Omega3 & 6 not listed, it's in the Salmon Oil .....
Price for 3KG?


One of my Dog also does not like kibbles, but will eat it if she is very hungry and got nothing else to eat.
The good point of this is that my dog will never gouge on any kibbles in her bowl.
The bad point is she will only eat a bare minimum to satisfy her stomach.
This ends up her sometimes a little under weight,.....
Feeding your pup plain yogurt (low fat, if the dog is not skinny) once every 2-3 days before their meals.
Start with 1 tablespoon, and observe the stool, if it is not solid reduce the yogurt by 1 teaspoon.
Also a treat of RM5 chicken breast(without bone) from the chicken rice shop once a week as long as the dog is not overweight..

This post has been edited by mecharojak: Oct 4 2010, 04:29 PM

thanks for the info mecharojak,

i got the 1kg package to try first, i got it for roughly RM23. My dog has started to get used to the new kibbles. During the initial stage, he would really pick out the ones he doesn't like. Fortunately enough, he is ok with the new kibbles.

So anyone has any comments on the ingredients? =)

Hi Mecharojak,

Thanks for the advise, I will try to feed him some plain yogurt and see how is his reaction. Hopefully he will eat more as I think he is skinny (but groomer from pet shop said he is looking good)...I prefer cute fatty puppy...

For the chicken breat (you mean the roast chicken breast from the chicken rice shop???) Can we feed cook food like that to the pup?

Anyway..thanks for the information. Appreciated.

First of all what breed is your dog?
Secondly i wouldn't worry too much. If he is still active and running around then he is eating enough. You would be surprised how little some dogs eat. I have one Toy Poodle boy (over 1year old) who eats around 20-30 kibble pieces a day. He has more energy than any of my other dogs and is the perfect weight.
Its a really bad idea to force or hand feed your dog as you will teach them that if they don't want to eat, they will get hand fed (think about it this way, would you rather feed yourself or be fed?). If you are worried that he isn't getting enough nutrition, pick up one of the supplement pastes (nutri-cal, nutri-gel, puppy paste etc.) and give him a pea sized blob every day (i do this for my toy dogs until they are 6-8months old anyway.
Also it is not advisable to mix traditional kibble with BARF style diets (Raw dehydrated is basically BARF). I would stick with one or the other.

All in all, just don't panic, he will eat when he needs to. Unless there is something majorly wrong (health wise) a dog will never starve itself given the choice.

I've never heard of this brand before, but have had a quick look at the ingredients and such (thanks mecharojak for getting the info). My first issue comes in at ingredient number 3 (Poultry Fat); I have a number of issues with this ingredient, starting with the Poultry, this is a multi-meat ingredient which means it can be a combination of chicken, turkey and duck in any ratio (making it an unstable ingredient). Secondly to have a 'fat' as a third ingredient is a bit high up for my liking. Finally, this is supposed to be a Lamb and Rice formula, although there are no rules governing it, in my opinion (due to the issues a lot of people/dogs seem to have with chicken) a Lamb and Rice formula should not contain chicken in any form. Apart from that none of the other ingredients are too bad i guess, not keen on beet-pulp or brewers-yeast though.

As far as nutritional values go, i'm not personally a fan of high protein contents (i stick around mid 20s, this food is 32%) but can't give you any conclusive evidence that shows it is bad. Will leave it as, it is unnecessary for a pet dog and is most likely just passing through unused.

Overall i wouldn't say it was a bad food, but i wouldn't say it is worth RM23 for 1kg. I would expect much much better ingredients for that kind of price.

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Added on October 4, 2010, 10:03 pmsorry, didn't see this bit.

If you have a dog such as a poodle, shih-tzu, maltese or something else with a longer coat that can be clipped into a teddy bear clip, allow your groomer to create the illusion of "cute fatty puppy" with their coat. Making your dog overweight (even just a little bit) for your own aesthetical pleasure is slightly cruel and financially inadvisable (due to the health issues related with obesity in dogs).
A dog that is groomed to look 'pudgy' is always cuter than a dog that is well padded (as long as he is groomed well by a groomer who knows what they are doing.

You can feed your dog cooked food if you wish (although i would make sure he is eating enough kibble first, feeding 'human food' will often make picky dogs even more picky. I would always recommend cooking the food yourself however to ensure you know exactly what is in it and how it was prepared. If you are interested in cooking for your dog (either as a staple diet or as an occasional treat) i can pm you a list of things to avioud as well as a list of things that are actually good for dogs.

This post has been edited by Divas: Oct 4 2010, 10:03 PM

Hi Divas,

Thank you very much for all the information. My boy is a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel puppy (5 month old). As you said its better to let the puppy to eat the food rather than hand feed him. And will get those supplement for him. I think its just me the one who worry too much about his food intake and I never know Addiction Raw Dehydrated is basically BARF food (he love the food so much).

For home cook food, I will still prefer kibbles in the moment as I dun normally cook at home. But I would like to said a million thanks to you for providing me those very useful information about my puppy problem.

Thank you

Anytime. I know it is tough. I panic about my kids as soon if they skip a meal... but you just have to learn to be strong and ignore it. Remember, sometimes you don't feel like eating one meal, there isn't really anything wrong, just not so hungry that day... dogs are the same. Sometimes they will fast for a meal or 2.

Cavaliers are very awesome dogs. But definitely don't make him chubby, they are very ugly overweight . A Cavalier won't be thin, they are quite stocky naturally so will still look cute if the right weight. Also as his fur grows out he will look fuller. One great trick (although it is too much for some people) is to let them stay in the AC a lot of the time... we actually went as far as to install an extra AC downstairs to keep my Goldens' coats full. They are still fine when they go for their walks (early morning and early evening) and look fantastic.

Start from now I have to learn to ignore him if he is not eating again as I don't want to make myself worst later hahahah....Anyway he is sleeping in the aircond room with me during night time but day time a fan is on all the time to cool him down. From here, I heard you are feeding Taste of the Wild kibbles to your pup, how is the feed back? I am thinking to switch my kibbles (Now! puppy formula) to TOTW.

Thanks ya

Thanks Divas for the information,

Not really good at analysis the ingredients just yet, still at the learning stage. Care to recommend any good kibbles specially for puppies?

Natural Balance does not have kibbles specially for puppies, but it is said that it is suitable for dogs of all stages. Is it ok to go for that?

Nope sorry. I'm feeding Canidae. Thinking about bringing in stock for ToTW and then i'll probably do a trial on it with one of my sensitive kids to see how things go. I would feel safe recommending it though, i have only heard positive things about it.

Don't worry, you will get there. It just takes time. When reading labels the basic stuff is pretty simple to remember but when you get down to the details, there are a lot of things to think about so keep at it, you will get there .
I follow ALS formulas so aren't so familiar with a lot of the puppy formula's. I supplement with a nutritional supplement (nutri-cal and all that) when i feel it is necessary instead of using puppy formula.
When you have some free time just pop down to your pet shop and start reading ingredients. You will be able to get a pretty good idea of which are good foods from there.

[quote=Divas,Oct 5 2010, 12:02 PM]
Nope sorry. I'm feeding Canidae. Thinking about bringing in stock for ToTW and then i'll probably do a trial on it with one of my sensitive kids to see how things go. I would feel safe recommending it though, i have only heard positive things about it.

Hi Divas,

Thanks. I will start to mix Now kibble with TOTW soon and see what is his reaction. Hope he will have better appetite. Really nice to talk with you here.

This post has been edited by bchan28: Oct 5 2010, 12:23 PM

Good morning everyone,

After reading on different type of dog kibbles, I finally narrowed down my scope to two kibbles for my puppy. Artemis Fresh Mix (Small Breed Puppy) and Natural Balance Small Bite for Puppies.

Anyone has experience with the two kibbles? Artemis is a kibble that combines chicken, turkey and fish while Natural Balance mixes Chicken, turkey and lamb. Both the kibbles have protein range around 25~28%.

Any bad feedbacks on the two above products? Just want to know before i commit. Thanks

This post has been edited by kenneth_koo: Oct 6 2010, 09:21 AM

Hi guys, just happened to bump into this thread.

I'd like to ask if canidae products are being sold at Mid Valley?

And what might be the latest price of it?

Thinking of switching from Pro-plan as my 3 month old dalmation & mixed breed as they are experiencing itchiness.

Not so sure sorry.
Canidae is quite hard to find. It is imported by House of Groomers so quite often it is only their graduates that carry it. I have seen it in places like Pets Wonderland and Pet safari but not all the time.
For small bags the RRP is RM50 for ALS and RM55 for Lamb and Rice (from what i remember). I don't remember the price for big bags right now but i can let you know tomorrow when i'm at the shop .

You could try calling HOG to see if there is a shop close to you that carries it.
Alternatively try Nutri-Source. We have just brought this brand into our shop and it seems to be very promising. The supplier does give a lot of samples to shops who carry it so you can always pick one up if they have any left. I have seen some shops who try to sell them (for like Rm1) but they get them for free from the supplier and are supposed to be handed out for free so don't let them charge you for it .

Nutri-Source has 2 ranges, a normal one and a 'holistic' one (Pure Vita). They are both pretty decently priced and have good ingredients, so it is an option and should be easier to find than Canidae. Of course the Pure Vita is quite a bit better than the normal range (just called Nutri-Source) but it is also a little more expensive.


In other exciting news. I just found out the other day that the Canidae grain free variety has just arrived. It is salmon based and i will be doing some trials with it as soon as our stock arrives. I will be mixing it with my usual Lamb and Rice as i don't like the idea of such a high protein formula as the sole kibble, but i'm hoping it will help better manage a couple of skin problem furkids I have.

Thanks for your kindness.

I have called Pets Wonderland at Mid Valley & they quoted me RM 248 for Chicken & Rice while for Lambs, it is RM 268. They are all 15 kg.

Well I guess it may last me at least 2 months as I am feeding 2 pups & the Dal is a big eater.

Heard about this Nutri-Source....it seems like a decent product with reasonable price at least to me. Anyways, am going to Mid Valley tonight to source for those 2 brands & see if I can find the new Canidae grain free food.

Will update everyone along my trial & error as I luv my pups so much.

Thanks Divas!

Hi ya,

I have half pack (about 1kg +) of Now! puppy kibbles to give away (without original packing and expiry date on January 2011) My puppy is not eating it at all as he will leave the above kibbles in the bowl even I mix it with Can food.

Or any suggestion where I can donate the kibbles. The Now puppy is high quality grain free kibbles and I do not want to waste it.

Thanks.

http://malaysiandogsdeservebetter.blogspot.com/
http://www.paws.org.my/
http://www.spca.org.my/v51/

Thanks for the info.....

Can anyone advise me whether ToTW available in Ipoh?

hey guys, nice to see there alot ppl who look into what they feed their furkid. i need some advice . I've got a 10 weeks old GSD pup , super active also started obedience training.i'm feeding him eukanuba puppy food for now which i realized is crap( didnt do much research when i bought it last week).

1.so my Q is what dog food would i look for for my new purchase of dog food, any suggestions or recommendation. also how much $$ for food am looking forward too
2. when do i switch to adult food, as i have been told and read rapid growth in large breed puppy can cause joint problems in future as high protein content in puppy good ( dun shoot me if i'm wrong)
3. is there any good breed specific food for GSD ?
4. what would be a good treat to give once in awhile ?

looking forward to hear your replies. thanx

Hi. Firstly congratulations on your pup .

On to your questions:

1. It is best (especially today with so many new foods being available all of a sudden) to familiarize yourself with what makes a good food and decide for yourself. All the basics are in this thread so with a bit of reading you will get the idea. Concentrate mostly on the top 5 ingredients and nutritional analysis. There are a lot of decent suggestions in this thread as well so you can start with them if you are unsure .

2. If you are following separate life stages it is generally suggested to switch to adult food at 1year old. Some people suggest sticking to puppy food until 2 years old for large breeds as they can continue to grow up to 2 years old.
Rapid growth (but more weight gain) can contribute to hip and joint problems in the future. Generally as long as you keep your dog slender (not thin, you shouldn't easily see the ribs or pelvic bone through the skin). A good precaution with a large breed is to supplement with Glucosamine and Chondroitin (there are dog specific versions or you can use the human supplement, just check the dosage).
You can switch to an all life stage formula anytime you want.

3. I personally don't bother with breed specific foods (the most common one is Royal Canin) because i feel it is more of a marketing ploy than anything else (this is just my opinion based on the ingredients listed in the different varieties). If you want to use breed specific you can, Royal Canin is the only brand i know who does it.

4. For treats you need to find what you and your dog are comfortable with. There are quite a few 'healthy' treats around at the moment which are very decent. I would also strongly recommend getting some rawhide chews which are great for cleaning teeth and redirecting destructive chewing (you can get high rawhide chews for large breeds), alternatively if you prefer, you can use real bone. If you choose to use bone remember 2 very important rules; NEVER use chicken bones and NEVER feed cooked bone. The bones must be raw to prevent them shattering and causing intestinal damage.

My best advice is to choose for yourself when it comes to food. There are so many different diet types (BARF, Home cooked, kibble) and so many different variations of each and pros/cons of each that no one can tell you which food will suit you and your dog the best. Look through the options and decide what you feel suits. Then watch your dog's reaction to each (their physical reaction) such as their skin health, coat quality and stool to see how it goes from there.