sos http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceraian_dalam_Islam#Rujuk

u dont need court to rujuk again

owh im sorry..... i look at diff perceptive here.... i was about to respond on ur say bout need court... yes ur right about the husband and wife must seperate, but they dont need court to rujuk

This post has been edited by PVCpipe: Jun 17 2010, 04:35 PM

You don't answer the question.

Yes I know, the court thing is just requirement of malaysian syariah law.

Technically in Islam there's not even suppose to be marriage registration (surat daftar nikah), but malaysian syariah law introduce it to prevent things like you getting tangkap khalwat with your wife without proof of marriage.

Going back to the question, that wikipedia page doesn't mention that you can have sex with your ex-wife during iddah period.

I found better explanation in Ustaz Zaharudin's page, I copy pasta the thing for you:

BOLEHKAH RUJU' TANPA MELAFAZ?


Ulama mazhab berbeza fatwa dalam hal ini seperti berikut :-
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Syafie : Mazhab Syafie menolak ruju' melalui perlakuan tanpa lafaz secara total, sama ada persetubuhan, mahupun permulaannya sebagaimana pandangan Hanafi tadi. Mazhab Syafie berfatwa sebarang persetubuhan pada waktu ‘iddah tanpa lafaz ruju' yang jelas terlebih dahulu adalah haram.

Imam As-Syafie berkata :-

والرد يكون بالكلام دون الفعل من جماع وغيره ; لأنه رد بلا كلام، فلا تثبت رجعة لرجل على امرأته حتى يتكلم بالرجعة، كما لا يكون نكاح ولا طلاق حتى يتكلم بهما، فإذا تكلم بها في العدة ثبتت له الرجعة
Ertinya : Ruju mestilah dengan percakapan ( lafaz) dan bukannya dengan jima' dan lainnya, kerana tiada ruju' tanpa lafaz, maka tidak sah ruju' bagi seorang lelaki kepada wanita sehinggalah dia melafazkannya, sebagaimana tiada nikah dan talaq yang dibuat tanpa lafaz, maka jika si lelaki melafazkannya (ruju') semasa iddah barulah sah ruju'nya" (Al-Umm)
.......
Kesimpulan : Apapun pendapat pelbagai mazhab, sebagaimana yang telah saya dedahkan di atas, Malaysia mengambil mazhab Syafie yang mensyaratkan suami MESTI melafazkan ruju' terlebih dahulu secara rasmi. Ia wajar dituruti.

Must one comply with Mazhab Syafie? How about other Mazhab? What does the Quran say about this ar?

All this man made laws, if two people senyap senyap rujuk balik then talak problem kan?

you all talak confuse ya, jangan la gaduh gaduh, talak baik punya.. ok?

as far as i know, sex between them in iddah is consider rujuk, coz u wont do sex if u still hate each other....

actually... u cant say this mazhab is wrong, or that mazhab is wrong... there are no mazhab in quran... it just that they use diff approach... like in shafie... it wont go too strict, and too lose when want to decide abut the hukum... cant tell far bout this as im not quite sure how to tell.... what i know my friend say, dont say that ur mazhab is right and others wrong... he says "jangan terlalu taksub dengan satu2 mazhab"

Coz i read there about Syafie Fatwa, which is man made.

So i think this is still best go back to Quran lo...

dunno if it has such references.. haha. need Syariah lawyer to tell, but its only applicable in Malaysia. Elsewhere different law i think

ya.. fatwa is declared by the ulama, these ppl suppose to study many aspect of islamic law and quran, and hadith.... fatwa is there bcause theres no law or certain thing mention by the prophet or in the quran

You can choose whatever mazhab you like, but in Malaysia, they make it LAW that you must follow Mazhab Syafie.

The problem with two people senyap-senyap cerai and then ruju' balik is the keep-track problem.

How do you keep track? There's a limit of 3 times, if you keep track by yourselves, you will surely cheat on the tracking.

Last sentence is the best, I agree, jangan la gaduh gaduh, talak baik punya.. ok?

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Added on June 17, 2010, 5:49 pmLast time I checked, there's no Mazhab PVCPipe, so your opinions doesn't count....

If you want to follow Mazhab Maliki/Hanafi/Hanbali, then it's your choice. But then you have to follow it TO THE LETTER.

Also don't come crying in /kopitiam when JAKIM come and arrest you for not following mazhab Syafie.

Besides, ustaz Zaharudin, probably Malaysia's most famous Internet Ustaz, already wrote this:

Kesimpulan : Apapun pendapat pelbagai mazhab, sebagaimana yang telah saya dedahkan di atas, Malaysia mengambil mazhab Syafie yang mensyaratkan suami MESTI melafazkan ruju' terlebih dahulu secara rasmi. Ia wajar dituruti.

http://www.zaharuddin.net/content/view/710/95/



This post has been edited by Faidzal: Jun 17 2010, 05:56 PM

rotten siham liao lo

when did i say my mazhab? i just gave my opinion and i did told anyone can correct me if im wrong...

like u said, the actual islamic law is not our syariah court.... u said earlier that hav to tell the court then after that u can rujuk back.... i was initially said theres no need for that...

yes the problem is our society, their lack of understanding on religious law makes the gov impose this syariah court law

Of course there's no Mazhab PVCPipe, it's a figure of speech, kalau terasa maknanya terkena....

I corrected you already many time with proof, so why you keep repeating it?

So just because you understand the actual Islamic law, means you can ignore the syariah law?

meaning let's say you are married, one day you talak your wife, outside of court and without any saksi, later after both of you cool down, you have sex with her, so everything back to normal?

What happens when you did this 3 times? Are you still going to say you are still married?

later on you will still need to go to pejabat agama, explain everything, then pejabat agama will slap you with a fine and maybe even declare any children born after the 1st time you mention talak as anak tak sah taraf, how?

byk cakap la korang. ilmu secetek kolam tepi jalan pasal agama nak bincang lebih2 pulak. jgn nak borak2. kang berdosa manusia2 lain salah fhm baca post2 korang.

y u go to this? i know if i did that 3 times. i know u have to folow the shariah court, i just want tell that u can rujuk 1st and then tell the court later... u dont need court permission 1st bfore rujuk....

the sex thing i dont invent myself... i heard in ceramah also

i always have this kind of talk with my other friend also... he also learn syariah law....

dats y i dont want to dig in more... just to give general info to other non-muslim

bagus2. xyah bincang sini dah. ramai manusia2 dlm /k/ tengok yg suka flame xtentu pasal nanti pasal islam.

Don't be like that bro, I was talking about having sex while in iddah period, not about the ruju' to the mahkamah thing.

Of course you can ruju' without going to mahkamah, same as saying talak without going to mahkamah, but then you get into trouble with syariah law, which is the point here.

At least if you say you heard some ceramah where speaker mention that sex during iddah is halal and means that you have ruju', mention the speaker's name lah bro, adds credibility.

I at least linked to Ustaz Zaharudin who even provides the actual Syafie fatwa, so no one can accuse me of making up fatwas and whatnot....

OK bro, I think we cool it down, but hopefully /k can learn something other than hack3line's Freemason conspiracy.....

C'mon bro, we all know Islam is not the problem, it's the Muslims (people who embrace Islam as religion) who are the problem.

But it's also duty as Muslims to correct misinformation, especially if the misinformation comes from Muslims themselves....

Tak begitu bro?

no prob bro..

tahu. tapi nie kopitiam. useless as sh*t bincang sini. xpasal2 kena flame agama kita nanti. macam yg selalu berlaku. bincang chatting a. hah

Hmm..... if dont want follow this can ar? Its like forcing it down your throat la...

I think like how some couple say split up when arguing with each other.

If say talak without keeping track yet still together, I think it should not be any issue. More so when they have kids. Its better for them to be together in one family than to stick to the rules, die die also must follow, end up family dysfunctional.

I mean, if its ok for the husband go court another girl behind the wife's back just to get another 2nd wife (which is emotionally cheating), saying and taking back "talak" without court knowledge should be ok la. Its still between them and God, and if they insaf, should be ok right?