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post Jun 17 2010, 03:41 AM

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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Jun 17 2010, 02:25 AM)
In civil marriages, there's 1 year window of seperation and after that its officially divorced.

After that if the decide to get back together, repeat the whole process again in the registrar of marriage

If the husband talak the wife 1 time, will he be paying her $$$ as compensation?
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talak 1 and 2, is cerai.... but theres a certain period for u to get back(rujuk).... if u not get back in this period, u need to make a new akad(the marry ritual with the tok imam, )....

but talak 3, no rujuk... and u cant remarry with a new akad also..... if still want marry, ur wife(ex) have to marry other people and divorce, then only u can marry...

basically u hav 3 chance la to divorce ur wife... but if u say" i cerai u dengan talak 3" then habis la ur other talak 1 and 2.... u go straight to talak 3, hav to face the consequences la


corrct me if im wrong guise

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post Jun 17 2010, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(mucxha @ Jun 17 2010, 08:01 AM)
if kena talak satu/dua then the husband must support the wife until certain period, not remember but i think 3 times period kot...
and the wife can still stay at the husband's house during that time and they even can have secks, legally... but after the period still no rujuk then baru officially divorce.. if talak 3 then ultimate la cannot remarry until the wife got divorce by other husband a.k.a <insert race> buta...

but now ppl divorce then suruh hantar balik kampung...
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hav sex in the rujuk period means rujuk la(want to get together again)
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Jun 17 2010, 11:05 AM)
That is why in Malaysia, you can only officially and legally say "Saya ceraikan kamu dengan talak xxx..." in the divorce court proceeding.

If you do it outside of the court, you can be fined or jailed.

This is called syariah law, the same law that states Bung Mokhtar must be jailed because he married Zizie without court and supposedly his 1st wife's permission.

Also, once you mention talak to her, YOU CANNOT HAVE SEX WITH HER. That /ktard was trolling you....

Technically once your talak has been confirmed by the court, you must live separately in different houses. Originally the wife must stay in the house you live together while you the male must live somewhere, but nowadays most divorcee's rather live somewhere else, like their own personal house or their parents (balik kampung).

Muslimat (female muslims) can ask for divorce, but the power to divorce still resides with the husband.

Supposedly this is to prevent women from getting divorced by the simplest of things, since women are more emotional.

If woman wants a divorce from husband, I think it's termed as fasakh, the woman must compensate the husband (pay him off).

Say the woman mention something like "I want a divorce, I'll pay you RM1 million", if the husband agrees, they can go to court to finalize the divorce, then she can pay him off.
Inb4 syariah lawyer comes and schools /ktards on Islamic law....
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bro.... talak 1 & 2, if u had sex on the period of the given time(rujuk period), its means u want to get together(rujuk).... dont have to go to court, but that just want to make sure that u remember how many times u already divorce ur wife... b cause some ppl who lack of info bout islamic law wont know if they hav divorce his wife in anger using the other term like "i let u go", or "go back to your parent house" or zihar his wife with someone he cant marry

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post Jun 17 2010, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Jun 17 2010, 11:47 AM)
Oh ok... thanks.

If the man divorce the woman, he pays her $$$, and if the woman divorce the man, she pays him $$$ as compensation.

similar to civil divorce cases lol.

But if the woman has evidence of the man philandering, abusive, non committal to husband duties etc, then i think she dont need to compensate him right?
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ya i think... thats derhaka wife u dont need to compensate... but i m not sure the man one

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Jun 17 2010, 03:42 PM)
Bro, I don't know which understanding is rite now....  blink.gif

According to my understanding, if you say "Saya ceraikan kamu", in or outside of court, the cerai talak is official already. She is not your wife any more.

You must live separately. SEPARATELY!

Going to court is just a formality, except that if you got to court after saying cerai, you will be fined as per Malaysian Syariah law.

If you cerai your wife, and later have sexing with her, won't the resulting child be an anak haram because you are no longer husband and wife?

The reason why there's three times is like baseball. 3 strikes, and you're out! Get another man/woman....
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talak 1 and 2 have rujuk period.... sex, or say sorry sand say want to b to gether, any sign that means u want ur wife back, in the period means u want to rujuk back.... if after the period u still dont rujuk, u have to remarried under a new akad to get together....

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Jun 17 2010, 03:50 PM)
Are you sure? What if you force yourself unto your ex-wife? Isn't this rape?

Once talak she is not your wife anymore, remember? 3 month separation is just grace period in case you change your mind during the separation....

Rujuk still have to go back to pejabat agama rite?
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what rape? when u talak 1 and 2, unless the rujuk period is over, u still husband and wife.... husband and wife got rape?

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Jun 17 2010, 04:12 PM)
Wah, this is ajaran sesat!

When you talak, you are no longer husband and wife la!

Doesn't matter if talak 1 or talak 2, you must live separately!

I found a source that backs me up on this:

iv. Kewajipan tempat tinggal dan nafkah
Nafkah dan tempat tinggal adalah hak perempuan yang wajib diberikan oleh suami.

Mengenai tempat tinggal, iaitu tempat tinggal di mana di mana terjadinya perceraian, samada dengan talak atau kematian.

Suami tidak dibenarkan tinggal serumah dengan bekas isterinya itu atau memasukki tempat di mana bekas isterinya itu berada tanpa membawa bersama mahram. Larangan ini adalah untuk mengelakkan terjadinya khalwat yang sememangnya diharamkan terhadap pasangan ini. Manakala bekas isteri pula wajib menahan atau melarang suami dari melakukan perkara tersebut jika berkemampuan.


On further reaading, what you mention is applicable to Mazhab Hanafi and Maliki but NOT Mazhab Syafie. Since you are from Kuala Terengganu, and Terengganu is in Malaysia, you must be a Muslim who follows Mazhab Syafie.

Ustaz Zaharudin has mentioned that Mazhab Syafie does not allow ruju' via sexing your ex-wife during iddah period.
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Rujuk

Menurut bahasa rujuk boleh didefinisikan sebagai kembali. Manakala menurut syarak, ia membawa maksud suami kembali semula kepada isterinya yang diceraikan dengan ikatan pernikahan asal (dalam masa idah) dengan lafaz rujuk.

Hukum rujuk

Hukum  Penjelasan
Wajib  Bagi suami yang menceraikan isterinya yang belum menyempurnakan gilirannya dari isteri-isterinya yang lain
Haram  Suami merujuk isterinya dengan tujuan untuk menyakiti atau memudaratkan isterinya itu
Makruh  Apabila penceraian lebih baik antara suami dan isteri
Harus  Sekirannya rujuk boleh membawa kebaikan bersama


Rukun rujuk
Perkara  Syarat
Suami  Berakal
Baligh
Dengan kerelaan sendiri
Isteri  Telah disetubuhi
Berkeadaan talak raj’i
Bukan dengan talak tiga
Bukan cerai secara khuluk
Masih dalam idah

Lafaz  Ucapan yang jelas menyatakan rujuk
Tiada disyaratkan dengan khiar atau pilihan
Disegerakan tanpa dikaitkan dengan taklik atau bersyarat
Dengan sengaja dan bukan paksaan

[sunting] Contoh lafaz rujuk
[sunting] Lafaz sarih

Lafaz terang dan jelas menunjukkan rujuk. Contoh : “Saya rujuk kembali awak” atau “Saya kembali semula awak sebagai isteri saya.”
[sunting] Lafaz kinayah

Lafaz kiasan atau sindiran. Contoh : “Saya jadikan awak milik saya semula” atau “Saya pegang awak semula”. Lafaz kinayah perlu dengan niat suami untuk merujuk kerana jika dengan niat rujuk, maka jadilah rujuk. Namun jika tiada niat rujuk, maka tidak sahlah rujuknya
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sos http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceraian_dalam_Islam#Rujuk

u dont need court to rujuk again

owh im sorry..... i look at diff perceptive here.... i was about to respond on ur say bout need court... yes ur right about the husband and wife must seperate, but they dont need court to rujuk

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Jun 17 2010, 04:35 PM)
You don't answer the question.

Yes I know, the court thing is just requirement of malaysian syariah law.

Technically in Islam there's not even suppose to be marriage registration (surat daftar nikah), but malaysian syariah law introduce it to prevent things like you getting tangkap khalwat with your wife without proof of marriage.

Going back to the question, that wikipedia page doesn't mention that you can have sex with your ex-wife during iddah period.

I found better explanation in Ustaz Zaharudin's page, I copy pasta the thing for you:

BOLEHKAH RUJU' TANPA MELAFAZ?
Ulama mazhab berbeza fatwa dalam hal ini seperti berikut :-
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Syafie :  Mazhab Syafie menolak ruju' melalui perlakuan tanpa lafaz secara total, sama ada persetubuhan, mahupun permulaannya sebagaimana pandangan Hanafi tadi. Mazhab Syafie berfatwa sebarang persetubuhan pada waktu ‘iddah tanpa lafaz ruju' yang jelas terlebih dahulu adalah haram.

Imam As-Syafie berkata :-

والرد يكون بالكلام دون الفعل من جماع وغيره ; لأنه رد بلا كلام، فلا تثبت رجعة لرجل على امرأته حتى يتكلم بالرجعة، كما لا يكون نكاح ولا طلاق حتى يتكلم بهما، فإذا تكلم بها في العدة ثبتت له الرجعة 
Ertinya : Ruju mestilah dengan percakapan ( lafaz) dan bukannya dengan jima' dan lainnya, kerana tiada ruju' tanpa lafaz, maka tidak sah ruju' bagi seorang lelaki kepada wanita sehinggalah dia melafazkannya, sebagaimana tiada nikah dan talaq yang dibuat tanpa lafaz, maka jika si lelaki melafazkannya (ruju') semasa iddah barulah sah ruju'nya" (Al-Umm)
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Kesimpulan : Apapun pendapat pelbagai mazhab, sebagaimana yang telah saya dedahkan di atas, Malaysia mengambil mazhab Syafie yang mensyaratkan suami MESTI melafazkan ruju' terlebih dahulu secara rasmi. Ia wajar dituruti.
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as far as i know, sex between them in iddah is consider rujuk, coz u wont do sex if u still hate each other....
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Jun 17 2010, 05:00 PM)
Must one comply with Mazhab Syafie? How about other Mazhab? What does the Quran say about this ar?

All this man made laws, if two people senyap senyap rujuk balik then talak problem kan?

you all talak confuse ya, jangan la gaduh gaduh, talak baik punya.. ok?
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actually... u cant say this mazhab is wrong, or that mazhab is wrong... there are no mazhab in quran... it just that they use diff approach... like in shafie... it wont go too strict, and too lose when want to decide abut the hukum... cant tell far bout this as im not quite sure how to tell.... what i know my friend say, dont say that ur mazhab is right and others wrong... he says "jangan terlalu taksub dengan satu2 mazhab"
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Jun 17 2010, 05:13 PM)
Coz i read there about Syafie Fatwa, which is man made.

So i think this is still best go back to Quran lo...

dunno if it has such references.. haha. need Syariah lawyer to tell, but its only applicable in Malaysia. Elsewhere different law i think
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ya.. fatwa is declared by the ulama, these ppl suppose to study many aspect of islamic law and quran, and hadith.... fatwa is there bcause theres no law or certain thing mention by the prophet or in the quran
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Jun 17 2010, 05:45 PM)
You can choose whatever mazhab you like, but in Malaysia, they make it LAW that you must follow Mazhab Syafie.

The problem with two people senyap-senyap cerai and then ruju' balik is the keep-track problem.

How do you keep track? There's a limit of 3 times, if you keep track by yourselves, you will surely cheat on the tracking.

Last sentence is the best, I agree, jangan la gaduh gaduh, talak baik punya.. ok?


Added on June 17, 2010, 5:49 pm

Last time I checked, there's no Mazhab PVCPipe, so your opinions doesn't count....

If you want to follow Mazhab Maliki/Hanafi/Hanbali, then it's your choice. But then you have to follow it TO THE LETTER.

Also don't come crying in /kopitiam when JAKIM come and arrest you for not following mazhab Syafie.
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when did i say my mazhab? i just gave my opinion and i did told anyone can correct me if im wrong...

like u said, the actual islamic law is not our syariah court.... u said earlier that hav to tell the court then after that u can rujuk back.... i was initially said theres no need for that...

yes the problem is our society, their lack of understanding on religious law makes the gov impose this syariah court law
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Jun 17 2010, 06:04 PM)
Of course there's no Mazhab PVCPipe, it's a figure of speech, kalau terasa maknanya terkena....

I corrected you already many time with proof, so why you keep repeating it?

So just because you understand the actual Islamic law, means you can ignore the syariah law?

meaning let's say you are married, one day you talak your wife, outside of court and without any saksi, later after both of you cool down, you have sex with her, so everything back to normal?

What happens when you did this 3 times? Are you still going to say you are still married?

later on you will still need to go to pejabat agama, explain everything, then pejabat agama will slap you with a fine and maybe even declare any children born after the 1st time you mention talak as anak tak sah taraf, how?
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y u go to this? i know if i did that 3 times. i know u have to folow the shariah court, i just want tell that u can rujuk 1st and then tell the court later... u dont need court permission 1st bfore rujuk....

the sex thing i dont invent myself... i heard in ceramah also

i always have this kind of talk with my other friend also... he also learn syariah law....

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QUOTE(abang @ Jun 17 2010, 06:10 PM)
byk cakap la korang. ilmu secetek kolam tepi jalan pasal agama nak bincang lebih2 pulak. jgn nak borak2. kang berdosa manusia2 lain salah fhm baca post2 korang.
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dats y i dont want to dig in more... just to give general info to other non-muslim
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Jun 17 2010, 06:21 PM)
Don't be like that bro, I was talking about having sex while in iddah period, not about the ruju' to the mahkamah thing.

Of course you can ruju' without going to mahkamah, same as saying talak without going to mahkamah, but then you get into trouble with syariah law, which is the point here.

At least if you say you heard some ceramah where speaker mention that sex during iddah is halal and means that you have ruju', mention the speaker's name lah bro, adds credibility.

I at least linked to Ustaz Zaharudin who even provides the actual Syafie fatwa, so no one can accuse me of making up fatwas and whatnot....

OK bro, I think we cool it down, but hopefully /k can learn something other than hack3line's Freemason conspiracy.....
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no prob bro..

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