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post Aug 28 2023, 10:59 AM

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OCBC system is down across the island...

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/o...w-cards-3728906
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post Aug 29 2023, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Aug 29 2023, 06:00 PM)
i read past posts of this topic and it got me wondering

any reason why you guys prefer fullerton  SGD  over fullerton USD?

isnt usd better? i last check the interest is 5.2643% (7d Annualized)
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This thread's title is "Opening a Bank Account in Singapore".

There is nothing wrong with going after the USD version of the fund. It depends on your investment needs and view on USD.SGD rates, among other factors.
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post Aug 29 2023, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(Mr Gray @ Jul 25 2023, 11:47 AM)
Happy to share that I have successfully opened my OCBC Singapore account with just my IC and Passport.

The process of applying through the app is a bit a pain in the ass, as needs to do several times for the app to accept my IC. Tips, the ic can be slightly outside the rectangle.

Took about 3 working days for the account to be approved. Was given Global Savings Account and Statement Savings Account.

Initial deposit required is just SGD1000, it can be from your Singaporean bank account or Malaysian bank account. I already have Maybank SG account. So this is very seamless.

Despite the T&C showing initial deposit for non-resident Statement Savings Account is SGD20k. I just needed to deposit SGD1k. Not sure if this only applies for Malaysians or what.

Regardless, even if the fall below fee for non-resident Statement Savings Account which is 20k is imposed as per T&C (no fee for first year), don't worry, we can go around this.  cool2.gif

Once you have access to the OCBC SG online banking, you can immediately apply for other accounts like OCBC 360 (minimum balance 3k) or OCBC Frank (minimum balance 1k), Monthly Savings account (minimum balance 500) or other OCBC SG accounts. I prefer OCBC 360. I will close Statement Savings Account after this.

So for all Malaysians residing in Malaysia, with no SG pass whatsoever. Right now we have 3 easy options for SG bank accounts (Maybank, CIMB and OCBC), everything done online, super easy.

For those who are interested to apply OCBC SG account, can use my referral code NLC9FDOS . You will get SGD15, and I will get SGD15.

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You should mention that the phone needs NFC capabilities as well...
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post Aug 29 2023, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(lilsunflower @ Aug 29 2023, 09:43 PM)
Just sharing my recent experience trying to open a CIMB SG account.

I already have a CIMB MY account and applied for CIMB SG on 13 August. The form filling was easy and the account was created on the same day. I transferred SGD1k from my DBS SG via Ifast and also applied to link my CIMB MY account and CIMB SG account.

Accounts were linked on 16 August and I transferred SGD5 from CIMB MY to CIMB SG.

Note that my account had been created but not approved.

On 16 August I received an email from CIMB SG asking for my bank statement showing proof of salary crediting. I provided this and also reiterated that I am an existing CIMB MY and DBS SG account holder and had made transfers in via both accounts.The email also asked my intended purpose for opening the account. I responded saying I wanted to open the account for investment, depositing SGD and spending for personal use during visits to Singaporean.

8 days passed without any response.

On 24 August I sent a follow up.

On 29 August I received an email asking for proof of investment in SG. I responded saying that I already told them that my intention is for investment (such as FD deposit in SGD) and how can I prove my future intention when the account is not even opened?

Very frustrated at how long and nonsensical this process has been. I'm really regretting opening this account and now have SGD1005 stuck there, and a very slow and inefficient account opening team. I just hope they will give me my money back if they disallow my account opening.
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Next time don't tell people you want to use an account for "investment". CIMB is notoriously sensitive to the word "investment"; my CIMB MY (Basic Saving) account application was rejected at one of the branches in Butterworth, Penang because I told the officers I plan to use it to fund my SG investments. Straightaway officers' face turn pale.

I drove to another branch later and never utter the word "investment" anymore.

Despite all the fuss, CIMB SG (together with Citibank) are named in the 1-bllion SGD money laundering case in Singapore. https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-...laundering-raid

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post Aug 30 2023, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Aug 29 2023, 11:47 PM)
how about "savings"?
can this word be used?

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"Savings" is fine. You can try to fool the bank by "pleasing them".

E.g., tell them you like their service, good FX rates and FD rates, "I heard my friend told me customer service is great", etc. (Even though we know none of them are true...)

Basically "Sweet talk" stuffs. You need to deploy some psychology tactics these days when requesting to open a bank account. The strict AML rules make life increasingly difficult for new customers. (Yet the ultra-rich has no such issues... because banks earn a lot from them with wealth management products...)

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post Aug 30 2023, 11:13 AM

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Just submitted an application to open OCBC Frank account at the NTU branch.

The debit card will be available 10 working days later and sent to your SG address. Only SG mobile number can be used during the registration. No need for passport, just need to show them Malaysia IC.

Will open a monthly savings account thereafter and close the Frank account 6 months later.

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post Aug 31 2023, 05:36 PM

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For those with MoneyOwl accounts:

https://www.moneyowl.com.sg/medias/moneyowl...ss-by-end-2023/

https://links.sgx.com/FileOpen/iFAST%20Corp...t&FileID=771257

I just transferred my money out of FSM SG into MoneyOwl, and now it's returning to iFAST...

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post Sep 1 2023, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(Sunshape @ Aug 31 2023, 11:34 PM)
Wow, this SongBaolin used CIMB to cuci the money. Did MAS take action on CIMB SG?
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DBS and Bank of Singapore (private bank branch of OCBC) are also implicated in the case. https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-...singapore-firms

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The Monetary Authority of Singapore, when asked by Bloomberg News for comment, referred to its earlier statement where it said the regulator is undertaking supervisory engagements with financial firms where potentially tainted funds have been identified, and will take “firm action” against those found to have breached anti-money laundering and related rules. A spokesperson for the Singapore police did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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post Sep 1 2023, 10:02 AM

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Oh, in another news. CIMB SG "floating deposit" promo has been extended.

https://www.cimb.com.sg/en/personal/promoti...%20Customers%20

For existing customer, if you bring in more money starting from today onwards, the incremental balance will enjoy 3.50% p.a. for the next 6 months till 28th Feb 2024.

Looks like CIMB SG is hungry for deposits, make you wonder whether they can find enough loans out there to earn your 3.50%...
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post Sep 1 2023, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(Sunshape @ Sep 1 2023, 05:22 PM)
oh no, they themselves are the launderers.  Will MAS close their acc?
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The accounts will surely be frozen for investigation for now.

As for closure, my computer engineering prof (who stays in JB, likely a Malaysian) says that most likely the assets will be confiscated and thus belong to SG government as they may not be able to trace the source. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Sunshape @ Sep 1 2023, 05:55 PM)
i mean the banks, not the Su baoling
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Unlikely lah. Close down DBS and OCBC, Singapore will be gone...

You know they joke about Hong Kong: one function of an international financial center is to launder money. laugh.gif

https://www.am730.com.hk/column/%E8%B2%A1%E...E4%BD%8D/265761

(with paywall) https://finance.mingpao.com/fin/daily/20220...%83%BD%E3%80%8D

So as Singapore. One extended family member of mine who works at a Temasek-affiliated consultancy firm in SG confirms that money-laundering is a highly profitable business in Singapore. After all SG is a conduit tax haven/OFC, it's hard to eradicate such activities completely.
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QUOTE(TOS @ Aug 31 2023, 05:36 PM)
For those with MoneyOwl accounts:

https://www.moneyowl.com.sg/medias/moneyowl...ss-by-end-2023/

https://links.sgx.com/FileOpen/iFAST%20Corp...t&FileID=771257

I just transferred my money out of FSM SG into MoneyOwl, and now it's returning to iFAST...
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MoneyOwl will host a Zoom meeting (joinly, together with iFAST) at 7pm tomorrow. Those with MoneyOwl account can check your email for registration details. The registration link is: https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN...A#/registration

Some other useful resources:

Why iFAST? Hear from MoneyOwl’s CEO

MoneyOwl to Wind Down Financial Advisory Business (Includes key timeline and dates to note)

Interesting paragraph from the microsite link above:

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Does the compensation model of the company matter? We had thought about this quite a lot, not just for the wind-down, but for the industry and market in general. MoneyOwl believes that commissions do create a conflict of interest. But we have never taken the stance that all commissioned advisers are bad advisers or that all salaried advisers are good advisers. In practice, there are many commissioned advisers who do a good job and truly care for their clients. Being fee-based or fee-only also does not mean that there won’t be other types of conflicts of interests. For example, if the adviser just wants to grow volume of AUM to maximise wrap fees at all costs, this could put the client at risk if growth becomes unsustainable or if clients are pushed to invest even when they should not. From what we see in other countries who have banned commissions, advisers also tended not to be as interested in those who don’t have that much to invest.  laugh.gif


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post Sep 4 2023, 08:27 PM

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The talk hosted by iFAST and MoneyOwl just ended. There is no legal commitment from iFAST that the fees will remain the same in the future.

Pretty sure they will raise the charges/start charging platform fees a few years later.
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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 4 2023, 08:27 PM)
The talk hosted by iFAST and MoneyOwl just ended. There is no legal commitment from iFAST that the fees will remain the same in the future.

Pretty sure they will raise the charges/start charging platform fees a few years later.
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iFAST Global Markets published a summary of the key points raised in the video on their website: https://www.ifastgm.com.sg/igm/article/view...sition-to-ifast

The full video has also been published:



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post Sep 11 2023, 08:44 PM

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OCBC Frank account application update:

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Dear Valued Customer


We are pleased to inform you that your FRANK Visa Debit Card application has been approved.

Here are some points you should take note of.

Using the digital card
To retrieve your digital card number, expiry date and CVV (the three digits beside the signature box at the back of the card), go to:

OCBC website > Banking for Individuals > Personal Banking > Cards > See all cards > Debit Cards > select 'Learn More' under FRANK Visa Debit Card > select 'Apply or Retrieve Details' and enter your unique reference code, XXXXXXXXXX.

You can also apply for OCBC Online Banking access on the same page. For security reasons, after seven days from the date of this email, the page will no longer be accessible.

Before you can use this card, you must:

  1.  Deposit money in the savings account that we opened for you under this application; and
  2.  Add the card to your mobile wallet - no activation is required. If you wish to make purchases via any website or app, you can only do so at those that request your CVV.

If you have OCBC Online Banking access, you may - at any time - log in to view details of and deposit money in the savings account. Here is what you should do:

  1.  Go to the 'Customer service' tab on the navigation panel > Click on 'Online Banking - Link/delink accounts' > Enter the One-Time Password sent to your mobile phone
  2.  Select your newly created savings account to have its details displayed on Online Banking. You can deposit money in this account
  3.  Go to the 'Your accounts' tab and click on 'Overview' to view details of the debit card tagged to this account

If you do not have OCBC Online Banking access, you can apply for it at the digital card page or wait for us to mail you an Access Code and PIN.

Using the physical card

You will receive your physical card and PIN in five working days*. You do not need to activate this physical card if you are happy using the digital card stored in your mobile wallet - no action is required of you.

Should you activate this physical card, you must replace the CVV already saved on any website or app (besides your mobile wallet) because it is different. If not, you will be unable to make transactions on these platforms.

If you have any questions, please call us at 1800 363 3333.

Thank you for banking with us. We look forward to serving you again.


Yours sincerely

Leonard Tok
Executive Director
Cards Business
Group Lifestyle Financing
OCBC



* If you applied for a FRANK debit card, you may have to wait a little longer - up to seven working days - while we customise your card with your chosen design. One more thing: The default design you will see at the link above is merely illustrative. Your physical card will carry the design you picked!



Do allow us to warn you against phishing attempts involving emails that claim to be from OCBC. We will not send you any emails with links. Enter your login credentials (Access Code, PIN or One-Time Password) only into the OCBC Digital app or OCBC Pay Anyone app, or after accessing the OCBC website (always type out the URL to do this).

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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 11 2023, 08:44 PM)
OCBC Frank account application update:
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Warning: Those who open an account with Frank may not be able to open any other account apart from 360. A message from the website will show that you don't have a valid reference account for the purpose of opening say, Monthly Saving account.

Lesson is DON'T open OCBC account on any SG uni campus or any FRANK store! Head straight to the nearest OCBC branch and queue like other Sporeans...

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post Sep 12 2023, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 11 2023, 09:09 PM)
Warning: Those who open an account with Frank may not be able to open any other account apart from 360. A message from the website will show that you don't have a valid reference account for the purpose of opening say, Monthly Saving account.

Lesson is DON'T open OCBC account on any SG uni campus or any FRANK store! Head straight to the nearest OCBC branch and queue like other Sporeans...
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I made a mistake. Was too excited yesterday lol

My Frank account was finally set up today. And yes, you can open monthly savings account from the online banking portal.

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QUOTE(john123x @ Sep 12 2023, 02:05 PM)
are you a SG resident or working in Singapore?

I dont think its possible for Non resident to apply for Franbk
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Student in SG. Frank is targeted to students...

But you don't need Frank. Monthly saving account is good enough. Why tie 1000 SGD with the bank when you just need to set aside 500 SGD?

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 12 2023, 02:17 PM)
TOS steps is not applicable to us Malaysian who is not a student or working there. Just stick with what works for us.
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Hehe. For those applying without job/study in SG, make sure your phone has NFC capabilities before you open your OCBC SG account...
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QUOTE(evangelion @ Sep 14 2023, 09:27 AM)
Bro, can elaborate?  confused.gif
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You can just try to follow Mr. Gray's method: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=107765266

Download OCBC Sg app and open Statements Saving Account from there. If your phone don't have NFC capabilities, then the app will inform you and you will not be able to open an OCBC SG account using that phone (so need to use someone else's phone).

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