there are lots of pics around
http://www.christopherwardforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3607
http://www.christopherwardforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1940



can order now and wait for it to ship in Sept
http://www.christopherward.co.uk/men/sport/c7/c7skk.html

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Added on July 26, 2010, 10:37 amQC vary quite a bit. it maybe cheaper to get it direct from them, but then it may not be worth the trouble.
I have met ppl having better success ordering from USA. They do a 2nd round of QC there. prices do start at ~US$4k
http://www.usseagull.com/production.asp?cid=8&pid=52

there are always cheaper Chinese Tourbillion, no exp with them
eg
http://www.perpetual-watch.com/tourbillon.html
http://www.minnor.com/a

some even cheaper
http://forums2.watchuseek.com/showthread.p...736351#poststop
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=244896



This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 26 2010, 10:43 AM

U are looking at sale items or those Nearly new items?
new items, none of the chrono are near your budget.

they seem to have auto models for all their range. not sure if thats their goal

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Added on July 26, 2010, 9:57 pmboth are quartz. the comparison here is more design (personal taste) than anything else.
just go with something u enjoy!

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 26 2010, 09:57 PM

swiss chrono auto, u can forget that.
china easy to find

cheap swiss auto watches? check page 1 post 1. Alot more brands are posted.


if are notified today that its shipped. U wouldn't get a status on Royal Mail immediately. I recalled it took me a day or so to get that status shown.
maybe they screw up, if so better right? free watch!

any lume pics?
its rubber strap, can show a pic of the strap and back? how to size the strap?

did U post on MWF? can post a link to show more pics? didn't look big on U too.

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Added on July 27, 2010, 10:34 amSinn prices going up fast... thats why Mr Helmut Sinn went back to be watch biz to make high quality and affordable watch.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 27 2010, 10:34 AM

the strap is design like this? double folding at the end? a pic is world a thousand words.. do show pic.
how does it work since its diver.. have a diver extension right? cut wrongly is getting a replacement OEM strap easy? if grow fat have room to adjust?



This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 27 2010, 10:52 AM

did U change the bezel spring/hands/crown etc on the Rolex?
or its just oiling/cleaning?

1yr now! it was 3mth when I did mine. Things had certainly improved!

kids dig TAG, branded and do get attention from friends!
unfortunately the value still around 1K, quartz much lesser.
my TAG is your generation and I have seen it going for ~500-600 used!

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Added on July 27, 2010, 8:51 pmprices in swiss would be higher than malaysia, even after VAT refund!

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 27 2010, 08:51 PM

1st of all who are these ppl? they got watches at a good deal?
even their grey dealer Time of Switzerland a sponsor on watchnet, their prices aren't that low.
I have only heard go France get LV, go Italy get Italian designer labels. Armani is for men.
nothing for man. wine?

well thats for their new chrono movement. the older chrono still have a Mod ETA 775X movement, the seiko movement isn't cheap even if U get it on a seiko watch. Its still a good US$2-3K min. don't go thinking seiko are cheap. if its a credor dress in tag at a lower price, wow thats a sweet deal!

every watch manufacturer want to control sale of parts. if Tag is not trying to be rolex. Zenith/HUBLOT also part of LVMH group and they do a better job. resale value its all about supply and demand. Pam put a cheap Unitas pocket watch movement mod by Sopord due to demand b4 the financial crisis some are sell higher than NEW! and these watches today go for ~US$4k? Dornblueth uses Unitas but every part is revised and some are change, alot of work goes into it. Extremely low production and ppl that enjoy the quality of his work still pay a high price. however resale value on these are not as Strong as our beloved Pam.

anyway, if watchmaker is looking for movement parts they are not hard to come by esp most tags uses ETA movement. those parts are just abundant.

15-20yrs ago Johnnytan tag 2000 series is hype! today? not so much. tag design change with the times thats 1 reason why resale value is so poor. anyway, like it just get it, no pt getting a watch that U're not going to wear it

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 28 2010, 08:37 AM

during that time, Breitling is already in the market and prices was reasonable too. but that time Tag's marketing kinda overshadowed many brands

10-15K budget, and price will maintain or go up despite inflation?
today only ROLEX, those high end PP, VC, JLC etc

at ~USD4.7K budget only watch to look at is rolex, then again its heavily counterfeited. Plus no guarantee it will maintain its price. They do have good resale value but it still means U are taking a loss! over the yrs the cost of maintenance just make things worst!
U may find PAM but prices are falling and U still take a hit no gain in that Department. so it would fail the pt in RED.

JLC, Zenith, IWC, FM, Cartier under US$30K watches U'll not find watches that will meet your requirement in RED. even watches above that kinda price tag also no guarantee.

even these limited ones at 60pcs, I am not sure if their value would go up. its all Econ.. supply and Deman.
http://lmtime.com/watches/chronovintage.php#

want to buy a watch as an investment I suggest U don't buy. not even a LE watch from TAG will maintain its resale value.

remove that, and we maybe able make other suggestions.
as for less counterfeit. google replica watch U find site such as the below, whats less to u?
http://www.watch-replica.net/
http://www.watcheslux.com/

btw: JLC master compressor starts at around US$6K, b4 discount. many hover around us$10k. getting close to 30% isn't hard.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 29 2010, 05:14 AM

I didn't find star moon on a google. if its 5002P U cannot compare it to a Merc S500.
it was last sold on an auction for US$1,116,562, I am pretty sure seller made a profit.
http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/lot_det...bjectID=5320709

yes, don't buy watch as investment. your Dad's PP not even sure it will hold value over time. cost to service it isn't cheap.
have u asked him if he brought it in esp if he had own it over 4yrs.

est taken from pp site


eg prices of some pre own PP
http://www.tarrytownjewelers.com/preowned_...d.asp?BrandID=6

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 29 2010, 09:35 AM

LOL this SLS AMG? its starting price is ~EUR$177K. more like 5 of these in Europe. Msia sure push these price sky high
http://www.carsession.com/car-news/mercede...-amg-price.html

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Added on July 29, 2010, 7:26 pmcheck it out some time ago.
which one did U order?
http://www.magrette.com/the-timepieces.php

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Added on July 29, 2010, 7:32 pm100K??? the below watch?
chop carrot??? Maybe u can get 2 at this price tag and still have$$ for Tag.
Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Offshore Scuba
Reference Number: 15703ST.OO.A002CA.01
Retail Price: US$15,200.00 or ~RM48K
http://professionalwatches.com/2010/01/new...oyal_oak_1.html

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Added on July 29, 2010, 7:48 pmat 15K so many brands to choose.
u could get the entry level JLC master compressor.

ck77 recommended those brand I think only Aninomo fewer fake. but u would want a regular ETA/Unitas movement for 15k.
try Dornblueth, nomos, RGM, Louis Moinet few fake on these brands
at least I didn't find the on these major replica sites.
http://www.watchesreplica.net/

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 29 2010, 08:13 PM

nice! nice part time u got there. don't know how long u work. but saving 50K for a watch thru part time job is certainly SWEET!
hope u find some JLC u like. at 15K, many will be entry level for u. u can see grey prices are already up there.
http://www.thewatchery.com/Jaeger-LeCoultre/Watches/
oh.. don't expect COSC from JLC for some of their watches. u maybe disappointed.

major player in the market will definitely get copied.

U may wanna look at Ulysse Nardin, Orient Royal, Credor/Grand Seiko too.
maybe something like that?


these sporty Grand Seiko starts around US$5.5K
http://www.seiko-watch.co.jp/gs/collection...tml?pid=SBGE001

credor at ~US$7K and up
http://www.credor.com/lineup/index.html

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Added on July 30, 2010, 12:49 amSeiko, Orient?

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 30 2010, 09:03 AM

how accurate U thinking of getting? when U say 50secs then I don't get it.

this orient is just at US$99 now, of course its not stylish. that kenneth cole its china movement if its an mechanical.
http://www.longislandwatch.com/Orient/Orient_Watches-2.htm


this is close to your budget
http://www.pmwf.com/Watches/WATCHSALES05/O...oCET09001B0.htm


alittle more can get something like that
http://www.pmwf.com/Watches/WATCHSALES05/O...hireCrystal.htm


this is US$77
http://www.watchmann.com/proddetail.asp?prod=2EM0H007B


a seiko 5 should fit your budget
http://www.pmwf.com/Watches/WATCHSALES/Sei...eSalesTable.htm


This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 30 2010, 09:52 AM

doubt elainor will have love for any GS.

Damasko new watches with new in house A 35 movement with Si balance spring
http://damasko.de/eng/index.html
http://damasko.de/modelle.htm



This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 31 2010, 09:41 AM

Stowa A10 is a movement they buy from Soprod.
The same A 10 could be found in http://www.orangewatchcompany.com/milsub/index.php
Soprod made these A 10 to compete with ETA 2892

the Damasko movement would have alot of tech innovation. eg
- EPS® spring
- four-point ball bearing
- Silicium escapement
- Double-eccentric ratcheted winding system

maybe thats why these watches prices cost EUR$2990. in terms of tech they seem to a head of Sinn now.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 31 2010, 09:48 AM

&idThe ETA 2892 is facing alot of competition

Selita SW300 is design to compete in this market too. Soprod may end up dominating the higher end market.
http://www.sellita.ch/index.php?option=com...emid=23〈=en

just looked at SW200 data sheet. i am surprise that my CW 600 movement is a top grade! the Incabloc shock absorber explained in the user manual did help me ID that. somehow on the forum ppl kept saying no grading from Selita.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 31 2010, 09:58 AM

Timex is US brand made in Philippines.
at your budget u cannot be so picky at how the sec needle is pointing. 50 vs 50.2 is ok..
50.5 U shouldn't buy it the 1st time U ssee it

at your budget leather watches, if u sweat alot u need to change it esp those cheap ones.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 31 2010, 09:41 PM

great history on Rolex and tudor, Didn't know Tudor use Rolex movement. When did it happened? 1940s to when?

really its started with Rolex? I still though those German brands which started Unitas or Peseux. Rolex is a big brand so get all the attention.

anyway Panerai today still uses a Unitas, a mod Unitas by Sopord. OP X and OPXI are all Unitas 6497.

Unitas is made by alot of smaller swiss company I think. comoany such as choisi, Louis Erard have been making parts.

The late Nicholas Hayek? in the Aug 2010 issue of watchtime (interview) he did it cause he is pissed off with ppl that have no manufacturing capacities and wanna enter the watch biz. Legally he cannot refuse to sell movement to these small company. with that in place he can refuse. small watch biz can seek out there new movement company to do it. Selita is using ETA design as the patent/copyright on it has expire. he did not do it to spawn innovation in the watch industry. he just felt automotive industry can choose not sell power tran to any Tom d*** of harry why must he be force to do so. He invested so much money and other just reap the rewards. consumer like it but if U are in the business will U like it?
its like china, ppl like to pirate Software, now when they are innovating and producing and fellow country men pirate. these new folks are so Pro anti piracy law there. Weeding out the weak player is always a good thing.

hmm... didn't Dunhill and Cartier still use other ppl movement. Cartier is moving towards inhouse.

Roger Dubis had been selling such expensive watches and all the past movement have serious reliability issue. rush to market, reliability will definitely suffer.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Aug 1 2010, 12:04 PM

why not get rid of the min hand too.. that maybe messed up..

something like this
http://www.defakto-uhren.de/


U can call RXW
www.rxw.jp