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 May 25 2010, 12:49 PM
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Just back from dyno tuning my SAFC2. Pear hp is 118whp while peal torque is 138Nm. Not very much improvement compared to before AFPR+ACP upgrade, but the the torque curve is flat all the way to 6.5k rpm.
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May 25 2010, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE(laytiong @ May 25 2010, 01:42 PM) can share your dyno chart..wanna compare with my own. I only have 2 mods.. Hotbits 4-1 and K&N drop in. The rest stock standard. The tuner at JC Racing advice me better not set it too lean to 'protect' the engine. Will upload the dyno chart when I find a scanner.I'm getting 116whp and 136NM torque but i'm running a bit lean due to better breathing. I'm planning to install SAFC2 end of the year hoping to push up torque and HP by another 5HP / NM respectively.  Added on May 25, 2010, 1:48 pmMax hp/torque doesn't matter much to me. The curve that flat out till 7k rpm is my target as I always drag till there. This post has been edited by sphiroth: May 25 2010, 01:48 PM |
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May 25 2010, 02:55 PM
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The AFR are now so nice.
 
compared with the previous one » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « p/s: you all should subsidized me for doing dyno so often  This post has been edited by sphiroth: May 25 2010, 05:11 PM |
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May 25 2010, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE(singchaii @ May 25 2010, 04:17 PM) Not to run too lean on engine because it will harm the engine. It can make your engine overheat faster due to the combustione chamber getting more hot. Especially for campro engine as it having a poor cooling system. That why most factory set the mixture a bit rich to protect the engine. Lean mixture can make the car more power but will sacrified the engine life. After tuning I have more confidence to rempit. Before this (after retard my cam). I purposely set the SAFC to rich.The boss there recommend me to install e-manage. 1.4k complete with install tuning.  Added on May 25, 2010, 4:38 pmI think this is as much as we can get since the Neo CPS Lotus Ed. also got 145hp only and it got higher cam profile. This post has been edited by sphiroth: May 25 2010, 04:38 PM |
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May 25 2010, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE(shinjite @ May 25 2010, 04:42 PM) play cams bro No cam for CPS yet in the market (still waiting for R3). Meanwhile, I gonna stop modding until next year. Completed all my stage 1 plan already.   |
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May 25 2010, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE(singchaii @ May 25 2010, 05:30 PM) No.. It already had high cam for campro cps.... I'm referring to a 'higher' cam |
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May 25 2010, 06:14 PM
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QUOTE(laytiong @ May 25 2010, 06:00 PM) i've compiled a comparison of spiroth's new and old dyno data and matched it against mine. Its in the attachement included here. The attachment can't be open. BTW, in my previous post i mentioned SAFC2 but actually its E-manage blue dat was recommended to me. Plan to use that to fix my lean mixture. My dyno is done using Dynojet here in Penang.  |
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May 25 2010, 06:33 PM
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Nice work
Added on May 25, 2010, 6:49 pmMaybe you can compare with pearjar dyno chart also. This post has been edited by sphiroth: May 25 2010, 06:49 PM |
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May 25 2010, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE(laytiong @ May 25 2010, 07:06 PM) Sent me the link. I compile again http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o285/pe...S/Image0003.jpg |
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May 26 2010, 08:36 AM
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QUOTE(pearjar @ May 26 2010, 08:12 AM) Emm.. I thought e-manage not suitable for campro.. About e-manage, I also 'heard' the same thing. Powerzone recommend to use 'Power Commander' because it is designed for closed loop system and it is connected after ECU, not before. But then, the closed loop are only for 3k rpm and less, so I think it is better to use e-manage/safc/afc-neo. Between SAFC and NEO, ofcourse Neo better, colour LCD. But most of the time, my safc stayed in hiding instead, so no point having a nice display. If compare to AFC-Neo/SAFC, with one better? Last time spiroth convert it to N-M.. What the formula again... Use the online converter to convert the units. |
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May 26 2010, 09:07 AM
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QUOTE(pearjar @ May 26 2010, 09:02 AM) Emm... So AFC-Neo first lah.... Hehe.. Got money fall from the sky... Rm1k... What to do ekk.. New Neo is 1.6k+200 for install and tune. |
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May 26 2010, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE(laytiong @ May 26 2010, 09:14 AM) @pearjar: use wolfram alpha website to convert. that's wht i did on my iphone. u can go to website directly also. type "xx.xx kg-M to newton meters" E-manage blue + install + tuning only 1.4k at JC Racing.@spiroth: i was offered 1.7k for e-manage blue plus tuning until happy. AFC-Neo i tink has less options compared to e-manage. besides u dun need a fancy screen. as long as can rempit |
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May 26 2010, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE(pearjar @ May 26 2010, 09:54 AM) Just call the shop.. Install+ dyno tune.. rm1350 Go for it. QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ May 26 2010, 09:56 AM) safc, afc-neo and e-manage can give what effect? Added on May 26, 2010, 9:56 amsuddenly gatal pulak tangan QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ May 26 2010, 10:00 AM) but i want to know the function first. cant understand from reading. xplaination is better QUOTE(pearjar @ May 26 2010, 10:03 AM) S-AFC/ AFC-Neo is Air Flow Converter... It change air flow rate to get best/optimum A/F ratio... That's all i know... Correct. AFC/SAFC can change airflow setting to tune the A/F ratio only. E-manage can also do ignition timing (if you bought the ignition harness). Its not really something that can improve hp/torque, its just like a 'conditioner'.A/F too rich, engine response become sluggish and consume more fuel while A/F too lean, might cause damage to the engine. QUOTE(mrl @ May 26 2010, 10:08 AM) too much racun... Aaaahhhhh.... Cant take it... Its not for you to see, its just for showing off to your friend. While rempit got time to look at the fancy screen r???  |
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May 26 2010, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE(nayte @ May 26 2010, 12:31 PM) based on your dyno chart, the best afr is 13 right? does that only apply for campro cps engines? AFAIK, for NA it should be the same. Added on May 26, 2010, 12:52 pmhttp://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/116_0402_innovate_air_fuel_ratio_meter/index.html This post has been edited by sphiroth: May 26 2010, 12:52 PM |
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May 26 2010, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE(mrl @ May 26 2010, 01:01 PM) I thought the best afr for complete combustion is 14.1 right? What will happen if we set 14? Overheat? The 'ideal' is 14.7. But since our fuel and also air is not ideal, the best afr for lowest emission is 14.1. To get the most power, its around 13-13.5. This is from what I've read and please correct me if I'm wrong.And, somebody did say the cooling system is not that good, anyway to improve that? QUOTE(shinjite @ May 26 2010, 01:08 PM) 14 for me is kinda lean already CPS got extra oil cooler if I remember correctly.Cooling system? Get dual layer aluminium radiator ^^ QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ May 26 2010, 01:46 PM) I want to improve the torque summore. Airfilter no problem. Put back the original one when going for service.I want to change the air filter first. I've recommended to change xractor but the car still new dont want to touch anything near engine yet This post has been edited by sphiroth: May 26 2010, 02:17 PM |
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May 26 2010, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE(pearjar @ May 26 2010, 02:42 PM) Last time using Nan83 a/f reader, my car show 16 at idle and 14.8 at WOT.... Thats too lean bro... Hehe.. Need to wear racun protector ler... Me also need to sorok.. Wife ask, will say 'alat penjjmat minyak'.  13.5 is dyno dot2 line, most efficient maybe..... Some said 13.8 is the best... Zen/ KCNG  SC foreman said that cps come with oil cooler, both auto and manual.... But couldn't find it at my car... My AFPR is also 'alat penjimat minyak'' 13.5 or 13.8 depend on tuner, all got their own 'recipe' maybe.. This post has been edited by sphiroth: May 26 2010, 04:55 PM |
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May 26 2010, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ May 26 2010, 09:02 PM) Eh guys, I have a plan to install turbo timer. No need. Our car got pre-installed timer already. Try driving hard and shut down the engine. The fan will keep spinning for about 5 minutes. Any recommendation? plz dont give me high-end punya turbo timer la QUOTE(laytiong @ May 26 2010, 09:23 PM) @pearjar: Without adjustable cam pulley, no need for ignition harness and IMO playing with it is a bit dangerous. <-just my opinioncan u PM me where can I get the data? I will re-compile the data again to add your torque details @spiroth: JC Auto 1.4k including ignition harness? mine 1.7k includes wor..all in. Pg also 1.4k nia but no ignition timing. Abit pointless. I wan to use full capability of the e-manage otherwise i would consider AFC-Neo. Thanks Compile this standard CPS dyno also in your analysis. http://images.paultan.org/images2/Proton_G...Chart_Large.jpg |
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May 27 2010, 08:25 AM
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QUOTE(proton1888 @ May 27 2010, 08:00 AM) halo world... Check out the 1st page. Everything there. need some help... i'm planning buy a waja CPS manual model but do not know the FC, can some one share me the infomation? thx.. |
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May 27 2010, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE(proton1888 @ May 27 2010, 10:45 AM) I like the 125HP for the car btu quick high the FC for Waja CPS. Try to think like this, the savings you got from buying this car at 62k compared to the nearest rival 120hp Honda City at 85k is more than 20k already. That can buy you almost 10k liter of ron97 fuel.  Added on May 27, 2010, 1:22 pm QUOTE(pearjar @ May 27 2010, 12:41 PM) Oo.. Want ur AFR actually... Hehe... The tuning cost for Haltech is not cheap and quite dangerous if not done properly.Gear pecah?  Don't want to drive, just wanna sit beside... Hehe... Scary..Me wanna install AFC-Neo actually.. But my car with my mum.. She borrow for 2 weeks.. p/s:Some said just save money for haltech.. rm2.5k, cant find anywhere... This post has been edited by sphiroth: May 27 2010, 01:22 PM |
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May 27 2010, 02:47 PM
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No need to think so much... just go for it. hehe
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