thats the thing Joey, you have been harping about the negatives while not having an iPhone yourself, all you have are first hand account of disgruntled users whom have chosen to air their displeasure on the internet, a skewed medium that doenst not represent the majority. Those who have relatively little or no problems would not fill the internet with their positive accounts, and i can safely say these people are the majority users out there. Tell you what the next time we have a TT(Teh tarik) session or gathering, do not be shy and join us to experience the iPhone 4 yourself and judge it for its entirety or you could always PM bro String,Beavis, or Yuvanesh or our mod Tink for a meetup and test their sets to the hilt. Like you said a bad apple is a bad apple, even a bad bmw is a bad bmw too, as a consumer know your rights, send it in for a warranty request a DOA, or worse come to worse a refund for all its worth, there are just too many phones out there which may be better than the iPhone 4 lets not make the iPhone seem to be the last phone on the planet.