so much win ler LOL

and ive already laid it out, minus the sentry part

for sentries, if you know opponent is goin for em, you need to turtle until you get medivacs. if he block you/seperate you, MED-EVACCCCCCCUAAATTEEEE lololololololololol

or. micro ur marauders, takes about 7-8 to 1-2 shot a sentry. no big deal. if you stim pack, takes less than a second too.

dark templars? oh please. comsat/scv turret proxies LOL (yes, ive faced a few toss funny enuf to DT me. i only do MULE the first 2-4 times, then rest all for comsat cuz im dead lazy to scout, and in this case, LOL DT BALL BUSTING. 1 comsat only the dt just EVAPORATE from instant concentrated FAIYAH. and when im attacking, i bring 1-2 svc to proxy turret in case i dont have enuf comsat. (lazy to raven lol)

if he plan to HT transition, id camp with tanks quite honest f***ingly and take it slow on the push. cuz with latency, 1 storm is enuf to wipe out my entire MMM/half of it. and tanks arent too bad on HT, takes bout 2-3 shots lol. considering MMM, ur tech tree is quite diversify as you can swap around tech lab/reactor and you WILL have rax > fac > port ANYWAYS

and who said about 150 food count? my medivac comes out at ~60-70 and thats when i take it REAAAALLLY aggressive lol 150 is like, god, my grandma could be quicker than that lmao

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This post has been edited by Quazacolt: May 10 2010, 03:33 PM

i have concuss started the moment tech lab is done, shields 2nd once i got ~6-7 marines to make it worth it. i personally dont find researching stim useful without medivacs cuz they just well... die too f***ing fast lol. id want my army to last till medivacs can come out, and i prestim > heal > atk. if my enemy doesnt permit a prestim, usually id fine an opportunity to back off/kite > stim then hold my ground.

hence concuss > shield > stim

its... expected lol. hence why i stuck with amazon lol.

medivac is actually a dropship yo! lol. (does anyone actually uses them for a worker drop? 1 drop + stim pack is an instant worker wipe man lol)
and yeah, use it to overcome sentry FF blocks.

and thats WHY i had svc following my MMM push for turrets, comsat most likely will run out to scan DTs are ur front lines and/or base. and no, i dont camp at my mineral line man, only new units rallied there + turrets to spot. my main force is pushing his base + turrets

like i said though, post 2-4 mule i stop using em since i will be maxed out on workers for my main base, and expo isnt a priority to me since MMM are kinda cheap. and *typically* the reason for me to not worry bout it is also cuz of the MMM push.

btw, i am referring both 2v2 AND 1v1 considering ive been playing 1's lately to BURN my bonus pool (think of it as rested xp in WoW, damn this well thought out system ) and ive been facing situations where i have to get off my lazy bum and scout D:
had i not do my scoutings, said DT rush/mixup would DEFINITELY do me in as i wouldnt have comsat/turrets prepared
still holding my gold in 1v1 firmly XD
hopefully i dont get booted like i did in 2s and theres no excuse for shitty allies

and i dont think you're realizing this, but typical toss dont have a shit ton of mix up for medivac micros. or worse come to worse, do a med drop in the nexus :/
its DEFINITELY faster than 3x void rays for ur command center and if anything ur base rally would've enough marines stocked for an impending ray rush
the way you're describing a protoss is as if he built every single treee (lol robotics + bay + stargate) and mixing up EVERYTHING and supposedly having the upgrades for all said units. honestly, that isnt possible, and terran's MMM is still the most bread and butter all rounder.

with ALL that said, i personally am sick of it and i am looking for alternatives like the one shown on previous youtube, 1 side having a banshee/viking mixup into a marauder + med rush, while the other side, fully mechanized with thor spam + raven (gg anti-projectile drone, gg.) thats what i aim to do cept i just cant see it being all too viable in 2v2, and 1v1 you need to play it SO CAREFULLY as all those play styles require decent amount of tech time/expansions/small skirmishes. any mistakes and thats the game for you.

1) dmg nerfed, and air out maneuvers sentries. (in medivacs' case, they accelerate slow, but once got up to speed, they actually move faster than sentries by a ton)
2) not as much as youd think, if you wanna talk bout softness, ANYTHING LABELED TERRAN minus thor/BC are soft.
3) youd need a whole lot of sentires for that, in which, you'd sac ground momentum which marines/marauders would make swift dice outta it, and who said i cant medivac my troops backwads and let your sentries waste its energy? (or around the terrains, i mean, air always had movement superiority)
4) umm, right click to medivac then have medivac to queue command and move once its loaded? lol

well heres the toss dilemma then, he harrass me, i got rallied troops at the mineral line, he face my army, he gets raped. and DTs arent cheap mind you. the gas cost (i have to wonder, sentries AND DT? lol) would be a killer

for one, i DONT play with ' whiteRa/ Nazgul/ NonY ', in fact, do you? lol ive CLEARLY stated typical toss and thats that. and i myself play protoss and i have the best winrate using toss when i random them. so yeah.
just FYI, chrono isnt unlimited and i chrono my units too to have map control. more units = more control. tech, depending on what it is, can wait. (crucial ones like warp gate, blink or zealot charge id get em out asap for example)

also, toss DONT need sentries to be the best choke point defense. unit per unit toss reign superior, and the definition of choke points is that you limit enemy's unit count by choking them, and you are already having the upper hand. doesnt take sentries to do it AT ALL.

would be much obliged

btw that commentator from that youtube user kinda blows lol

day9 would be better if he could cut down on the "chatters"

you trying to point out sentries not so gud? XD

in all seriousness though, it was fairly straight forward, zerg fast expo, protoss tried to game on that, faild, and was punished SEVERELY for it. nothing to do with BO, nothing do with units at all.

same here, considering the gas cost of DT, i tend to ignore them entirely lol

day9 is the best amongst the rest imo and i think the main reason, is his passion. that is important in anything

the only problem with him is his chatters and pause lol. sometimes its nice, but most of the time oh god, a 10min or so match can drag to an hour /wrists

lol didnt manage to post the replay, had to go fly angels wwwwww

tonight finalizing that...

he swings that way

yea should be XD

trying to cabut early tonight too lulz, go back, epoxy some hooks to my ceiling, then upload replay XD

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This post has been edited by Quazacolt: May 11 2010, 12:21 PM

oh ya, 1v1 replay bug, there will be 2 "ghost" players lol.

sorry bro, really busy lately trying to get my ass on japanese tv LOL

nothing to do with sc2

one thing i noticed for most terrans (tarson, vs whitera in particular) is that they do not get early engineering bays lol. hence just a couple of DT and it can wreck a lot of havoc. do notice though, every scan made and its a vaporized DT lol. or that late raven.

i guess it benefits me being an upgrade whore to get eng bay and able to have versatility for DTs in case i face em. i started having the habit of bays not because of DTs btw. its mainly for void/muta/banshee rushes LOL

shouldnt be a problem if you're going classical MMM though, 225min/gas from eng bay upgrade and the bay itself isnt a big deal to be honest, considering i typically 2 rax instead of 3 off the bat. and usually wouldnt even consider 3 as id tech out ports/fac more

scout and countering is one thing, RTS and its APM'ing is another. and theres always other factors outside whats being said, like a random catch of moving units from a high ground position, or a bad flank/engaging encounter between skirmishes.

i actually *need* it if im vs'ing toss since weapons upgrade boost marauders a lot to punish stalkers/sentries (haha punisher nades)
would also make stim packs more worthy per stim as their dps gets boosted a ton from upgrades units.

if i comsat 4 gates id typically do slow mechanized push with tanks or heavy medivacs over an aggressive marine/marauder based army. and my expo is typically a lil late (whichever race i play TBH, shouldnt be possible for zerg but queen is just so imba lol, case in point: 1 hatch gets faster mutas than a 2 hatch) so id get better map control from having a superior army.