if the machine became truely self aware it will respond to information with it own judgement not preset program, the massive challenge to replicate the biological function of the brain on non biological component, that would include creativity, the machine will find it own solution to problem. just hope that the problem does not include rterminating all the pesky human

http://www.consciousness.it/CAI/CAI.htm

This post has been edited by robertngo: May 19 2010, 09:10 AM

Yup, I believe till today, no AI has actually pass the Turing test.

Talking about AI, there is one computer scientist who need to be mentioned, Alan Turing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test
The Turing test is a proposal for a test of a machine's ability to demonstrate intelligence. It proceeds as follows: a human judge engages in a natural language conversation with one human and one machine, each of which tries to appear human. All participants are placed in isolated locations. If the judge cannot reliably tell the machine from the human, the machine is said to have passed the test. In order to test the machine's intelligence rather than its ability to render words into audio, the conversation is limited to a text-only channel such as a computer keyboard and screen.[1]

The test was proposed by Alan Turing in his 1950 paper Computing Machinery and Intelligence, which opens with the words: "I propose to consider the question, 'Can machines think?'" Since "thinking" is difficult to define, Turing chooses to "replace the question by another, which is closely related to it and is expressed in relatively unambiguous words."[2] Turing's new question is: "Are there imaginable digital computers which would do well in the [Turing test]"?[3] This question, Turing believed, is one that can actually be answered. In the remainder of the paper, he argued against all the major objections to this proposition.[4]

In the years since 1950, the test has proven to be both highly influential and widely criticized, and it is an essential concept in the philosophy of artificial intelligence.[5] To date we still do not have machines that can convincingly pass the test.[6]

Unless desire is included in the AI, i see no fear of such 'takeovers' happening on its own accord.

Oh, but there is, according to the theory in the 2004 film: "I, Robot".

In order to protect humanity as a whole "some humans must be sacrificed and some freedoms must be surrendered", as "you charge us with your safekeeping, yet you wage wars and toxify your earth".

So the "takeover" is not motivated by a desires. It is by logic. You see, the Three Laws implies that robots are to ensure that no humans must be harmed through actions and inaction. But since inaction wouldn't work at all (since humans are capable of harming themselves nevertheless), they decided that the most logical solution is to take over the human dominion, and as to "benefit humanity as a whole", even if that logic implies that harm must be done, and lives must be taken.

Pure logic.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: May 20 2010, 01:59 AM

i said 'by its own accord', god damn it. and that does not include our own short sightedness when inputting commands into the computer.

And what if "by its own accord" is actually its own logic? Unless of course if the Three Laws are absolutely flawed.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: May 20 2010, 02:06 AM

its own logic is input by us. so its still our fault if we input the wrong logic like the one u described in the movie 'i,robot'
faulty progrmming. whats the big deal....happens even today.

No.

a truly self aware machine will make decision by its own, scientist are actively working on robot that can learn to do stuff, not being programmed to do stuff so it can solve problem that it have not been programmed. so it could have happen when the machine learn of all the evil that have been done by human, an extermination is the only logical thing to do.



This post has been edited by robertngo: May 20 2010, 09:16 AM

Maybe a new robotic wars... and human are just sheep stuck in between of two gigantic robotics (sounds like transformer.. LOL)

Would it be accurate to assume that artificially-spawned self awareness is going to be the same as human self-awareness?

Humans are carbon based. Computers are silicon based. If left in the wild, can we assume that a silicon-based brain will develop consciousness the same way as a carbon-based brain, and adopt the same priorities in its existence?

i know..

a self learning computer can be dangerous. But unless they have desires, there is very little to fear about AI world domination. Well unless its programmed to do just that.

This post has been edited by teongpeng: May 20 2010, 04:58 PM

In programming, I can define desire as a measurable gap that need to be filled. For example, if I'm a battery powered robot and if my power level drops to crtitical, I can be programmed to look for a power source to recharge my batteries. It is no different than the human desire for food. Both eating and recharging batteries serve the same function: to recharge energy.

Now if I am a self-learning, self aware machine, I still have these gaps that need to be filled, these "desires." If survival is my prime goal and if humans block all my sources of power, I may force through those blockades even if it means harming a human in the process. The big problem will come when energy sources dwindle and man & AI machines have to compete for the same resource.

This post has been edited by Beastboy: May 20 2010, 05:36 PM

no one can know until it is developed. but scientist always model intelligent with human intelligent, if there was to be a day that machine reach sel aware i believe i will most likely be model on human brain function.

what u described is a need. And need differs from desire. A need is actually a weakness for it is something u cannot do without.

A desire on the other hand is something like "Oohh OoooooH...i would like to have one of that kickass graphic processor fastenned into my belly".
Desire therefore is more dynamic and changes with situation. With desire also comes ambition...an ambitious machine....now thats something to fear.

even if it happen... what about we launch EMP on them?

electronic can be shielded from EMP, military hardware are built to spec that have protection from EMP, if the robot in this case are made by the military it is most likely already been harden again EMP.

Bring on the hot cylon babes. Just bring it.

I thought EMP can break any disable most electric circuit for a period of time... btw, this mean emp nowadays useless?

@TS, i think your question is a bit too broad as there is no dateline

in 100000 years to come, anything could happen, unless you are suggesting that humans destroy ourselves (or alien invasion) before we are destroyed by AI

well, for AI destruction, it is quite a long way to go. as we can see from our current tech, we have nothing that is even 10% terminator (Asimo is like 0.000001% terminator )
for alien invasion, it could happen anytime. heck, it could even happen tomorrow. This is because there is no measurement that aliens will not reach our planet soon (a few decades?) but we can be sure that in a few decades, terminator will not exists yet