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Unifi Official TM UniFi High Speed Broadbrand Thread V6, News: RM200 for installation after Sept

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post Aug 14 2010, 02:20 AM

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I am noob in telecommunication network, have few questions as follow: -

a) My current router is of Linksys WAG120N Wireless-N ADSL2+ Modem Router, is it compatible to TM DIR-615 G1 routers?

b) Plan to upgrade from my current Streamyx Combo (RM 110) to UNIFI VIP5, it's still under 1 year contract, possible to upgrade without breaching the contract?

Thanks in advance

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post Aug 14 2010, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(alextong8386 @ Aug 14 2010, 06:59 AM)
You cannot use a ADSL modem router to setup unifi. It is becos it do not has WAN port. You need a pure wireless router.

Yes, you can upgrade ur Streamyx combo to Unifi.
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Hi alextong8386, ok, so there is WAN port at BTU and connect to WAN port at TM DIR-615 G1 right? Is it possible to connect TM DIR-615 G1 (VDSL) router (LAN port) to my ADSL modem router (LAN) with RG45 cable? So I do not need to change downstream settings.

Thanks again

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post Aug 14 2010, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(calvin92 @ Aug 14 2010, 01:07 PM)
And then there are 6 phone sockets in my houses. I guess it is pretty much become useless after I install Unifi and cancel regular phone line?
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No i heard some1 actually wire 1 RJ15 line from their fiber modem to 1 of the sockets in your house and all will work as normal. but i pretty sure u need to cut your landlines first before doing this. Also u can buy additional cordless phone put around the house but does not need a socket each as it connects wireless to your main base set. Also the DECT phone TM gives is GPA compatible so u can register different brands of phone to the base set not only Panasonic.
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Will there be any interference from DECT (cordless - 2.4GHz) phone onto wireless network especially when the cordless phone rings. I experience my current wireless network being disturbed by cordless phone, so I have to sacrificed cordless phone, same as microwave oven if your wireless router is close to it.

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post Aug 14 2010, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(pr0di9y @ Aug 14 2010, 02:01 PM)
As this post now, I have taken the liberty to flash my DIR-615 to DD-WRT.

Will post again if I manage to get the IPTV working lol...
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Just wonder if DIR-615 can work with Linksys WAG120N, according to D-link website, DIR-615 is able to work with ADSL/ADSL2+ wireless modem router.



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post Aug 14 2010, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(rizvanrp @ Aug 14 2010, 02:25 PM)
When the WAG120N is acting as the ADSL2 bridge, then the DIR-615 can work with it. When the DIR-615 is the bridge, only other IP based routers with PPPoE support can work with it smile.gif
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I think I get what you meant, I will use DIR-615 as primary/master and WAG120N as secondary/slave or bridge. Thx
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post Aug 14 2010, 02:45 PM

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Correct if I am wrong, the green TM 'dustbin' is located where your residential telecommunication infra is via underground telephone manhole; if overhead, there is white TM junction box mounted on the telephone overhead pole usually located at backlane.

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post Aug 14 2010, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(rizvanrp @ Aug 14 2010, 02:45 PM)
You can't use the WAG120N with Unifi because its an ADSL2 router. Its WAN port is an RJ11 jack meant for a phone line. You could install dd-wrt on it (if it supports it) and use one of the LAN ports as a WAN port but you'll get IPTV + random WAN traffic being flooded into your local LAN so I don't recommend that.
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Hmm, I am thinking of the following connection scheme, if it works?

BTU <-> RJ45 ethernet cable(WAN port) <-> DIR-615 <->RJ45 ethernet cable (LAN port) <-> WAG120N <->wireless<-> PC/MAC

DIR-615 will be located at living room next to TV and my future iPTV, WAG120N also will be next to DIR-65 (I prefer to use WAG120N's wireless than DIR-615)

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post Aug 14 2010, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(rizvanrp @ Aug 14 2010, 02:53 PM)
That will work but your WAG120N will only be acting as a wireless AP, not a router.. and you'll have to disable its DHCP server biggrin.gif
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Yeah, I plan to upgrade from Streamyx Combo to UNIFI by end of the month, trying to scratch my head to maintain my WAG120N which just bought less than 6 months biggrin.gif
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post Aug 14 2010, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(rizvanrp @ Aug 14 2010, 02:45 PM)
You can't use the WAG120N with Unifi because its an ADSL2 router. Its WAN port is an RJ11 jack meant for a phone line. You could install dd-wrt on it (if it supports it) and use one of the LAN ports as a WAN port but you'll get IPTV + random WAN traffic being flooded into your local LAN so I don't recommend that.
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Thanks Rizvanrp, I believe I have more questions when UNIFI is installed, meanwhile, trying to read as much as could in this thread. Will throw more questions if I have doubt when I have UNIFI.

Appreciate your help smile.gif
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post Aug 15 2010, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(pr0di9y @ Aug 15 2010, 03:19 PM)
Yeah need to do some setup to the HUAWEI fiber optic modem. Just a simple WAN connection settings.

As on the DIR-615, the port connected was indeed into the WAN port, I didn't even bother to configure the PPPOE on it. The purpose of the DIR-615 on my setup is just to host the IPTV data distribution.

What I did on the DIR-615 was to just restore to factory default, disable the WiFi on it and just use the existing LAN port forwarding already on it in which the LAN 4 on the device is configured for IPTV data connection.

So far there are no lag / data distortion with my current setup. I think what I'm going to do next is just remove the HUB/SWITCH from my setup. Since my WRT54GL somehow can't support the VLAN tagging of 500.
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I think I will do the similar setup as I intend to locate BTU in the living room, side-by-side with DIR-615 ; disable the WIFI at DIR-615, one of 4 LAN ports of DIR-615 will be connected to 'future' IPTV, the other will bridge over my existing modem router WAG120N, disable DHCP, transmit WLAN to my PC/MAC.

As many said, the culprit or the weakest link is the DIR-615 !
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post Aug 16 2010, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(klseet @ Aug 16 2010, 03:43 PM)
Yes, with or without the DIR-615, you can get a cheap yet value-for-money router which support dd-wrt (eg, Buffalo WHR-G300N), then just follow Rizvanrp instruction, plug-in to the Huawei BTU LAN2, that's all!
Just wonder if Linksys WAG120N can support dd-wrt?
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post Aug 16 2010, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(klseet @ Aug 16 2010, 09:13 PM)
When the TM ppl left my home right after they completed the installation, I immediately setup the DIR-615 [as per Rivanrp] since day1:
1. as bridging mode only
2. turn-off the wifi
3. use AVR power supply
4. put on top of a cabinet with clear air-ventilation + notebook fan blowing on it

Still, the WAN port died [others all still ok] on the 10th day...... rclxub.gif
Hopefully yours will last longer .... sweat.gif
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Any alternative hardware to replace DIR-615 since it's so fragile and not durable.


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post Aug 17 2010, 11:37 AM

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I have just registered with TM UNIFI yesterday, upgrade from Streamyx Combo.

I was informed, my current telephone number (8062xxxx) will be changed to a new assigned number (8051xxxx), do you have the similar scenario?

My current house is double storey terrace with overhead telephone pole at backlane; I have few questions as follow: -

a) How does TM going to lay fibre to my house, ground floor living room from the backlane, will there be a major hacking work?

b) Anyone installed at 1st floor where hacking work is minimum for d/storey house?

c) I have house alarm connected to my existing telephone line, will there be extra charge if I ask TM contractor to split a tel line to the house alarm control panel?

Thanks in advance for replying.

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post Aug 17 2010, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(pr0di9y @ Aug 17 2010, 12:00 PM)
You main concern would be how far the telephone pole connection to your home. My setup is basically from the telephone pole to my house on the 1st floor. I'm not sure how long the cable was and also there wasn't much hacking needed. Just need to drill an exit hole to accommodate the fiber optic port installation onto your room. If you room is near the telephone pole behind your house then it would be added advantage for you.

I would say just use the telephone number they give to you, no rental fees needed for monthly payment. Your only concern would be local calls to other hand phone operators which is 10cents/min. Unless somehow you want to spend the extra money to pay the rental fee for your old phone line without having a Streamyx account tied to it, it would be a waste of money.
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Thanks for prompt reply, pr0di9y!

The overhead telephone pole just one house from my house, so it's consider near i think, I do not think there is any much difference since TM is laying fibre optic to home (whether single mode or multi-mode, i believe it will be multi-mode type as single-mode is for long distance fibre-fibre connection).

My current network setup is located at living room @ ground floor besides TV where the concealed telephone outlet; all my kitchen as fully tiles (wall), I do not think it's good idea to lay fibre optic @ ground floor unless TM has other alternative. Wonder if TM can lay the fibre optic via existing concealed telephone conduit by tie the existing telephone cable (internal grey cable) then pull out the old one and draw in the new fibre optic cable, it's tedious work.

If I have no choice, I would need to have my new network setup at 1st floor family room outsides all the bedrooms, and I may need a well-ventilated fan as 1st floor is hotter than ground floor (no choice) as the network equipment will get hot in the long run (24/7). But problem now is my TV is located at ground floor, how do I connect the STB to BTU or DIR-615 which are located at 1st floor?

I hope the above will give clearer picture on my intent network setup, please share or correct me if you have better idea, thanks in advance.

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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ Aug 17 2010, 11:45 AM)
You will actually get a new number, but you will have an option to keep the old number if you want to (but still have to pay the monthly rental).
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I would rather get the telephone number as not many ppl use fixed line nowadays, changing telephone number is not a concern and can avoid paying monthly rental under the UNIFI package.

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post Aug 17 2010, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(alextong8386 @ Aug 17 2010, 11:56 AM)
It depend on your expectation if you want to conceal all your wiring in the wall or not? If not, there will install all the wire in a plastic casing. Even without hacking, it will not very nice also. I will recommend you to conceal all the wire in the wall. Make sure you get someone who is expert on this conceal work.


I do not think I can conceal the fibre optic cable as my kitchen and dining room are fully tiles upto slab.

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As long as you connect the a RJ11 line from Huawei fiber modem TEL1 to your telephone point. All your existing telephone point will be connected by VOIP which include your house alarm. You can DIY.
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As my above post, if my network setup is on first floor, how do I connect my telephone line from Huawei fibre modem BTU (1st floor) to my existing telephone point located at ground floor, sorry that I did not mention my existing house alarm panel is located at first floor, that's will be shorter path to lay the RJ11 cable from Huawei to house alarm panel.

Actually I intent to have the fibre optic cable to be laid in the ceiling/roof space from the overhead pole, then from the ceiling have a tiny hole vertically drop at the edge of wall with PVC casing , and the PVC casing can also accomodate the incoming (fibre) and outgoing (RJ11) to ceiling space and ceiling drop to house alarm panel with another PVC casing. So far this is best way I can think of unless you have a better idea. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 17 2010, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(billytong @ Aug 17 2010, 03:44 PM)
To be honest, most of us here would prefer TM to "upgrade" the cap than the speed. 5mbps is enough for me, cap is the issue need to be upgrade if Tm really want to upgrade unifi service tongue.gif
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+1 Well said rclxms.gif Vote for no cap !

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post Aug 17 2010, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(akerue @ Aug 17 2010, 03:52 PM)
Use a pair of homeplug, many in this forum have used it and it works for me well.
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Thanks, I also think about this alternative/solution. But will there be a signal loss as IPTV/WTB required very high downloadable transmission speed? Usually STB or IPTV should be close to the BTU ?

Wow, I need to prepare at least 4-5 plug outlets at first floor as follow -

a) BTU;
b) DIR-615 (VDSL modem);
c) STB (unless I move STB to living room ground floor)
d) DECT phone (not priority) as this cordless phone may interrupt my house wifi @ 2.4Ghz when the cordless ring, anyone experience ? My streaming audio via wifi was distrurbed by this.
e) Customer router (VLAN bridge for wireless connection)
f) Homeplug for STB at ground floor home plug for STB



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QUOTE(richard912 @ Aug 17 2010, 04:20 PM)
My BTU is located in my study while the STB is in the livingroom (I live in an apartment). I have no problems with lag using a pair of homeplugs which can run at 200mbps between the BTU and STB but do note that the DIR 615 ports are only 10/100. Just make sure the pair of plugs are on the same phase of your home electrical circuit.

If you are worried about having too many plugpoints, go for the HL109EP model.

FYI, Aztech, the maker of the Homeplug, has since launched a gigabit version of the homeplug
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Thx richard912, then it's bottle neck at 10/100Mbps even though the homeplug is 200Mbps, can the homeplug be connected to BTU ? what is the transmission speed of BTU?

How much are they selling approximately? are they selling for pairs?

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post Aug 17 2010, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(calvin92 @ Aug 17 2010, 05:00 PM)
No cap = Throttled like 4MB streamyx.
no cap also mean certain people will download several TB a month.
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Ok, i see, what will be the cap per day or cap per month?

2 hours movie in DVD dual layer is approx. 8.5 GB, if you watching average 4 hours internet TV per day alone without PC internet, that will be approx. 17GB per day.

Monthly will be 510GB per month or 0.5 TB per month.


Correct me if I am wrong from the above assumption ?
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post Aug 17 2010, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(akerue @ Aug 17 2010, 04:46 PM)

Anyway, IPTV only need 8 Mbps even for HD channel, so the 200 Mbps homeplug should be fine.
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Where did you connect your home plug, DIR 615 or BTU? but you only get 10/100 Mbps though a 200Mbps homeplug ?

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