That's only because you miss the question that was on the first lines of my entire post.

Can you see it? Of course you can. Do you want to see it? That's the question.

Yes.

rule number 1. = robots may not harm human.
rule number 2. = robots protect human.

End.

This post has been edited by teongpeng: May 30 2010, 03:45 PM

What if the humans harm themselves without being detected by the robots? And what if protecting a human also means harming another human (to advocate the use of sheer/brute force) to stop him from harming another one? And logically speaking, wouldn't that mean the robots have already FAILED to uphold two of rules?

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: May 30 2010, 04:27 PM

the robot oughta find another way to prevent the harm from being done in the first place. duh. you're not very good at problem solving are u?

do you think matter acts on mind or mind acts on matter.

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Added on May 31, 2010, 11:20 amthe logical outcome is to control human so they cannot do harm to themself and others.

This post has been edited by robertngo: May 31 2010, 11:20 AM

Sounds like why parents curfew their kids. Cannot go out after dinner ler...

sounds more like being treated like a bunch of domestic animals

Robots armed with weapons can kill... Here is an example

Robot Cannon Goes Berserk, Kills 9

This is what you've been saying from a few posts earlier, and it's what makes me asked the question:

What is that "ANOTHER" way that you're talking about?

what la....im not the robot...thats for the robot to find out ma....maybe contruct a protective barrier or sumthing or wutever...so many ways la...depends on the threat.

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Added on May 31, 2010, 6:46 pmya something like how a parent would protect a kid that always get into trouble.


This post has been edited by teongpeng: May 31 2010, 06:46 PM

Exactly what I've pointed out. Unless the robot is omniscient towards all human tendency of harming himself, humans will always be able to commit suicide, resulting in the robot failing the First Law, and resulting in the rebellion I was talking about earlier.

me no understand la.... how can failing first law result in rebellion wan?

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Added on May 31, 2010, 7:02 pmrule number 1. = robots may not harm human.
rule number 2. = robots protect human.
rule numer 3 = when there is a clash between rule 1 and rule 2, rule 1 overwrites.

there. isnt that fool proof? see dude...the problem is in the logic.

This post has been edited by teongpeng: May 31 2010, 07:02 PM

Very good question. Can we put a rock and Tuesday together. Can we find "Pi, 3.142" in the space. Does it make sense to say I own the number seven?

Seven is an abstract idea. It can be illustrated using monitor screen, from the toy number seven, or written on a blackboard. We can not say a chalk (matter) gives raise to seven as seven is an idea and non physical.

Similary, we can not immediately adopt the materialism/reductionism approach in saying that matters would give raise to mind.

Matter is physical and occupying spaces and could be located. While mind is a holistic idea that can not be located in space, and can not be measured.

In a more philosophical explaination, should Latin language was not documented, and non of the Latin citizen exists now, hence we would normally say that Latin language is dead.

We can not say that we can find Latin language (abstract idea) on a physical body of a Latin citizen (matters), as this is a wrong approach.

Latin language is a holistic idea and can not be equate to a physical body (matters) in reductionism.

Same can be said to mind and matter. Mind is a holistic view of an abstract idea of thought and can not be bridge directly to physical matter in reductionism.

Consider asking the following question, is mind attached to a brain cell, a group of cells, or the entire brain? This is the wrong question to begin with.

gotta remind myself to get a terminator bodyguard,preferably T-101 model with arnold Schwarzenegger skin

you really did not answer the question

i prefer T-X
hot yet powerful enough to annihilate loads of enemies that stand before her