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 Nokia N900 V4 (More than 100 owners), Where tablet meets mobile phone

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post Aug 10 2010, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 10 2010, 07:56 PM)
really? i read somewhere that n900 has a pretty good music chip.
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A good chip does not a good music player make. Lol... I have a dedicated DAP to do that, and the battery life of the N900 prevents extensive music use anyhow.
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post Aug 10 2010, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(Daniel89 @ Aug 10 2010, 09:31 PM)
You bought original or AP set eh ? How come the N900 will do thing by it own  doh.gif
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It's a magical phone with a life of it's own...

No, really.
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post Aug 11 2010, 05:59 AM

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QUOTE(jananan @ Aug 11 2010, 05:12 AM)
UE TripleFi series...  brows.gif  sweat.gif

i need to rob a bank... brb
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I HAVE the Trips lol. And I use the Fischer Eterna a LOT more then the Trips due to it being more "enjoyable" in the long run (it's more comfortable and "fun").

The Trips might be superior in terms of pure SQ but with the crap sources I throw at them, they just tire my ears easily lol. They are just THAT unforgiving of bad source material.

Now, to save money for a Hippo Gumstick and a Fischer DBA02, what can I say, I like them Russians.

How much are the Trips on the market now anyway?
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post Aug 11 2010, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Aug 11 2010, 06:04 PM)
Actually the lag is caused by the use of Swap Memory... When you ram usage increase, so does your swap memory. If there is no swap memory, you most probably will not have these problems.
Not sure if there is way to limit the use of Swap Memory and clears it *properly*.

The non-proper way of clearing swap memory is by turn it off and turning it on. Yes, there is way to turn off the swap memory but it's may cause instability.

Another way to clear off swap memory is... same like your PC... RESTART...
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Another non proper way is to modify swappiness, the original value is "100" (means that the system will swap often) IINM, change that to "30" or "60" (swapping less) for increased performance at the risk of higher RAM usage (and potentially having not enough RAM for incoming phone calls - the "phone" app seems to need a lot of free RAM - especially when set at 30).

Also, do the "increase responsiveness" trick mentioned on the Maemo.org overclocking wiki. All these will lead to a system that would take longer to lag (it will STILL lag, eventually).

I also set (or I USED to set, my baby is still in the hospital) my N900 to restart on its own every day at 4.30am, using fcron (you can also use "Alarmed" from the repos for an app with a GUI), and this ensures I have a fresh N900 every morning.
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QUOTE(Audiologist @ Aug 12 2010, 05:29 AM)
Hi guys,

I am considering to buy an N900, and I have read through all about this phone. But there is still something I need to find out before I buy it.

I am using a Nokia N73, and I don't have a 3G sim card. I am not going to upgrade my sim card to a 3G card, because I am not a heavy internet user, and I am not always on FB or msn.

I know some of you might think to use such a phone with a non 3G sim is something stupid, well may be I am. But I do need something like wifi and GPS.

Because I travel a lot, in m'sia and overseas, so GPS is quite a useful tool for me. And if I need internet, I can simply go to any wifi hotspot instead of using a telco's data plan. Specially when I'm oversea, msn saves a lot of money.

So, my questions are:

1) Since I am using a non 3G sim, but GPRS is available. If I use the wifi, will I get to switch to GPRS automatically? If so, that will cost a bomb in my bill. Is there a setting to stay on wifi without being switch to GPRS accidently?

2) GPS. Same concern as above. It is totally working on satelite or internet?

3) MMS. Some said the rate is as normal, but some said it will cost a bomb. Is it working the same way as my N73 now with GPRS or something more expensive if I don't have a data plan with my telco?

4) I checked at Nokia site. It stated that the new firmware now support potrait browsing. I prefer to have my phone UI in chinese, and I am doing a lot of chinese sms. Will I still be able to use the virtual keypad in potrait mode after I install the chinese software?

5) I am not going to install many apps and games in it, so, is the original speed of 600mHz will run smooth? Because I am not planning to overclock it.

Thats it for all. Hope some of you experts can help me. Thanks in advance.
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1) Well, you're in total control of data connections, so it's no real problem. If it tries to connect to cellular anyway, you can always hack things to stop it COMPLETELY, it's Linux after all.

2) Yes, but the included GPS apps (Ovi Maps / Sygic) are generally crap IMHO. Locally at least. And Ovi Maps NEEDS WIFI/Cellular data unless you've loaded maps onto it. BUT, you can installl NITDroid and use Papago as well, IINM.

3) No idea, I'm (or at least I was) on unlimited data.

4) That's PORTRAIT WEB BROWSING: There's no such thing as full UI Portrait mode YET (except switching a few programs to portrait mode, which is buggy). And no, input in portrait is still quite buggy. Even portrait web browsing has no input options, at least no official ones (hacks are available, but like I said, it's buggy). Even chinese input to begin with is a bit buggy.

Yes, "buggy" is the imperative word here when it comes to portrait in any sense on the N900 for now.

5) It runs smoothly enough, and it really doesn't matter how many apps or games you install. It's how many apps and games YOU RUN AT ONE TIME (multi-tasking) that slows down the system sans OC (it slows down the system even IF you OC).

But like you said, you're not a heavy internet user. Which really negates the MAIN ADVANTAGE of the N900 in my opinion: the web browsing and web related apps. I really wouldn't recommend you use it as your main phone UNLESS you live and breathe the internet (and like Linux), as the phone functions are still immature.

They work fine, yes, but well... it's like somebody threw in a few phone related apps as an afterthought into a internet tablet, that's all.

If you want things on the phone side to work well, all the time, the N900 will slowly piss you off - unless you're patient. I love the N900 yes, but even I am running off to an E71 as my main phone and plan to use the N900 for internet consumption mainly (with either a secondary data plan or with the E71 running Joikuspot).

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QUOTE(Audiologist @ Aug 12 2010, 12:50 PM)
Thanks to those who replied my post, appreciated.

Well, I know some of you are saying that it is not a good idea to use this phone without bundle with a 3G plan. I am looking for a device which I can use it as a secondary laptop or computer in the move, something like a MID or a netbook for me to do some light work over the internet.

I did a research about this in the past few months. Windows Mobile is totally out. Iphone, not my cup of tea, in fact, beside the processor speed and apps of the Iphone, I really don't see how powerful the Iphone is over N900. The N900 can be more powerful than Iphone if you know how to and what to do with it. Andriod, it can run on N900 too. Blackberry, they are good devices, but they are useless without a data plan.

I was also considered the 5800 and X6 before I looking at the N900. The screen of 5800 and X6 are the same size, it is too small for internet browsing. And the X6 is only come with internal memory, which I don't like either. Not to mention the disadvantages of Symbian over Meamo.

And some of you may ask, why not just get a MID or a netbook? Well, MID is way too big, at least, bigger than a PDA size phone. A netbook or a normal laptop will be too cumbersome if I only need to check a few emails. And I don't want to carry too many stuffs when I travel. And wifi is every where, Oldtown, Mc D......... Why would I spend more on a data/3G plan? FB? I rather do it at home.

The capability of N900 is what attracting me, it is a mini tablet with phone function, its what I'm after. I just need to clear something out before I buy it.

So, MMS. It is working over internet connection instead of GPRS? About GPS, as far as I know, A-GPS can be only work with satelite? No?
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The A-GPS's network connection can be disabled, it's under "network positioning". Which means yeah, you can run it on pure GPS.

ALSO, the one to wait for is the new N9 - or whatever Nokia decides to call the N8 with the keyboard. Yeah I know Symbian has its problems, but you cannot deny that in terms of phone functions, Symbian has got it nailed. And there's MILES more apps for Symbian. Main thing is, it SHOULD have USB OTG working out of the box (compared to on the N900, which is still a hack in progress) - and with that, the N9 should be KILLER for OFFLINE work.

But if most of your work is done ONLINE through a web browser - then there is nothing even close to the N900 IMHO.

As for having no data plans, well, I just can't imagine that any more nowadays. Try surfing the net while relaxing by the side of the road on a cycle up Fraser's hill and you'll understand the freedom that it provides - although I do understand the fact that the cost is prohibitive to some (though both Maxis and Celcom have good entry level broadband packages nowadays, RM48 and RM38 per month respectively).

But being in metropolitan areas most of the time actually negates the need for cellular data anyway. Like you said, free WIFI is everywhere.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Aug 12 2010, 05:33 PM)
RAM usage 100%????? WOW!
I've never seen 100% usage, never see it used above 200MB before.
It will use up swap usage when it require more ram, thus increasing the swap usage. When swap usage gets higher, the phone will start to lag and less responsive...

You can try install HTOP, then you can see DETAILED information on each process, you can order by highest RAM usage, processor usage, etc.

What about your rootfs free?

There're 2GB dedicated space for application; optified apps will only take up little space on rootfs. Non-optified app will/might take up a lot of space on your rootfs and this will give you problem if you rootfs is low.
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LOL, first time I've heard this also. Are you backgrounding apps rather than stopping them, like all the time? Highest my RAM usage has ever gone is like 70% and that's WITH modded swappiness (RAM used more than swap) and a whole bunch of apps running at once.

Memory leaks from ExtDevel apps?

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QUOTE(ShrugsLova @ Aug 12 2010, 08:42 PM)
7) when you talk maemo to girls, they think you're making up story for date
8) people automatically list you under geeks, after seeing your phone
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Won't no 8 automatically result in no 9 happening even less lol?

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QUOTE(ShrugsLova @ Aug 12 2010, 08:55 PM)
no.8 is when you talk maemo to girls says in a pub on your first meeting, they will go like:

"Who's he going to fool, I know WinMo, Apple OS, Android but not heard of maemo. What a lame guy, don't know which kampung one"

but then when no.9; you show your phone, they will like:

"Okay, now this guy is freaking me out. 100% geek like real 100% no insurance geek. I dont even know that phone exist, he must writing his own OS. DAMN"

or best answer:

"China phone"
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LOL man, just LOL... thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(hsienhsien @ Aug 12 2010, 08:52 PM)
do u think is it worth to change n97 to n900?
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I had an N97 Mini, and while it's a good phone the N900 is a far better computer... thumbup.gif

Depends on what you need, a good phone or a great computer (that can also make calls sometimes)... brows.gif

@ShrugsLova: Resistive on the N900 is not bad, at least if you're using fingers. But, can you draw on the iPhone like you can on the N900? Main reason why the N900 screen and it's pressure sensitivity is unique in the smartphone world.

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Lessening xtermititis by using PuTTY on the E71 to SSH into my laptop, all to play with a command prompt... Sad eh?

Also, VNC+ is working... It's nothing compared to the VNC Viewer on the N900, but it's somehow faster at the same time lol.

I still miss my microb though.

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QUOTE(Audiologist @ Aug 13 2010, 12:59 AM)
VNC is working? This is interesting........... I am using a lot of VNC remote in my job, and was about to explore to that part about the N900. Thanks for mention it here.

Which VNC are you using on the N900? Linux based? Mind to share the link to it?
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I was mentioning Shape VNC+ on the E71 back there, but yeah, there IS a good VNC viewer (which is called, well, VNC Viewer) on the N900 which I used a lot back when my N900 was alive.

It's available in the extras/extras-devel repositories from Application Manager on the N900.

JIC you don't know what AppMan does, it's a Program Catalog that works like other Linux package managers (synaptic etc) and you'll need an active internet connection to install. It doesn't matter if its 3G or WIFI.

To configure, I used this guide here: http://variableghz.com/2008/09/getting-serious-about-vnc/

Although if you're already using a lot of VNC, you'll probably know all about this already.

On the N900 viewer side of things, there isn't much to configure. Just enter your target IP:host and connect.

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QUOTE(scavenger_9 @ Aug 13 2010, 05:26 PM)
After exhausing thinkering around with the Sygic 9 GPS app, finally managed to integrate Garmin POI from MFM to work with it . Ported lists are :-

-Accident areas
-Night Market
-Pasar Tani
-Railway Crossings
-Red Light Camera
-Road Junction
-Selekoh Tajam
-Speed Trap
-Sekolah

Still in testing phases as i am learning how to create custom icons as i am dissatisfied with current/original ones. If all is well, will start playing around with mapsource to intergrate Garmin img maps as well.

I am however a bit weary in posting my findings here for sharing as i am afraid of copyright issues. That is why MFM stop making Papago maps since April 2010. No resolves until today. Did posted to MFM site owner about this issue 2 weeks ago but no reply until now. Keeping fingers crossed. If all goes well, we'll have a nice/good updated GPS app to play with.
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Good luck bro, I managed to do the same but EXTRACTING place POIs from the main map proved to be the impossible part. Gave up soon after that, and even the great MFM POIs are useless with the outdated Sygic 9 maps. Maybe the Sygic 10 map would be better.

Oh, and porting IMG files are REALLY, REALLY hard last I checked. It's great if you have a way to do it though.

@audiologist: Yeah, that's the one.
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In the end, N8 is a GREAT cameraphone and the N900 is a GREAT tablet. Pick your poison.

Or wait for the next Meego superphone.

Although, I'd rather Nokia update their messenger/business line (the E-series) as well - the E72 with a better, sharper screen would be killer really (I'd ask for the E71's stability as well, but that would be asking for too much lol).

But if they don't, I guess the supposed N9 would be oooookay lah. Fully working USB-OTG has always been a killer feature to me.
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QUOTE(Daniel89 @ Aug 17 2010, 08:05 PM)
Guys last time while I reading the thread we can control our N900 with our computer right ? Like we download app and install the app with our computer with the N900 connect how to do it eh ?
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Search for x11vnc for controlling N900 from computer.

Search for openSSH and WinSCP for accessing N900 files using WIFI from computer.

Hope that helps.

*SIGH*

I think by the time my N900 comes out of the hospital, the N1000 (or at least the N8/N9) would have come out already lol.
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post Aug 18 2010, 07:22 PM

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Just got a call from my local repair guys: same answer, my N900 is unrepairable. What the...

Now this is getting curiously strange. I can understand Nokia Care not wanting to repair my AP phone and giving me an excuse, but a third party repair shop?

Seriously strange. Just how freakin broken IS my N900?
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@everyone: Oh well, if I bought it myself sure buy Original edi. Now will wait for the dual-core gen devices to come, and see if they're any better then the N900 in terms of overall usability.

They have to be almost as good as the N900 PLUS my E71.

If by then the new bunch of devices offer not much improvement over the N900, I'll just get myself another N900 heh, by then it'll surely be cheap edi.

QUOTE(haushinka @ Aug 18 2010, 09:05 PM)
transmission is the apps that enable n900 to download the torrent file....any1 got try? i did tried...manage to download...but i noticed the responsiveness of the phone decreased...but not too bad...its like if u used that apps..u unable to multitask alot cos i beleived that apps eat alot of ram...correct me if im mistaken...^^V
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In simple terms: Transmission is made for use with hard-disks or desktop level SSDs. It is too heavy for the 32GB eMMC and it slows down access to system files --> decreasing responsiveness.Even if you're downloading to the memory card.

It has absolutely nothing to do with OCing, it will slow down the system even if you're OCed.

For something better, google for "flashlite ctorrent maemo". This is an old app, but it does not slow down the system too much while downloading torrents.

In complex terms:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Aug 19 2010, 10:37 AM)
i am not sure with that i tried OC and download . It seems to be faster and less laggy compare without OC
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Hmm, slightly maybe. I didn't feel much difference when I tested though, it still slows down the system too much for usual multitasking.

Here's the full story from the ctorrent Flashlite site.

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FlashLite approach is especially useful mobile devices having NAND flash storage inside. Due to the restricted resources of mobile devices, the NAND flash storage devices show relatively poor random write performance, in general. For example, in October 2009, a video clip was uploaded on YouTube , which was showing that Transmission (P2P file sharing program) was running on Nokia N900 smart phone. However, according to the video clip, N900 system was almost not responding during P2P downloading, and the problem can be solved by FlashLite approach.

To prove that, we applied FlashLite approach to the console based torrent client, named Enhanced CTorrent. We open our source patch as a open source so that anyone can evaluate it.


Taken from: https://wiki.cc.gatech.edu/epl/index.php/FlashLite

Install files are there too.
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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Aug 19 2010, 10:56 PM)
http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwer...-china/#3277330

Have to say it's looks good.
New type of battery too.So thats a improvement over N900/N8.
Seems like Nokia did learn few things from past mistakes.
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You posted that right before I could lol. If it has OTG and a decent spec (and it's not just a 'shopped leak), I'm sold.
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Aug 19 2010, 11:21 PM)
problem its not a direct connector. it stuill requires a converter
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You can get a MicroUSB-USB converter anywhere nowadays, so no real biggie. A full sized USB slot MIGHT fit the N900 (considering its size), but this supposed N9 seems, well, too slim?

Anyways, it looks like a pre-proto anyway. Hopefully somebody improves it further in the next 4 (supposed) months left to go.

The BV-4V is new. Its rumored to hold the same 1320mAh, but in different dimensions compared to the BL-5J.

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QUOTE(firstknight @ Aug 19 2010, 11:26 PM)
yo eiraku... you got back your n900?? pic of your otterbox?
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Yeap, but it's dead. Completely.

Anyone wants my Otterbox? I can sell it for a tad cheaper then retail (I got it for RM100) to cover for my new Symbian purchases (I just bought Googasync and FreeISMS business edition a few weeks ago). It bearly spent a month on my N900 + I've modded a lanyard/strap hole on it too, and some electrical tape inside to stop it from rattling around (PLUS giving EXTRA shock protection lol).

But really, it's the BEST case I've ever used. I'm even considering one for my E71.

Will do the review in a few days, then we'll see if anyone's interested.

Even if I MIGHT just get a new N900 much much later (if the N8 QWERTY/N9 fails me at launch and makes me sad), I'll just get a new one lol.

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