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Mgsrulz
post May 11 2010, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(ramz @ May 10 2010, 11:40 PM)
I don't think we can conclude much without detailed analysis on the stats,coz:
1. Malaysia' population is only 8% of USA. USA has more people so naturally has more downloads
2. Malaysian internet consumption is much smaller then USA. so USA have more internet users, so naturally more downloads.
3. USA probably likes warez-bb more then malaysia. Malaysian's prefer bit-torrent maybe.
4. i understand warez-bb doesn't only download games, it can be other digital media. so must breakdown the ratio further by media type
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with that in mind,even swithIT's link is pointless.

as for the digital media being downloaded, piracy is piracy,there is no difference.
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post May 11 2010, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ May 11 2010, 09:57 AM)
with that in mind,even swithIT's link is pointless.

as for the digital media being downloaded, piracy is piracy,there is no difference.
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Well, that seems fair since the stats weren't broken down into further more meaningful detail. However, this article in today's paper looks interesting.

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Malaysia making it an offence to possess pirated goods

KUALA LUMPUR: The Government will amend the Copyright Act 1987 to make it an offence to have pirated goods, just like it is an offence to possess stolen goods, said the Minister of Domestic Trade, Co-operatives and Consumerism Datuk Seri Ismail Sabri Yaakob.

He said the amendment, to be tabled at the next Parliament sitting, will streamline the existing provision besides giving awareness to the public on the similarity between keeping pirated goods and keeping stolen goods.

“The people should know that an offence is still an offence and if we are aware that we have bought stolen goods, legal action can be taken against us. Pirated compact discs (CDs), digital video discs (DVDs) or video compact discs (VCDs) are stolen goods,” he said in his speech when launching the Anti-Piracy Campaign 2010 here yesterday.

The campaign aims to raise public awareness, check the sale of pirated goods at shopping complexes and business premises, prevent illegal downloading from the Internet and weaken piracy syndicates.

Ismail Sabri said his ministry would also embark on educational programmes and consumer awareness through the Genuine Sales Carnival, seminars and workshops, among others, beginning here next month, Sungai Petani, Malacca, Kuantan and Kuching.

He said that between 2005 and April this year, action had been taken on a total of 5,561 cases of pirated goods involving the impounding of CDs, DVDs, VCDs and equipment for producing pirated discs worth about RM275mil. — Bernama
Not sure how they're going to manage tracking the downloading, but seems promising for modded and pirated console games me thinks since you normally buy them from physical shops.

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post May 11 2010, 10:28 AM

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“The people should know that an offence is still an offence and if we are aware that we have bought stolen goods, legal action can be taken against us. Pirated compact discs (CDs), digital video discs (DVDs) or video compact discs (VCDs) are stolen goods,” he said in his speech when launching the Anti-Piracy Campaign 2010 here yesterday.

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bad move,IMO.
question:
how do you tell the difference between a legal back up and a pirated disc?

so i have 50 CDs in the house,which i legally bought.
i dont listen to all the songs on those discs,just some.
so pointless for me to dump them all in my car.
what do i do?
rip them and create back ups in a form of burnt CD-Rs.

now i dont see how that is illegal.
but if this gets passed, how will they(the government/police) know that what i have is legal or not?

it's impossible to prove.

bad,bad move.
instead of going against the pirates, they go against the consumers.
at the end of the day,the consumers get burnt.
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post May 11 2010, 10:34 AM

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in the not near future (i am talking in term of months), the pirated DVD, VCD, and CD will be dead! u just ask these pirate sellers, business is getting worst. i don't need to go and get something tangible anymore. i'll just stream it to my computer. luckily games don't fall into the same trap, coz the protection is built into the consoles (with exceptions)
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post May 11 2010, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ May 11 2010, 10:28 AM)
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bad move,IMO.
question:
how do you tell the difference between a legal back up and a pirated disc?

so i have 50 CDs in the house,which i legally bought.
i dont listen to all the songs on those discs,just some.
so pointless for me to dump them all in my car.
what do i do?
rip them and create back ups in a form of burnt CD-Rs.

now i dont see how that is illegal.
but if this gets passed, how will they(the government/police) know that what i have is legal or not?

it's impossible to prove.

bad,bad move.
instead of going against the pirates, they go against the consumers.
at the end of the day,the consumers get burnt.
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Its, not impossible to prove.

If it ever gets that far, the only way to prove it is to actually show them your Original copies.

In typical form, our yahoos here obviously haven't thought things through.......

And I agree with ramz, the pirated DVD, VCD, and CDs are history. Its now or soon to be blu-ray all the way. And don't believe these pirate lot talking about selling pirated blu-rays. Its ridiculous to imagine them ripping a 25GB movie and sticking it on a 8GB DVD (which most of them seem to be doing), think how much video and most audio quality is lost.

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iv'N
post May 11 2010, 11:45 AM

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In America, do they allow back ups, even though u own originals?
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post May 11 2010, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(iv'N @ May 11 2010, 11:45 AM)
In America, do they allow back ups, even though u own originals?
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Yes, I believe they do for CD's and DVDs.

For Blu-ray's you'll notice that some come with digital copies that you can store on your PC as backups.

It's not allowed for video games. I'm not sure that many are aware about this but when you buy a video game (irrespective of platform) you are actually only purchasing the rights to play the game and you don't actually own it. Therefore, making copies of them is in fact illegal.

I think this extends to all media, and its to protect the IP rights.
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post May 11 2010, 02:25 PM

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imo ya sure US torrent the most

but you also remember, US consumers BUYS the most games (second hand sales we not counting here ya).

Look at the monthly NPD numbers. Look at how many games are sold over there.

No wonder why any other market than US, all the publishers (all the major ones are in US anyways) just don't care about the world.
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post May 11 2010, 10:21 PM

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I would love to have similar stats for Malaysia but I think their almost nonexistent.

Think its cause these games / consoles are not officially launched here, or is there actually a way but no one tracks them?


Added on May 12, 2010, 5:31 pmUK downloading prohibited

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The government forced through the controversial digital economy bill with the aid of the Conservative party last night, attaining a crucial third reading – which means it will get royal assent and become law – after just two hours of debate in the Commons.

Earlier the government removed its proposed clause 18, which could have given it sweeping powers to block sites, but replaced it with an amendment to clause 8 of the bill. The new clause allows the secretary of state for business to order the blocking of "a location on the internet which the court is satisfied has been, is being or is likely to be used for or in connection with an activity that infringes copyright".

A new law in the UK now means that ISP's in Britain will be forced to feed information to the government about our actions online. ISP's will be forced to disconnet users who infringe upon copyright for fears of being fined up to £250,000 if they do not and ISP's will also be forced upon the secretary of states say so to completely block sites like this and many others from UK access.

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/...s-third-reading

According to the guy posting the article:
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For me this means an end to life as I know it and I think you will agree sucks balls.

Now I'm generally ok with it, but I want my hi-def tv series!

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