i knw its sarcasm, but still progression in robots nwadays is very fast , maybe it will be twice and thrice faster, we dont need AI that is like in terminator, but what if a person ( lets assume he is mad scientist) manage to create robot that is programmed to kill anyone he order? wouldn't it be like terminator? still there is a long way to come =D

Btw, i think there is no need to worry much about robot, for us human to survive the next 100 years is a big problem. Just look at how bad planet earth is destroyed by ourselves....

It will never happen, i didnt say there is a possibility that it may happen.
It come back to a question about religion again, is there God?.

If there is then it will never happen, if there isnt then there is a possibility of it happening. Depends on which way you look at things.

A robot can never re-produce itself,unlike human (yes we know,it takes 2 to Tango).
A robot is as good as what you make it to be.

yeap agreed with the last statement.. im kinda pissed with the "green earth" campaign. they are clearly doing it for money. now, lets not look at earth. imagine earth is a person, a human. when he has flu, fever, nobody give a damn. the it worsen to high fever, still no one care. now its cancer last stage, only ppl start to care for him. isnt it a little too late? u might as well enjoy the last moment of earth before its all over

now, back to the main topic. if a mad scientist (MS) manage to create a robot as u said, without proper AI, he wont be able to kill effectively. for example, the robot is in point A and his target is in point B. without excellent AI, he will proceed from A to B in a straight line method (i believe MS programmed it to use the fastest way to kill his target) this makes it very vulnerable and easily destroyed.

lets look at terminator. why is it so hard to kill? because its intelligent? hardly so. they just rush to their target. the main problem with terminator is its "indestructible body". lets not look at mercury man, thats a bit too far in the future for us to worry about. lets look at arnold robot. normal rifle couldnt stop it, nor can a shotgun. heck, even when its head is plummeted (in terminator 2) by whatever that thing is, it still manage to reboot. this means that its core (CPU) is still undamaged. for those who watch terminator 2, u know that the mercury man aint gentle with arnold. that is no light punishment.

now, lets get back to real world. where on earth are we going to find such hard material? not to mention that I did not saw arnold recharging himself even once. so it means that it is capable of recharging itself. question here is how? solar panel? radio wave? highly unlikely.

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Added on May 21, 2010, 4:14 amgiven an infinite amount of time, with the assumption that humans race are not wiped out before it happens, there is a 99.999999999999999% it will happen.

IMHO, i think u view us humans a little too highly. we are not that great of a creature.
are we the smartest? no
are we the fastest? no
are we the strongest? no
are we the one with the sharpest eyesight? hearing? smell? touch? taste? no
are our communication the best? no

so why are we the top of the food chain? simple. we are just plain jack-of-all-trade

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Added on May 21, 2010, 4:19 amunfortunately, the world biggest problem is human

why is our ozone layer almost gone? human
why is there war? human
why is the nature being polluted? human
why is the natural resources being drained like its nobody business? human
why is the world climate changes so drastically? human
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in short, the root of all problem is humans. therefore, only be eliminating us can the AI truly solved this world problems. i might sound pessimist but thats the truth

This post has been edited by Frostlord: May 21 2010, 04:19 AM

I wish I could be that optimistic. The US Army has already deployed remote-controlled drones to blow up terrorists/civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. It'll probably be just a matter of decades until the remote control is made redundant.

Yap, he still do need a smart AI to kill effectively. but it doesnt need the AI like skynet.

Robot can replicate themselve, if the AI is linked to the manufacture factory. Its possible.

Still, i hope one day i wake up, the whole city is green, with much nature and not smoke....

Actually, I always thought we got to the top because we clubbed, speared, chainsaw-ed, and drilled our way up there.

Man's ability to abuse and mistreat Nature and Himself makes Him what He is today.

a robot cannot reproduce itself?? do u know what a mass production factory is?

even if there autonomous robot is developed and proven effective, i dont think the army would be letting it to decide on kill target on it own, there will always still be remote control by a operator.

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Added on May 21, 2010, 9:20 amit will disable the civilian electronic, but military hardware are not likely to be harm if already harden. the US military EMP protection have drop in the years since the cold war. the effect of EMP is well know and equipment can be easily repaired if there are spare part available.

This post has been edited by robertngo: May 21 2010, 09:20 AM

Himself rather than himself? Ooo it makes humans sound almost divine, lol.

A bit off track here but I'll go with Agent Smith of the Matrix when he said humans are like viruses. We land on a spot, sapu everything until there's nothing left, then we move on to the next spot. We are like a disease. So if the runaway AI develops into the tree-hugging sort, we'll start looking like a disease fit to be wiped out.

But again, I go back to my original question that's still unanswered. While AI and robotics development is at its infancy, would you support the ethical limitations on the science the way they did for cloning?

Ok I get u, the difference between wants and needs. I think wants will appear when organisms are pushed to compete for limited resources, the way men flash their toys when trying to attract a mate. Question is, will self aware machines behave the same way when put under the same circumstances.

in 2050, computer will have the processing power of the brain, so it is coming in just a few decade.

Dear TS,

Above all the things you said about the 3 rules, the first basic thing is to make the machine understand what we are typing for them.

So far until now, no such machine exist. unless I am unaware about it.

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even if there autonomous robot is developed and proven effective, i dont think the army would be letting it to decide on kill target on it own, there will always still be remote control by a operator.
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Again, I wish I could be that optimistic. But seeing how much better we've become in the Art of Genocide, I feel it's just a matter of time. That's just my opinion though.

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it will disable the civilian electronic, but military hardware are not likely to be harm if already harden. the US military EMP protection have drop in the years since the cold war. the effect of EMP is well know and equipment can be easily repaired if there are spare part available.

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Apparently, it's even easier then I thought to build a Faraday Cage.

http://preparednesspro.wordpress.com/2009/...v-faraday-cage/

Now I just need one big enough for my PC.

And my TV.

And my psp.

all machine now do exactly what they are told and only what they are told, the next step is to have machine that can learn to do things on their own.

Of course, is there not a spark of divinity in each of us?


Yes. Though I say it with a heavy heart.

i think he meant we humans can reproduce unlimited times. but for robots, as robots are made up of materials, there is a limited amount of that material on earth. therefore, there will be 1 day there wont be enough material to make robots anymore. just like our oil in a few years to come.

source? if no, tell me this back in 2050

Superhuman Intelligence-level AI predicted to be developed by 2030

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/technolo...ingularity1.htm

checkout blue brain project, they expect to be able to simulate the brain in 10 years time, by 2050, we may be able to upload our brain and live forever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Brain_Project

http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0157.html?printable=1

an out of control self replicating nanobot could consume the entire earth in an grey goo senario.

This post has been edited by robertngo: May 21 2010, 10:04 AM

Um... who is the TS guy I keep seeing ppl refer to in their posts?

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Added on May 21, 2010, 11:10 amAh.. the first answer, thanks.

Personally I'll vote no. Since we've proven time and again that we cannot be trusted with our own future, it wouldn't matter who's in charge, a benevolent AI or some 3rd world dictator. Yes the smart android may not be that benevolent but at this point, if I had to choose between a rational-violent machine and an irrational-violent human, I'll take my chances with the machine.


This post has been edited by Beastboy: May 21 2010, 12:21 PM

TS = Tread starter. Which I believe is you.

i don't believe A.I. will be even near animal intelligence level, let alone human intelligence, within the next 1000 years.

The human brain is more complicated than you think. Just because you can program a robot to walk and talk like humans doesn't mean we are near to achieving human intelligence. The ultimate goal of A.I. is to develop one that is self-aware, a goal that is almost impossible to achieve considering that we're not even sure if self-awareness even exists.

Even if we were somehow be able to recreate A.I. the same level as human intelligence, it is no different than your TV or washing machine or iPod, in that they are simply machines.

This post has been edited by mylife4nerzhul: May 21 2010, 04:20 PM