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Jet23sky
post Sep 21 2010, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(shinjite @ Sep 21 2010, 01:47 AM)
2560x1600 Metro2033 with very high settings?
It is enough, don't worry smile.gif
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+1. 5870 is already overkill 1920x1080 resolution. brows.gif Those who got 5870 should get monitor which higher than that resolution. ( Including me as well tongue.gif )

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post Sep 23 2010, 10:02 AM

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Still faster than 5000 series

We have heard from several sources that the next generation Radeon HD 6000 series also known as codename Northern Islands are about to launch in late October time.

This means that this time ATI plans to launch in Q4 2010 which is closer to actually shipping time. Last year AMD launched Radeon HD 5000 series in last days of Q3 2009 but it started shipping in Q4 2009. 

All the reports indicate that the new generation is actually a tweaked up design of Radeon HD 5000 and as far as we know, ATI didn’t dramatically improved its tessellation performance. As you probably know by now tessellation is the only big advantage that Nvidia has over DirectX 11 Radeons. The whole generation is naturally faster than the Radeon HD 5000.

The main press event is supposed to take place in glorious Los Angeles in week 43, that starts October 18th, but this is something that we still have to confirm.
Source: http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/graphics/...in-late-october

Well good news is that ATI 6000 series will launch in late October time. Bad news is Nvidia is preparing to hit 6000 series quite hard by applying 28nm chipset instead of 32nm. Which means in performance wise, nvidia might have high chance of knocking the 6000 series real hard, but nvidia claiming that they are having trouble regarding the power usage of the card itself. Only time will tell.
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post Sep 23 2010, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(8tvt @ Sep 23 2010, 10:10 AM)
with 28nm still got power usage prob?
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Yeah, from what I saw they claimed that they are still having heavy power usage on each chipset per watt. They are still looking into it at the moment, and it is still long time until Nvidia release new card. So everything is still mystery, but definitely next gen for Nvidia is 28nm chipset.

But this does not mean 6000 will lose for sure. We still dont know what secret behind AMD is kept for 6000 features until October. As we know that 6000 series will succeed 5000 series. So temperature, power usage will be nice to user. It is just a matter of time when Nvidia release 28nm, 6000 series price will drop like madness and who knows, maybe that time is nearly the 7000 series to fight back.

I think the reason for AMD to produce 6000 series to keep the market secure enough not to give any leak benefit to Nvidia at all. With having a good mid term graphic card for Nvidia (460), AMD wants to get the entire market for sure. cool2.gif

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post Sep 24 2010, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(8tvt @ Sep 24 2010, 02:39 PM)
if that's the case.. 5 series still have more times to go..

but why 5870 phase out.. if midrange 6 series performance is on par..and can beat the pricing...
must wait item..  thumbup.gif
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In fact when I heard the news that Nvidia Next Gen is 28nm, it alerts me not to purchase 6000 series at the moment. Especially i now have 5870. Which I have alternate way by either waiting 28nm card release or crossfire. whistling.gif
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post Sep 24 2010, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(8tvt @ Sep 24 2010, 04:35 PM)
why not 5 series?
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Crysis 2 might be another "Metro 2033" which eats up all your graphic performance ... jejejeje.
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post Sep 26 2010, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(Sib @ Sep 26 2010, 06:56 AM)
guys, do u think 5870 will perform better if i upgrade my current proc to 6 cores?  unsure.gif
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I got 4 core 8 hyperthreading, I never see any game can use more than 2 core at the moment. Except Resident Evil though. blush.gif

Only buy processor with more core when you need more processing power for heavy duty such as photo editing, 3d editing, or even database manipulation.

Actually nowadays application and gaming cannot on par with current trend of process power. The evolution is way too fast that even application and game cannot reach that heavy duty yet.

Moreover, 6 cores might be quite expensive. ( not for AMD definiely hehe ) So stick to your old processor that should be enough. Unless you want make your benchmark score nicer abit on processor mark. shakehead.gif
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post Sep 27 2010, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(huzzLEE_82 @ Sep 27 2010, 10:57 AM)
about the bottleneck issue...
actually in wat situation is called bottleneck? the GC may cause the cpu bottleneck or vice versa?
on technical side,can somebody elaborate more?
i've google up but still vague image...

like said i'm using 5870..so on wat CPU speed will coop nicely with GC?
or it's just better leave ur CPU speed as high as possible so tat the GC will take the benefit on the CPU speed?

any explaination will b much appreciated.. notworthy.gif
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Well I'm not good at explaining, but hope my explaination can make your clear abit.

Actually bottleneck means it is a phenomenon where the performance or capacity of an entire system is limited by a single or limited number of components or resources. So basically is that, if the CPU has limited number of resources ( Processing Power ). The graphic performance will be limited along in order to on par with the processer speed. 5870 is not consider bottleneck for the current processor nowadays. (unless u use single core haha ). But I do find out that 5870 crossfire might ( doubtful ) bottleneck the processor. But nowadays bottleneck is not an issue anymore cause recent processor can be easily overclocked to 3.8ghz (minimum) or higher. So bottleneck is not as issue anymore. brows.gif
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post Sep 27 2010, 02:40 PM

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Thinking of purchasing Accelero Xtreme 5870. Guys, got any other recommendation for 5870 cooler? Once I buy this, I won't get 6000 series anymore sad.gif
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post Sep 27 2010, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(8tvt @ Sep 27 2010, 06:53 PM)
if wait later.. until next year.. due to delays etc..pengsan..
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I just want to know what are those extra features that 6000 series going to offer.... Fusion tech? more improvement on eyefinity? Those are the things that I much likely needed to know. Performance benchmark, very sure is better than current 5000 series. O ya, price is also another thing I wan to know. Who knows maybe 6770 price at 1k. If 6770 price at 1k, then 6800 version will be either RM1400 or RM1800. That time I will be most happy as 5870 user. XD
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post Sep 28 2010, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(gg8989 @ Sep 28 2010, 06:24 PM)
5870>6770>5850>6750?

right?
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At the moment base on the graph, yes. But real benchmark need to wait until October.
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post Sep 30 2010, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(8tvt @ Sep 30 2010, 09:03 AM)
i'm still using 10.3v.. not sure why need to upgrade..
last night i tried darksiders on it still ok.. but really push my gpu to 99% of usage..

cpu usage also quite balance.. @ 50% for all cores..
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Well usually the driver is to enhance performance for some specified game though. But seriously, all those game that ATI has increase performance, it's either i finished playing or I dont like the game. So same side as you, blush.gif
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post Sep 30 2010, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(Clem1982 @ Sep 30 2010, 10:14 AM)
Whatever it is AMD is plannning, we just have to wait... OCT 18... marking down the calendar  tongue.gif
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Bad news for you, it seems like they delayed the card until November. But dont know whether it is true or not, only October will find out

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Update: Actually no, it's on track
Digitimes is reporting that AMD has postponed the planned HD 6000 series by a few weeks. The cards were reportedly supposed to launch on October 12, but it appears that we won’t see them till November.

It’s not like AMD is in much of a hurry, as its old HD 5000 series is still more than a match for fresh Nvidia cards. It is rumoured that Nvidia will cut prices in October to keep up with AMD’s new parts. Nvidia is also planning to introduce the low-end GT 430 in mid-October.

However, it’s worth noting that Nvidia has already cut Fermi pricing several times this year. The GTX 460, which is arguably Nvidia’s most competitive card at the moment, is a good example. When it launched it retailed at €199, which quickly went down to €179 and then in went even lower, quite a bit lower in fact. At the moment, the GTX 460 is available for just €130 in some European markets.

In contrast, AMD has not adjusted the prices of most HD 5000 cards since their launch, nearly a year ago.

More here.

Update: Minutes after posting the story we were informed by some people in the know that the launch will indeed go ahead as planned. We can expect some fresh and tasty Radeons in two weeks, but mass availability should probably be expected sometime in November. As for Nvidia's price cuts, well it's not like they have much choice.
Source: http://fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20331-hd...ack-to-november

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post Sep 30 2010, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(Piros @ Sep 30 2010, 10:59 AM)
+1

Just pass the HD6xxx series and wait for the HD7xxx.
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+1 as well... waiting for 28nm 7000 series. I'm expecting the market wont be better than 5000 series though since everyone is waiting for 28nm. doh.gif
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post Sep 30 2010, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(Clem1982 @ Sep 30 2010, 12:42 PM)
I know but u'd think the price will drop overnight? tongue.gif  wait a bit la when the war is waged till someone is bleeding in the war then we loot the treasures lol  rclxms.gif
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Fast fast make 5870 drop till 1k. Then i can crossfire it. icon_idea.gif

But now if you can check the garage sales, still not many people selling 5000 series though. ( I mean second hand). Which means everyone is still waiting for the 6000 series.
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post Oct 1 2010, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(ketapang @ Oct 1 2010, 01:38 AM)
Thx 4 the feedback. Im still new regarding dis issue. I thought it's nt normal. bcuz my fren cant do gaming due the gpu stops responding and recovered (he encountered VPU error). is the psu nt giving enuf juice? he's using 450w cap ayam btw. so changing to better psu will solve the prob? thx again.
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gpu stops responding and recovered error message might due to quite a number of reason. Just to make sure your driver is a clean installation and try to close down other application which is running at the background and give it a try by playing the game. If the error message is still occured, then you might need to try borrow PSU from your frens and try. 5670.
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post Oct 4 2010, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(8tvt @ Oct 4 2010, 11:30 AM)
but rumors on changing the name and spec.. confusing edy..
not sure which the correct one.. supposedly launching this month right..
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Not sure bro. But 6770 Cost RM800 seems a good price to me... But obviously not too good for 6800 series shakehead.gif
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post Oct 6 2010, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(8tvt @ Oct 6 2010, 09:12 AM)
just wait 1-2.. 5 series almost a year edy..
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Actually I kinda feel that 5 series dominate too little time. It's just one year. I still can remember the 4000 series dominate more than 1 year.

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plan to upgrade to HD5870 but, after heard rumors on new HD 6xxx, now I'm in dilemma. Should I wait or just buy HD5870?
Well... If you are not planning to change graphic after your purchase this then you wait for the 6000 series. ( Assume you have enough money ).

If you want to save money but wanna get 7000 series later on, get 5000 series first ( Of course wait it drops price first biggrin.gif )

OR if you want to save money but not planning to change graphic card later, still get 5000 series. ( 5000 series sure is a best bang for bucks rclxm9.gif )
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post Oct 6 2010, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(8tvt @ Oct 6 2010, 09:21 AM)
5series got plenty more of time.. even games also not much using dX11..
me still using 4series..  tongue.gif
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To be honest, I cant even differentiate btw dx 11 and dx10 during game.. All seems the same to me.. Enjoy the game is more important biggrin.gif . I think those 4 series user include you should be happy that it can still run high quality on recent games. I'm so worried my 5870 cant last long. Especially when the 28nm released, our performance quality dropped like there is no tomorrow LOL
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post Oct 6 2010, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(8tvt @ Oct 6 2010, 09:41 AM)
i think because ur playing dx10 games.. that's why not notice..
but if the game can play in dx11.. got different on shading, texture and realistic mode..

i did compare 4870 with 5770 last time.. it's nice..
since the performance quite the same, i not bother switching..
though the price also very stable no chance to grab with cheap price..

nvidia can't fight.. no price war..
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I got play some dx11 game such as dirt 2, alien vs predator, but not much diff >.< Maybe I did not try the dx10 version of dirt 2. tongue.gif
Haha, nvidia dropped their price just 4 months after the released, you can see what is the pressure behind them. I have no idea what will the nvidia market be after AMD release 6000 series, maybe even 460 also can't help them already doh.gif
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post Oct 6 2010, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(Clem1982 @ Oct 6 2010, 10:40 AM)
Yes I know.. just serving some "light snacks"  tongue.gif


Added on October 6, 2010, 10:41 am
Feeling it right now even  cry.gif was hoping the 460 to initiate the price drop but No.... shakehead.gif
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Just wait for the 28nm nvidia released in the market to beat 6000 series ~~~~ Sigh.... won't see any price dropped until Nvidia released new 28nm T____T

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