhijau - eh? how u know i cosplay pulak? XD
IF?? Intermittent fasting?? if thats what it is... my god i can never fast... im hungry 24-7 and NEED to eat every 1-2 hours. i think fasting slows ur metabolism too and increases the tendency to store fat... a definite no-no.

i used to get alot of funny stares and stuff going into a gym. ive always trained at a hardcore gym even frm the beginning so it was strange being the only gal. i got alot of negativity frm my family members actually whn i first started out, more so than ppl in the gym. i also mostly hang out with bodybuilders anyways... my friends all compete so i feel perfectly at home with the guys. guess right now the most annoying thing im faced with is that kaypoh aunties or even random unknown women who hv just met me the first time... like to comment abt how big my arms are n ask me "you not scared ugly ah?" or "you will regret u know after u get married"........ etc etc etc.... ZZZzzzzz.

on the other hand... when the salesppl at big commercial gyms try to chat me up and ask me what my "weight loss goals" are... the reactions i get when i say "can you help me put on 10kg ah?" never fail to amuse me. 

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Added on August 3, 2010, 5:16 pm

bodybuilding? ugly? lol i think there r a shortage of bodybuilding men here!! picking are very slim for me, hey!
hehehehehe

tehhijau - eh? how u know i cosplay pulak? XD
IF?? Intermittent fasting?? if thats what it is... my god i can never fast... im hungry 24-7 and NEED to eat every 1-2 hours. i think fasting slows ur metabolism too and increases the tendency to store fat... a definite no-no.

i used to get alot of funny stares and stuff going into a gym. ive always trained at a hardcore gym even frm the beginning so it was strange being the only gal. i got alot of negativity frm my family members actually whn i first started out, more so than ppl in the gym. i also mostly hang out with bodybuilders anyways... my friends all compete so i feel perfectly at home with the guys. guess right now the most annoying thing im faced with is that kaypoh aunties or even random unknown women who hv just met me the first time... like to comment abt how big my arms are n ask me "you not scared ugly ah?" or "you will regret u know after u get married"........ etc etc etc.... ZZZzzzzz.

on the other hand... when the salesppl at big commercial gyms try to chat me up and ask me what my "weight loss goals" are... the reactions i get when i say "can you help me put on 10kg ah?" never fail to amuse me. 

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Added on August 3, 2010, 5:16 pm

bodybuilding? ugly? lol i think there r a shortage of bodybuilding men here!! picking are very slim for me, hey!
hehehehehe

Listen carefully. The bar sounds like plastic. YOU HAS BEEN TROLLED. -runs-
aiyah no need shy lah, we sportswoman oso wanna see progress. =D
I AM STALKERRRRR. No lah I saw you last year at hotlink doing watchman and yeah many in my cosplay community knows you.

Actually, my gym, is paling jakun one. Cus I, MAYYYBE. the only girl body building there, so when they saw a women, means, me... did a 20 lbs bench press, you can see every jaw of theirs dropped. but I got along and influenced a few tomboys to join my league.

As I got along, I befriended with a goddamn afrotastic former Iranian military guy who is a student there and we share experiences. Thus he thought me alot. Now I am confident to build myself moarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...

4 weeks progress.


Fasting month coming~ -reschedule diet and gym time-

which one? the big one is a blend around 190, small one is whey around 130. now should be slightly cheaper ady.
knee pain when swimming? avoid kicking so hard when doing breast stroke kick!!! narrowing the breaststroke kicking will helps. the freestyle flutter kicks also make my legs pain when i try to compete uncle in the pool
hmm, u only can see the effect of glucossamine after u taking in certain period. it wont relieve ur pain in short period unless u take gluco+msm eg: gnc. But i taking glucosamine+chondroitin, juz more than enough. remember, rest is crucial factor and sufficient training too to avoid injuries from getting serious.
i taking whey protein after workout, and the following morning take another scoop of whey to recover and reduce soreness. Never to take whey as replacement of breakfast! if u intend to replace dinner after workout, u can try protein blend which got casein. Dont forget to take some complex carbs like oats, it helps recovery too and give u a sense of fullness, tats mean wont feel hungry.
wow, u squats heavy yo!!!     tat day i try push to limits, 35lbsx2each side= 70lbsx8 on smith machine is my maximum

yeah .. intermittent fasting .. might have worked for her but was completely horrible for me...i usually take a short run in the morning, either on empty stomach or just some milk and then have a light bfast after ... and the more i run the hungrier i get so i usually nibble during the day... IF-ing meant skipping bfast and eating between 12PM to 6PM ... IMPOSSIBLE...i might be able to to a light run on a mostly empty stomach but its not possible to lift without eating .. and i spend most of the morning tired, lethargic and lightheaded ... not productive at all .. plus i ended up with all sorts of wild cravings

the most effective way for me to drop body fat was to add on sprints after my workout ... used to do it when i was gym-ming regularly, but its kinda hard to sprint when you're running tepi jalan .. too many obstacles, dang

im now in a small town .. kind of ulu and no proper gym so have to make do la .. but its kinda annoying when im loading up my bar to have guys come up to me and tell me "its too heavy, better you dont do" or " come i teach you" - then give me 1kg DB and show me how to do bicep curls .. ive had people tell me running makes your legs bigger, not feminine la bla bla ..

i used to swim competitively so i got broad shoulders .. im trying to get that triangle bit between the shoulders and chest (dont know what muscle it is), what kind of exercises should i be looking at  to build it ?

yeah .. intermittent fasting .. might have worked for her but was completely horrible for me...i usually take a short run in the morning, either on empty stomach or just some milk and then have a light bfast after ... and the more i run the hungrier i get so i usually nibble during the day... IF-ing meant skipping bfast and eating between 12PM to 6PM ... IMPOSSIBLE...i might be able to to a light run on a mostly empty stomach but its not possible to lift without eating .. and i spend most of the morning tired, lethargic and lightheaded ... not productive at all .. plus i ended up with all sorts of wild cravings

the most effective way for me to drop body fat was to add on sprints after my workout ... used to do it when i was gym-ming regularly, but its kinda hard to sprint when you're running tepi jalan .. too many obstacles, dang

im now in a small town .. kind of ulu and no proper gym so have to make do la .. but its kinda annoying when im loading up my bar to have guys come up to me and tell me "its too heavy, better you dont do" or " come i teach you" - then give me 1kg DB and show me how to do bicep curls .. ive had people tell me running makes your legs bigger, not feminine la bla bla ..

i used to swim competitively so i got broad shoulders .. im trying to get that triangle bit between the shoulders and chest (dont know what muscle it is), what kind of exercises should i be looking at  to build it ?

Listen carefully. The bar sounds like plastic. YOU HAS BEEN TROLLED. -runs-
aiyah no need shy lah, we sportswoman oso wanna see progress. =D
I AM STALKERRRRR. No lah I saw you last year at hotlink doing watchman and yeah many in my cosplay community knows you.

Actually, my gym, is paling jakun one. Cus I, MAYYYBE. the only girl body building there, so when they saw a women, means, me... did a 20 lbs bench press, you can see every jaw of theirs dropped. but I got along and influenced a few tomboys to join my league.

As I got along, I befriended with a goddamn afrotastic former Iranian military guy who is a student there and we share experiences. Thus he thought me alot. Now I am confident to build myself moarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...

4 weeks progress.


Fasting month coming~ -reschedule diet and gym time-

no lar.. not knee pain when swimming ... when running
i used to swim competitively, so perfectly comfortable in water ... but once i started working its difficult to get access to swimming pool all the time, so i picked up running instead ... planning for first 1/2 marathon end of this year, but dont know with my knee bothering me still can make it or not

mind sharing which brand of glucosamine you taking now ? i think i'll give it a try, see if it helps (cant hurt kua..) Already cut down alot on my running sessions.. feels weird not running. . haha.. so far i take whey post workout as a dinner replacement, and if im still hunry after that maybe an apple or banana .. dont like oats, but i do take muesli for breakfast lor

legs got strength, but upper body a little bit useless la .... lat raise with 2 kgs DB and by second set already struggling .. still got long way to go

everyone's body is different.... glad that u have found something thats more realistic for you to stick to!
(skipping breakfast.... oh my. breakfast is the most important meal of the day cos it kickstarts your metabolism.)

great that you can do sprints! i used to do lotsa HIIT training and moderate-high intensity cardio. saves time cos i dont have to stick my ass on the treadmill for so long.... but for me i get crazy cravings doing HIIT. so it's long, slow cardio these days.... ZZZzzzzz.  i hate cardio.

and yes, like chicaman suggests, shrugs are great trap builders

p/s: OOT... but im eyeing one of your pretty dresses on your sales thread........... eheheheheh......  old habits die hard...... 

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Added on August 4, 2010, 12:52 am

ahahaha really!
well im taking a break frm cosplaying and modelling already... might even retire completely. im so sick of photogs telling me im too big... too muscular.. need to stop lifting weights if i wanna be successful.... BLEARGH. sorry boys. bodybuilding is number one priority... so, byyeeee im not gonna ruin your sexy shoots anymore~

good luck for fasting month!! gotta be tough... i cant imagine going thru it... really salute all my malay friends who go thru it every year