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sanjikun
post Apr 25 2005, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(AiRBooM @ Apr 25 2005, 05:01 PM)
my friend's team was using sentinel and the champion team using scourge... as i said... they using bone as main killer and my friend's team using sven as main killer..... the whole match they play i was there observed~  biggrin.gif
sad to say this... bone + nerubian assasin + darkterror( timestop)  = Ouch!!   sad.gif
even mighty sven with burize + BKB + power tread + madness + god streght also died...  cry.gif
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AH CEH!
got 2 heroes issit.......
ceh ceh ceh!
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post Apr 25 2005, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(AiRBooM @ Apr 25 2005, 05:53 PM)
what ceh lar... when gangbang ... sure 5 v 5 hero one mah... if 1 on 1 sven VS bone.. i'd say it's a draw or sven die... unless sven carry gem with him lar... coz bone can use death path on own creeps and can windwalk... u rarely can see bone die especially with BKB   tongue.gif
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not quite....
a 600++ crit would give him an amount of health replenishment...
besides, 1v1 juz run away from him la, wait till his bkb expires, stun him back, whack kao him with god's str....sure can win 1......

nerub + bones.....that's quite dangerous leh, esp. if sven whacks nerub 1st, he'd take alot of damage if he ever critical'ed nerub - spiked carapace, 40% dmg returned....that hurts....


EDIT: and WHERE DA FCUK YOU GET THAT HOMER, AIRBOOM?!
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post Apr 26 2005, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(kinyu @ Apr 25 2005, 08:08 PM)
while you're waiting wont bf attack you, reducing ur hp drastically?
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see who gets lucky lorr....
same level, same damage, same EQ, diff skills.....

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post Apr 26 2005, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(viNcee @ Apr 25 2005, 09:33 PM)
sanji just will not accept the fact that sven can be defeated whistling.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(YuuYuu @ Apr 25 2005, 11:01 PM)
yala, he's been worshipping sven for so long
it's normal for someone to protect the one he worships happy.gif
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"today the enemy shall know fear"
"I WILL FEAR NO ONE, FOR I AM FEAR INCARNATE!"

- Quote from Force Commander -

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post Apr 26 2005, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(Yam @ Apr 26 2005, 09:54 AM)
actually i've been playing razor for quite some time and u should go for radiance first. heres my build:

lvl1: go for 2 ring of regeneration and skill is chain lightning
lvl2: the aura
lvl3: aura
lvl4: chain lightning
lvl5: aura
lvl6: storm seeker

the key area here is to max out the aura as fast as possible coz together with the 2 rings u can hold up to the nukers in early game plus u dun need a boot of speed yet. by lvl 6, or 5 if you're good at farming (smart use of chain lightning) u should have $3900 to buy sacred relic. the point of NOT maxing chain lightning before aura is becoz u'r not an int hero and maxin lightning will increase its mana cost. remember: u want to chain AS MUCH AS possible, NOT chain AS HARD AS possible in early game as your mana is limited. after getting radiance, go for a boots of speed to upgrade to boots of travel and PERSEVERENCE. remember: get the boots, void stone, ring of health, then only boots of travel. u want the boots of travel so u can teleport at points wen the enemy with their HORDES of creeps at comin for your towers. stand beside your tower and see the money fly. plus: the boots will make u move like superman!! WHEE!!

the point of doin this is bcoz so u can get a good flow of money before goin to a deso/buri build or Maskofmadness build or and 2ND radiance build.
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yay!
finally another dude who can get sacred relic at lv 6!!
wheeeee!!1
AND WHO SAYS RADIANCE AT LV 11 IS IMPOSSIBLE HUH?!
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post Apr 27 2005, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(Vampyr3 @ Apr 27 2005, 03:27 AM)
doh.gif  doh.gif  No, u have to walk a bit further up/down depending on whether u r sent/scrouge.......try exploring around
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lolz........!!
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post Apr 27 2005, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(SeeD @ Apr 27 2005, 11:41 AM)

sven without a reaver is no sven ... XD
it'll be very nice to get a reaver for sven. STun + MOM + god str
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Bonefletcher wins sven ? that sven should be a n00b, or sven's teammate fed bonefletcher like tomorrow doesnt exist edi ...
*never feed bonefletchers ..
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lolz...have you been there to watch it onot?
if you dint watch the replays dont quickly judge...
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IMO, sven with reaver sux wei... doesnt fully utilize his God's Str oso.....
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post Apr 27 2005, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(viNcee @ Apr 27 2005, 02:19 PM)
actually if u read this long-ass guide over the dota forums, there's this post full of calculations and screenshots that proves that buying a reaver and a crystallys for sven fully utilizes god's strength better then going straight for a burize or a heart.
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crystalys + reaver = cheap
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post Apr 28 2005, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(SeeD @ Apr 28 2005, 11:05 AM)
hmm okok i think i got the point
but any of you guys ever wondered magnataur casting overpower on sven after sven activated GS ?
damn ... how high the damage would be ? + >200 % damage !!
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imagine you have lv 3 GS, Magnus emped you, your base damage(say 200) would be:
200*180% = 360
and then you GS, new base damage:
360*175% = 630

but so what?!
one emfeeble from Bane can reduce it to 630/2 = 315 lolz!

QUOTE(Yam @ Apr 28 2005, 12:39 PM)
just wanna add sumting 2 that:

wit d implementation of patch 1.18, if swen bolt's bonebone while bonebone activates windwalk, the bolt wont work
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......works oso while bane brainsaps a hero windwalking away too......
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post Apr 28 2005, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(SeeD @ Apr 28 2005, 12:55 PM)
315 damage is still quite powerful you know ?
so mainly bane alone cant really kill sven lah ...
he can only lower sven's damage ... but challenging his damage ... hmmm quite difficult.
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that's why - give him scythe, shoot a few times, grip him, let bones ks .....
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QUOTE(YuuYuu @ Apr 28 2005, 02:27 PM)
ur calculation wrong la
god's strength and empower works by taking your base damage plus any additional str from items/stats. Neither skill adds to the base damage, so they kinda work separately
so if base dmg is 200, it would be 200 + (200*80/100) + (200*175/100)
which is still damn a lot
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haha my mistake....
shud have typed "additional dmg" instead sweat.gif
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post Apr 28 2005, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(YuuYuu @ Apr 28 2005, 08:10 PM)
i just counted using calculator liao
it's 710 O_o
but i think that's a little exaggerated cause 200 base dmg quite high
have any of you guys notice that sven and magnus actually quite simliar, they both have a stun, they both have a buff and they both have cleave O_O
but then got slight differences though
GS is ulti making it more for killing heroes while empower has damn low mana cost making it useful for farming, summore can buff allies
magnus' nuke i say is much better than sven's nuke cause aoe damage summore can damage towers!!!! it's a really good source of income as it makes it so much easier to get tower kills.
another thing is magnus' cleave has larger radius than sven's cleave
from the way i talking also know i wanna say magnus > sven tongue.gif

oo oo i forgot to add, magnus has a bigger ass than sven happy.gif
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erm....
they took off the "tower-killing shockwave" in the later versions, so forget about it tongue.gif
but yea, you can say that magnus is hell alot more flexible than sven, in terms of team strategy...a powerful AOE stun, 80% empower.... it's WOOT

no wonder scourge always wins XD

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post Apr 29 2005, 04:53 AM

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lolz!
IF they are in the same side, imagine the chaos!!
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post Apr 29 2005, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(szeping @ Apr 29 2005, 07:53 AM)
ermm... so do they stack?
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the atk speed DOES stack......
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post Apr 29 2005, 04:56 PM

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nope - IF it doesnt stack it will be stated.
however, im not sure for items such as BATTLEFURY.....never get to see the % increase in cleaving attack, juz the damage only ><l

but yea, 2++ hyperstones do stack. the only speed that doesnt stack is movement speed - it's be too cheating if one hero has 3 threads and was chasing heroes like a dog....
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post Apr 29 2005, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(jasonlcy @ Apr 29 2005, 08:05 PM)
I thought any hyperstones more than 2 would have diminishing effects?

I only know that the most SENSIBLE thing to do is stack a maximum of 2 hyperstones. sweat.gif
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i dunno....
but the later versions (6.xx) seem to be working....
or maybe it's juz my imagination
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later try on cheats to confirm XD
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post Apr 29 2005, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(YuuYuu @ Apr 29 2005, 11:10 PM)
it's not the 2 hyperstones that cause a diminishing effect.
it's the great increase in atk spd
once your atk speed reach 100% + liao, any atk speed increase won't be as evident as your earlier ones
and all atk speeds stack, while some walk/run speed stack, like boots, yasha and frenzy skill stack
yasha rox happy.gif
sange & yasha rox even more biggrin.gif
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harr??
walking speed stacks?!
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post Apr 30 2005, 04:55 AM

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QUOTE(Vampyr3 @ Apr 30 2005, 03:04 AM)
Eh? Since u said if u push, u sure win...then y didn't u push and instead stay at fountain?
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a funny yet intriguing question indeed tongue.gif
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post Apr 30 2005, 06:04 PM

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dropped by to say some words:
6.06 LUCIFER IS IMBA!!!
LV 9 and I GOT 3.3 k, with a TOWER DOWN!!!!

lolz!!!
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post May 1 2005, 12:00 PM

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eh wait, that's supposed to be my post lol....
forgotten to log off my bro's account tongue.gif
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post May 1 2005, 01:57 PM

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i SERIOUSLY hate the smokescreen spell....
not that it makes enemies miss alot im cool about that, but the fact that i cant bloody HIT any shit as well !!

too many times it happened where sa smokescreened and i wanted to stun/disable....and i cant ....zzzzzz

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