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Jet23sky
post Jul 16 2010, 04:51 PM

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Lucky I purchase 5870 rather than 5830 or 5850, or else now I should be regretting not to wait for few months more... icon_rolleyes.gif

Catalyst 10.6 driver is around the corner. Rumours said that the driver will be released by Wednesday. Main point is the VLC on GPU support. Thinking of changing my player from media player classic to VLC player. rclxub.gif

One more thing need to ask. Can 5870 graphic card crossfire with eyefinity version of 5870? Both chipsets are same right?

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post Jul 16 2010, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Jul 16 2010, 04:57 PM)
If not mistaken, that's not CCC 10.6 WHQL(last month). This month is CCC 10.7 WHQL.
It's going to be out on 21th July 2010 if not wrong.  nod.gif  nod.gif
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Haha... My mistake.... Maybe sick too long already. tongue.gif Then how bout the graphic card crossfire compatibility? Anyone know?
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post Jul 25 2010, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(skylinegtr34rule4life @ Jul 24 2010, 02:50 PM)
unless 470 480 replacement is out,,,we wont b watching 5870/5970 dropping price laugh.gif 465 just out few months ago ardy EOL 2 fast doh.gif
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Sigh... I'm waiting so long trying to get second 5870 crossfire.... guess have to wait awhile T__T
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post Jul 30 2010, 10:03 AM

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I think my bios is not up to date, cause I dont even know how to flash it and the guidelines seems confusing me >.<

I did download the 10.7 CCC. But i haven't tried installing it. Cause the "ahem" version of starcraft 2 is still..... u know lah hehe.

I will reinstall the driver once the "ahem" version is finished, should be by this afternoon.

But based on the release notes, I know that.

1) ATI is really focus quite alot on video decoder side.

2) Games performance seems lesser and lesser ( does it mean it has reached its limit? )

3) There are still a lot spaces for crossfire performance to be developed.

Thats wat I think. Any offend pls forgive me . sweat.gif
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post Aug 14 2010, 11:03 PM

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Does it mean the HD5000 can crossfire with HD6000 series since both of them are using the same 40nm? If it is true then I can wait the 6000 series to crossfire my 5870. brows.gif
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post Aug 15 2010, 11:31 AM

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Who knows.. it is still possible that one HD6000 cross with HD5000 is better than crossing both 5870, I'm sure there is some difference, but maybe it's not that significant. And furthermore we still don't know other feature such as power consumption and cooling in HD6000, up till now the news we know is that there will be a little bit of performance gain compare btw HD5000 and HD6000. But I'm sure ATI will figure something else. brows.gif

In price wise, HD6000 will cost around the same price as when 5000 series first released back in September 2009. As you all know that ATI will not even dare to push up the cost as one of their major success is their price as well. (That's my guess though).

I have been wondering, why ATI has to make a new series instead of further naming as the 5000 series since it is the same size chipset and there isn't much performance difference between 5000 and 6000. So I'm sure ATI will have some "secrets" haven't revealed yet for 6000 series. brows.gif

So lets hope we heard good news in October.
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post Aug 15 2010, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(Nosferatu @ Aug 15 2010, 05:24 PM)
i wouldnt bet on it.
Even tho using still 40nm, HD5000 series cant even crossfire between all their families.
They can only crossfire between 58XX, 57XX
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In fact, it can crossfire (Not all though) brows.gif

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-crossfir...ew-31963-6.html

Tomshardware itself can't really tell whether it will cause any damage or not. But from their test, it has been confirmed that it can be crossfire together. ( They even test multiple hardcore games already, I think it should be in stable ) icon_rolleyes.gif

Anything can happen though. Of course, you get the fps from what you have crossfired it. biggrin.gif




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post Aug 15 2010, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(Nosferatu @ Aug 15 2010, 08:58 PM)
I think I wasnt clear enough.
What I meant to say was, the cards cant cross fire like 58XX + 57XX. Its always 58XX + 58XX or 57XX + 57XX.

exactly what the tomshardware chart shows tongue.gif
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I thought u follow ATI chart though as you show us sweat.gif


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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Aug 15 2010, 09:50 PM)
I thought u follow ATI chart though as you show us  sweat.gif
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I would like to know the performance difference between crossfire two 5870 and crossfire 5970 and 5870. Anyone got any statistic provide?

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post Aug 23 2010, 08:50 PM

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Those who plan to crossfire HD5850, give you some good news. Nvidia has dropped 470 price already. Which it is almost same price as 5850. Just wait ATI respond for the next 2 weeks to see whether 5850 will drop price or not...
Sigh.... I'm still waiting 5870 to drop price so I can crossfire it. cry.gif

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Nvidia has decided to put a lot of pressure on Radeon 5000 series. If all goes well in a few months ATI will launch its Radeon 6000 series, and today, in late August, Nvidia decided to drop the price of Geforce GTX 470.

Geforce GTX 470 was doomed ever since Nvidia launched GTX 460 based on a new GF104 chip as the price performance ratio was great. If we go further back, GTX 470 was never a hot seller as the ones who have waited for Fermi always wanted the more expensive and yet faster GTX 480 and GTX 470 was always a second choice card. Today GTX 470 based on old and quite hot GF100 sells for just under €250 for Asus card, while most of these cards still sell for €275. The timing is great as now is the peak of back-to-school shopping spree.

This looks like a new birth for GTX 470 as this 607/ 838MHz clocked card matches the price of Radeon HD 5850 and performance wise it comes close to Radeon HD 5870. If you care about TDP, then Radeon HD 5000 series is still a better choice, but if you want the performance better than 5850 at the same price, this is the card to consider.

ATI still hasn't dropped its price as Radeon HD 5850 sells for some €240 - €250 while Radeon HD 5870 sells for at least €337 and more.
Geforce GTX 470 drops to €250
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post Aug 31 2010, 10:48 AM

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Don't know whether I should sell my 5870 and get 6000 series or I just crossfire it. I might worry the price of 6000 series is not just RM1400 =____= as last 5000 series.
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post Sep 2 2010, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(JoBigShow @ Sep 2 2010, 08:58 AM)
U'r confused bro, I said that to bro jet23sky because he got TX850 (assuming, from his sig) so CF's a 5870 is no prob for him, unlike other people who are using lower wattage PSU and having a dillema such that: a CF'd 58xx series is value for money per performance but have to spent more on a new PSU...a 6 Series is the new card (plus no need to buy new PSU) but if compared to CF'ing a 58xx to upgrading to a 6 Seires in a financial point of view, fianacially CF'ing the 58xx is the choice.
FYI, to upgrade the card, you gotta sell your 58xx for cheap because of depreciation and need to top-up more to buy the 6 Series, whereas CF'ing the 5 Series you just need to buy another 'price-drop' 58xx series, or cheap via 2nd-hand card. 

DX12! Don't think Windows 7 has that support/compatibility yet, prolly will come out with Windows '8' or Windows 7 "V2"/patch...
Yup, the 6800 Series will have DirectX 12 but seriously, DX12 is really in the dark at the moment, dunno what it is capable of and more importantly, will games have DX12 support?

I think games will have DX11.5 that can be compatible with DX12 cards but I think I just rambling because it's too soon to speculate much...
Guys, any opinion on this????
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Haha.... You got me. Yeah... It is true that I plan to crossfire it during purchasing pc, thats why I choose TX850. Or else i might as well get RM200 cheaper power supply already. Ngek ngek. Actually in order to crossfire it, we just need 700 watt power supply. i overestimate the power usage of 5870 that time haha. Impress impress.....

The most reason that i'm thinking of upgrading to 6000 series is because i worry AMD might release the thing ( forgot wat name ) which can on par with Nvidia physics. And also performance difference. I won't be selling it so quickly until I read the real benchmark of 6000 series which I have done before before purchase of 5870.

Price dropped? Well.... I really don't give much hope on that cause ever since September 2009, ATI has never dropped 5870 graphic card price. Even it dropped, it might be just a bit only ( just try to scare nvidia 480 biggrin.gif ). so it might be quite some time to see 5870 drop until below RM1k like old 4890.

Overall 5000 series seems a little bit short during graphic era, if my memory serves correctly, 4000 series has already conquer 2 years back right? rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 3 2010, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(huzzLEE_82 @ Sep 3 2010, 08:44 AM)
@angrysnail...wah really tat gud ka HD5970?
so powah & still can stand quite a time untill it will become obselete....
same dilemma here,nak CF 5870 ka or 5970...

so u have any advice base on technical poit of view?
like 4 sure CF5870 the power consumption a little higher than 5970..
but the pro & cons should b considered.....
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Actually right now 5870 almost can play any game on ultra setting. ( Don't tell me those crazy graphic performance eater like metro 2033, crysis 2 etc, all even 5970 cant run it smoothly in ultra haha ) 5870 is enough to hang on until end of 2011, until that time you can get second 5870 graphic card to crossfire to save money or can straight get 7000 series.

Seriously I do not think 6000 series is not a good time to purchase cause we all know that the next generation of graphic card is compute graphic, which guessing 7000 series with smaller chipset will have the feature. And also it is possible that PCI-Express 3.0 will be release somewhere in 2011. ( Thats wat i read about the news, but not yet being confirmed ). Which that mean you most probably need to get a new motherboard >.<

Hopefully this 6000 series will give me some eyecandy and nice features for me to impress, or else, most probably will just crossfire it. P/S: crossfire 5870 performance is better than single 5970. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 3 2010, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(lichyetan @ Sep 3 2010, 09:07 AM)
my 4890 still serves well... but suffer lagging in some games...

i might move to 6k series if the performance improvement is good...

currently dont think a good move if moving from 4890 to 5 series... skip 2 generation we might see more improvement...
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You can try to crossfire your 4890 though if you want... Best budget than ever....
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post Sep 3 2010, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(Clem1982 @ Sep 3 2010, 09:57 AM)
U think its a good buy? sure the 4890 is very good but the price is somewhat stagnant isn't it?
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If you are look into the performance and cost, getting another 4890 is really better cause the performance is even can compare with 5870 or even higher. Also I mentioned before, with 5870 single card, I can run almost every game in ultra mode. So you wont lose anything in performance comparing the newest version. Dont look down at 4000 series. They are still potential in gaming performance.

If you are look into temperature, power usage and xtra feature like directx 11 or so. Changing the 5000 series or 6000 series would be better. But bear in mind, AMD will completely change the chipset even smaller after 6000 series generation. So comparing between 5000 and 6000 might be closer than comparing between 6000 and 7000 ( even though i dont know the 7000 performance though, but the performance wise, it has high performance potential due to chipset i truly believe ). And also the price of getting 4890 is on par with getting 5770 graphic card which performance wise, it will drop alot comparing crossfire 4890. So it's really up to you whether which one you prefer.

Of course I would prefer performance, game slow.... no need to talk about xtra feature, it wont speed up that much though tongue.gif, thats y I get 5870. icon_rolleyes.gif

My previous graphic card is 7600GT. Can you imagine how many era I have jumped since then whistling.gif

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post Sep 3 2010, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(angrysnail @ Sep 3 2010, 12:48 PM)
I'm from Nvidia FX5200 AGP to HD5770.. wub.gif

and my 2010 RiG will target HD5970.... thumbup.gif
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Haha, forgot to tell you, my 7600GT is AGP slot. LOL. So performance wise, almost same as yours cause limit of memory used.

Lets wait 6000 series benchmark.. Seriously eager to know what kind of thing they can produce this time to make us persuasive enough to purchase it laugh.gif

I have a bad feeling that 6000 series price ( 6870 ) will cost somewhere 1.4 ~ 1.6k cause right now 5870 price is still remain at 1.3k .... But happy enough is that my card is still valuable ever since January.... Hurray~~~
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post Sep 6 2010, 07:40 PM

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Give you guys some eyecandy on 6000 series graphic card. It has 2 DVI, 1 HDMI and 2 Display Port which I have no idea what is the reason behind this. hmm.gif

Most important thing, batmobile design again!! They are even lazy in design new series card lolz.

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Source: http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/graphics/...card-pixellized

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post Sep 7 2010, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(Volt @ Sep 7 2010, 08:11 AM)
Actually Wikipedia isnt a reliable source. Anybody add on/edit it smile.gif
better wait for AMD official spec if want something more reliable/ accurate
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That's true. Wikipedia is not a good reference website, if it can be referenced, alot of project and assignment should be easily handled during college/uni. brows.gif

The most exciting part ( actually is I am much concern ) is the price for 6000 series card. and ATI still did not make it as 6 display eyefinity card by default. Judging by its length. It might be longer due to the increasing of transistor. But I don't think it will be any longer anymore. If ATI tries to make it longer again, don't think it can even fit on full size tower. brows.gif Wait, or should i say, later graphic card PCI slot break even easier due to heaviness ( that's quite common during 5870 and 5970 installation ). unsure.gif

Really hope fusion technology will be added in this 6000 series... Awwwwww.... doh.gif
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post Sep 7 2010, 10:19 PM

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Wow it seems like 6000 series codename Caicos is closing to our market. Image is released every moment. brows.gif

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This time is so called 6300 series which will replace 5400 series.

It has 650MHz for the core and 800MHz for 1GB of DDR3 memory.

I think no one care about this low end card as everyone is so eager getting the high performance one. But hey I'm sure there is someone who has budget limit.

Sources: http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/graphics/...card-pixellized
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post Sep 15 2010, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(huzzLEE_82 @ Sep 15 2010, 02:00 PM)
aiya so fast arr 6870? wonder the price range...
if shift from 5870 is it a gud move?
or stick with with 5870 just suffice?

how about 2x5870?
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We still do not know how good is 6000 series performance or price, cause right now AMD does not leak any information or details regarding it. Everything is still mystery though. But definitely, 2x5870 is faster than 6870 ( or maybe 6970, not quite sure ). So is depend whether you want to jump for performance boost with single card.

For me i think i will stick to 5870 x2 at the moment, really looking forward to the smaller chipset for the next next generation. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 15 2010, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(joellim @ Sep 15 2010, 03:26 PM)
here's some leaked benchmarks. don't know how far can trust but its seems believable at 35% faster than 5870. 30 fps minimum in crysis 1200p very high 4XAA 16XAF. 20% faster than GTX480.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/296836-3...eaked-benchmark

http://vr-zone.com/articles/more-radeon-hd...eaked/9700.html
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If it is 20% faster than GTX480, i have a bad feeling about price wise. ( should be somewhere around 1.6k to 1.8k lolz )

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