dont hurt them everytime la...
just appreciate it...

What if the guy not hurting the gal but do not express the appreciation?
For e.g a gal do something for the guy and the guy just only ; no words
at all?

well yeelin...i think maybe u do have some issues or bad experience with guys...
yah im totally agreed with the ego thing...
but we as a woman...we are the one who suppose to make their ego softer...
most all of my bf..i mean my boyfriend and my exs...they have a very super high ego...
but u have to do something that can make their ego gone....
if ure good in that...seriously...ur bf will appreciated u very much..
guys will appreciated girls who can change them to be something good..
and after that you will see what will they do for u if they really care love and appreciated you.

Yerp not all guys are like that..and some girls sucks too
So instead of saying guys are too ego and dont "appreciate gals that love you & do things for you..."
we are all the same...
If u dont want that to be happen...Try to choose the right guy..

this is alr consider HURTING ppl...
u think maid mer?

Hurm maybe i'm one of the person who do not know how to appreciate galz..

so still stand strong with my point...

set limit if wanna be frens with guy n gals especially good frens

Can a guy and a gal be good frens without meeting the eyes? Through chatting only maybe?

Shud be no problem. But if u love to talk dirty...Its quite hardla...
And some more if u have a relationship problem with ur gf...
Please dont ask ur good 'galfriends' to help u...
Cuz I hate guy who does dat.. same goes to the girls.
There will be abit of misunderstanding or problem later if u do that.
Ure creating more problem.

This post has been edited by nadeary: Sep 8 2008, 02:19 PM

I'll never do that, doing that to solve a problem or to create another problem?

Neway, when it comes to a relationship, gf will be envious of the good girlfriends ; how to solve? Leave one for another?

Yah.. If u think ur gf is not into u or sucks...not good enough for u..
leave her instead of leaving ur good girlfriends...

but if u love ur girlfriend very much and she love u same as u do...
Hmmm instead of using the words 'leave one for another'...
u just need to limit ur relationship ur ggf...meet ur good girlfriend like once a month
or dont meet them for like half years...but still contacting with each other
still a good fren..u have ur own life, she have her own life...both of u respect each other love life..
plus once u have a girlfriend...they're your mother[kaki bebel] your fren[ur laughter sadness pain wtver]
ur gf will complete u...

and also there is a problem if ur ggf is annoying gedik blablabla...
so please leave ur good girl friend..totally ignore her...
if she still calling u...Answer her call with ur cold voice
please do that or else she will never understand u or being b****y buat-buat tak paham
TEACH HER!! hahaaha

Guy and girl can become good friend but sure will have some distance..cant be too close.

yeah..true true

I also believe guys and girls can be good friends, if not, really susah to pair up. I as a guy strongly object the idea that guys just want something. I personally wanted to make friends with many girls before, but I never intend to get anything from them!

girls n guys can be good friends IF WE DUN THINK OF EACH OTHER AS THE OPPOSITE SEX.
then both wouldnt be/look/sound appealing to each other =)

i agree

I stopped reading after the 5th page and jumped straight to the last page so please excuse me if what I'm about to say has been said.

I believe that a guy can only be friends with a girl if either one of the 3 criteria are met:

1) He is not sexually attracted to her
2) He is gay (kinda negates the 1st point, doesn't it?)
3) He's already attached

If a guy is friends with a girl but secretly harbors a desire to escalate the friendship to the next level, then he isn't really her friend to begin with. He wants something from her, but she won't be able to give it. So it becomes a one-sided relationship with the guy refusing to end it because he still believes a miracle will happen when the girl will suddenly realize what a nice guy he is and be his girlfriend or something while the girl enjoys his "platonic" company.

That was how I felt when I was "friends" with this girl for 2 years but secretly wanted more. I finally asked her out and we went on a couple of dates because she thought it was worth a try. But things didn't work out because we were so used to the idea that we are friends that we didn't really know how to act around each other when the situation moves up a notch.

In the end, we decided to end it mutually and like most guys, I went into a period of depression. That's when I discovered to the ladder theory and thew myself into it to help me cope with the grief. Kinda like how some people turn to religion to cope with their loss. From there, I learned the bitter truth that men and women cannot be just "friends" and it helped me get over my depression.

That girl and I are no longer friends, and I honestly think it is for the best. I have also slowly stopped contacting some of my other girl friends because I realized that I felt the same way about them, that I am just friends with them because I hope something more will come out of it. You can call me shallow or whatever, but I'm just being true to myself and not wasting anyone's time. I want a relationship, while all they can offer is friendship.

It's like a business partnership. Would you continue doing business with another company when you are not getting what you want?

Guys, ask yourself this: If your friend were to strip naked in front of you promising a night of hot passionate sex with no strings attached, would you accept?

Girls, ask yourself this: If you were to strip naked in front of your friend promising a night of hot passionate sex with no strings attached, would he accept?

The answer may help you re-evaluate your "friendship".

For additional reading, check out these links:
1) http://www.laddertheory.com/
2) http://www.fanfic.net/~jeffwong/rant47-friend-zone.html
3) http://www.fanfic.net/~jeffwong/rant48-esc...riend-zone.html
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i agree..specially the last paragraph!!

very very agree wat u had said bro.......respect u la.....

This post has been edited by BuBuCai: Sep 18 2008, 02:06 PM

Conclusion is guy n grl can’t be good fren… Unless some benefit between both of them…

Totally agree.. i do hv 1 close guy fren.. who is very good to me.. not using me or anything.. but is really a nice fren and help me whenever i need help
but i am sure that he don't like me.. he already got gf and more good to his gf of cuz