Thanks alot, I'll get back to you asap .. I didnt notice the diet i gave him wasnt appropriate, thanks for those info shared

hi, i have a 9 week old toy poodle,
i have been feeding her with addiction raw dehydrated food before her 2nd vaccination, and after having her injection she came home and started vomiting,
after taking her back to the vet, the vet said that the food i was feeding her is not good for her now, and asked me to feed her with some trade junior kibbles mixed with hill's pescription diet i/d for the next 2 days, after that jus feed her with the kibbles,
but then after feeding her with the kibbles, she started trying to gag herself to induce the vomit, but she would not vomit at all, n after a day , i took her to the vet, after doin all the tests all they said nothing wrong with her, n jus ask me feed her with the pescription diet for 1 week den change to science plan after that, but is it true that science plan on for puppies with medical needs?

do advice me on what to feed her after this, caz i initially thought of just staying on with science plan after this, and i dunno what other types of food is suitable for her.

I personally don't like addiction raw. But that is personal opinion and not related to anything .

As far as your puppy goes. If she threw up the day after the vaccination, it is possible she was having a reaction to the vaccination (nothing to worry about, most puppies will be slightly lethargic the day after a vaccination and some will throw up). I'm quite surprised your vet asked you to change food though. I'm assuming his thinking was that the Addication was a bit much for her stomach to handle, but i would never suggest switching food right after a vaccination (especially not such a big jump from BARF to kibble).

What are you feeding her right now? and What type of diet do you want to keep her on in the long run?

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Added on December 12, 2010, 6:42 pmIn fact after thinking about it a couple more minutes and having a quick discussion with my business partner, i would say the most likely scenario was that she was having a stronger than normal reaction to the vaccination. Which would also explain why there is nothing showing up on any of the tests they have run.



This post has been edited by Divas: Dec 12 2010, 06:42 PM

i think my vet asked me to changed because before this, after my puppy ate her meal, her stomach is usually bloated, so i was jus asking her wat could be the cause, n she asked me to bring to food to her n show her, den she said she didn like it n asked me to change it lo..

n i immediately changed it also caz my puppy after vaccination vomited more than 10 times all the food she just ate n also the water she drank. n when i brought her back there they put her under 20 drips n gave her a vomit injection, den after giving her the pescription diet she was like ok. but her induced gagging started only after i finish the i/d n jus feed her with the kibbles. the vet told me that the cause of the vomiting after the vaccination could be due to the deworming,caz might be too much worms.. but i checked her poop no worms at all..

so if she could realli be having a stronger reaction to the vacination, does that mean now she would be ok ady? im worried the next round of vaccination would be the same prob!! was already so worried for the during the past week, with the doctor doind tests for parvo n canal cough all.. aiikks
but so far 3 days after only taking the i/d she is doin ok, only thing is that her poop is kinda softish...

currently, i brought her to another vet and they jus asked me to feed her with i/d now for a week and then change to science plan for puppies till adult...
i dun think i have any type of particular diet in mind, i just want her to be healthy, so any recommendation? =)

Firstly advice: I would stick with the i/d for a few days. Then very very slowly start adding kibble adding slightly more each meal. If she seems to start feeling sick again, take a step back and slow down your kibble adding even more. I wouldn't use Science Plan for Puppy personally, choose a good quality food to make sure your puppy has enough good stuff to grow properly. Also make sure your dog is drinking filtered water in case she is picking up a lot of worms. Make sure she is de-wormed once a month until she is 6months old, then step it back to once every 3 months. Once she is a year old you can de-worm every 6months (i'm talking only about intestinal worms here, you need to de-worm with an intestinal dewormer on top of whatever heartworm prevention you choose).
You can also pick up a supplement paste (puppy-paste, nutri-cal, nutri-gel anything similar). If she has problems keeping her meals down (or even if she isn't) you can give her one pea-sized blob a day to make sure she is getting plenty of protein, vitamins and minerals.
I would recommend staying away from BARF type foods (like the addiction raw) as it obviously has been causing her some problems. For some dogs (especially puppies), BARF can be hard to digest and wears out the digestive system, in cases like these any potential benefits of feeding BARF (although i am not convinced that these are valid for commercially produced BARF as of yet) are outweighed by the negative side effects).

Secondly reasoning: Its obvious that something had a major effect on your pup (i didn't realize how serious her condition had become after the vaccination), it could have been the vaccination, worms, a bad batch of BARF, tummy bug, eaten something weird or any combination of these. As much as i detest Science Diet, i do find i/d is very easy for dogs to keep down when they are having severe vomiting so if that is working for her, it is better for her to eat some i/d while she recovers than having nothing at all or continuing to vomit. As long as you take your time switching back to kibble (it could take anything from 2 weeks to 1month to fully ween her off the i/d, let it take as long as it will take to prevent upsetting her stomach again).
As i said, i don't like Science Diet for healthy dogs (hence not suggesting switching to their puppy formula). Its protein content and ingredients list leave much to be desired in my opinion. I agree it has its uses, but i don't believe a healthy puppy (which it seems your pup is) is one of them.
Chances are, the initial problem will have been very minor, however with issues that affect the stomach (especially for puppies) they can spiral out of control as the intestinal tract becomes overworked and irritated causing more vomiting which irritates the intestines more (and so it continues). This is especially true if it happens around the same time as puppy vaccinations as they keep the immune system busy (this is why you shouldn't board, bathe or stress your puppy after vaccinations).


As far as her next vaccination goes. I would suggest de-worming her a few days to a week before the vaccination is due (either do it yourself or pop into the vet to have it done) to make sure her system isn't overwhelmed. Keep a close eye on her after her vaccination to make sure she doesn't have a reaction and see how it goes.
You can also ask your breeder if she had any kind of reaction to her first vaccination as well as if she had any problems with her initial weening (from milk to food).

I hope that helps. If anything isn't clear or you need more clarification just let me know and i'll try to explain it further.

before this, i have been giving her nutri-gel vitamins, but after her vaccinations and vomiting, i have not given her any, so is it ok if i start feeding her the nutri gel again even when she's on i/d? i'm jus afraid that it would be an overload! lol, furthermore, after her shots, she doesn like to drink water as much as she previously did before. so im scared that with her lack of water and so much high protein food maybe too heaty for her...

but then her severe vomiting was just on the same day as her vaccinations and i it stopped after i fed her with i/d mixed with kibbles.. and on the 3rd day when i fed her only the kibbles(caz i/d finish ady) that night only she started to like wanna vomit, but nothing comes out.. can see her tummy like trying to push out something, but then after 3-4 times of trying to make it come out, she will stop, and she doesn vomit it at all...and the cycle continues after awhile..and that is what worries me..

so for now should i try adding the science plan kibble into her i/d for now?(caz the doc gave me some sample packs) or feed her back with the normal trade junior kibble which i think is what caused her to try to gag herself when i feed that to her witout the i/d...
doc now jus ask me to feed her i/d for a week den slowly change, but im scare once i move to purely kibble, she will start to try to gag herself again!!

if u think that science plan is not suitable, any recommendation of food which might be suitable for her???
i dun want to keep changing her food, incase i upset her tummy again, so better find out more while she is still on i/d.. lol

n also, when can i bathe her?? her vaccination was on monday, and after the visit to the vet he ask me to hold on for the next 10 days caz he thought we were treating her for canal cough caz he also gave her anti biotics, which she threw up that night, but then when i brought her back to the vet the next day, they said no need eat liao, caz not canal cough, jus feed i/d...

hey, n thanks so much for helping out, been realli stressed out this few days, couldn eat nor sleep well caz have been so worried about her!!
thanks alot!!

I have never heard of trade junior kibble, nor can i find it online. If it is a decent food then stick with that, if you aren't sure post up the ingredients and protein/moisture/fat content and i'll see how good it is.

Don't worry about high protein, Science Plan in very low protein. Remember that the protein content shown on the i/d can is for a wet food so will look very different to if you are considering dry weight. Also she is probably drinking less because of the high water content of the wet food (i don't remember what i/d is specifically, but can foods can be as much as 70% water).

Stick with the i/d for now until we settle on which kibble to start introducing. If you have sample packs of Science Plan you can always add a little in to keep her used to eating some kibble if you want.

The most important thing to remember is not to give her extra attention or 'baby' her. If you treat her very differently when she is sick, she will react to your feelings and possibly make her feel worse (or not get better as quickly). Stay in a good mood around her and avoid feeling sad/sorry for her/worried/nervous... any negative emotion really.
If your dog throws up, a simply (but happy) "oops, oh dear" or something similar is enough to let them know you have seen the accident and it isn't a big deal. Just relax, obviously keep a close eye on her, but treat her normally...
Basically what i am trying to say is, don't make a big deal about it... if you do, they will.

Hey Divas!! Thanks alott!! you have been of great help to me!!

i think that trade junior is just some ciplak brand the vet packaged herself de larhh.. hahha.. so i think i will just forget bout giving her that.. hahha

so far, have added science plan kibbles to her i/d, seems ok, just that her poop seems extra wet n seems like diarrhea like that, but apart from that, she sleeps alot, den wake n play walk here n there den goes back to sleep! lol..

and also i have narrowed down my choices for her kibbles:

california natural chicken( caz i read there quite good for sensitive stomach, n i was thinking caz she might have that caz she try to gag herself when eating the trade junior) and also orijen and go! chicken, fruits and vege..

any recommendation where i can get these in kl??

i was also wondering, can i feed her with the mixture of those 3 in a meal? or change it daily to give her a variety?

Her poop will be more soft from the wet food. Nothing to worry about, just a bit of a pain to clean up.

If you want to use all 3 foods, i would mix them all in one meal rather than switching every day (to avoid her getting picky and choosing one over the other (so eating some days and not others). Once she has been eating the mix for a while, you can adjust it slightly and feed her 2 of them a day (so giving some variety).
I generally prefer to use treats for variety and keep their kibble the same (i mix 2 different ones together, but they get the same amount of each every day, then i rotate their favorite treats so we have a different flavor treat every week or 2). They know that they have to eat their meal before they get any treats for anything, so like a kid waiting for dessert as a reward for finishing their vegetables, the dogs will have their treat for finishing their food.

As for her sleeping a lot. A healthy 9week old dog will sleep a lot of the day so that is pretty normal. They will usually wake up for a while (sometimes as little as 15minutes) to play then fall back asleep again. As she grows older, you will see her play for longer and sleep less during the day but for now, it is good for her to sleep a lot of the day as she preserves all her energy for growing (a hyper puppy who sleeps little will often end up much smaller than one who sleeps more in the first few months as they waste all their energy they are supposed to be using for growing).

I'm not sure where you can pick up those foods from, most pet shops carry all 3 though i think (especially the big ones like Petsmore etc.).
Hope your girl continues to improve and that this is the end of her tummy troubles. I'm sure she will be fine and carry on being a happy and healthy puppy .

yeah! i hope so too!!!
now just have to find the right kind of food for her so wont upset her tummy again.. and now still worried bout her 3rd vaccination, caz after her second thats when all this probs started... aii...

i dun think i can get for her treats yet caz i bought those milk bolo from japan, she cant even bite it properly yet, have to slowly sit n chew, so kinda hard for me to train her also.. any type of treats u would recommend?

n thank you from the bottom of my heart, thank uu!!

any 1 heard about super k9 dog food.....today i went to pet shop ,i saw super k9 brand dog food which from USA,the price is so cheap to me...only rm108 for a pack of 25kg...pls giv me any opinion becoz i plan to change to this brand,my 2 dogs cost me a bomb in the monthly dog food

my dog has been eatin extremely alot... need help b4 i go broke.... usual b4 work i feed him wit around 280g kibbles. then when i come bc after work, i feed him wit rice mix wit meat around 350g +- . n supper arpund 70g kibbles. in total, daily intake is around 700g +-

my dog weigh is around 10-15kg i think. i heard normal intake shud b 2-3% of body weight. dat means around 300-450g.. my dog eatin double d normal amount....

Active pups less than 1yr old should be eating machines.
Pic is a general guide to determine if your dog is obesed.

This post has been edited by mecharojak: Dec 15 2010, 04:51 PM

I heard chicken isn't a good ingredient for dog food, why?

Sorry, never heard of it (nor can i find the ingredients or nutritional analysis online). At a guess from the name, size and price i would say it isn't going to be a good food. If you can get an ingredients list at least, i can confirm or correct that statement. It sounds like what is commonly called a "breeders pack", very large amount of food for very cheap, in general terms "breeders packs" are not good foods and not usually used by responsible breeders despite the nickname.

Chicken isn't a bad ingredient for dog food. The stigma a lot of people have over chicken is based on the fact that all dog foods used to be chicken based. After a while, some dogs started to build up an intolerance to chicken. This lead to a lot of people thinking chicken was bad and favoring alternatives (such as lamb, kangaroo, salmon etc.). The truth is that chicken is actually as good as any other meat (as long as it is chicken or chicken meal, not by-products) and usually isn't the source of any problems at all.
Saying that, a lot of people do seem to find that their dogs seem to do better on a non-chicken based food (although i can't say if this is an actually fact or if people are so worried about chicken that they see problems that aren't there/don't see them when chicken isn't being fed).
Hope that helps .

thanks!!~~

Hello! Was just wondering if any of you heard of Fish4Dogs?

Pet Safari in Ikano (and basically all other outlets of Pet Lovers Centre) has recently brought the brand to the Malaysian market. Was chatting up with a guy that was doing shopping there with 2 of his furkids. He was telling me that Fish4Dogs have been the top seller in Singapore for many years. Pet Lovers Centre actually tried out the Singapore market, proven success, before bringing it into Malaysia. And he added "Singaporeans being... Singaporeans, they only want the best. Hahaha!". He also pointed out the obvious like how the brand is transparent in their percentage of ingredients (though, i added up the total percentage from the ingredients list and it didn't come to a perfect 100%) and went on about how Salmon and Potatoes are its main diet, with a whooping 7.5% of salmon oil. After all that said, i was convinced really just by looking at both of his silky terrier's coat.

Anyway back to the food...

There's 2 types for adult dogs: Fish or Salmon

Good thing about them is that they come in 2 kibble sizes! Normal and small bites.

Finest Salmon 4 Dogs Complete
(I got the below info from the packaging label. However, from their website, their stats vary a little. Not too sure why though!)

Ingredients
Salmon 32%, Potato 26%, Herring Meal 22.5%, Salmon Oil 7.5%, Beet Fibre 2.5%, Minerals and Vitamins 1.7%

Nutritional Analysis
Protein 26%, Oil 11%, Ash 9%, Fibre 2.5%, Vitamin A 15,000 iu/kg, Vitamin D3 1,500 iu/kg, Vitamin E 125 iu/kg, Copper 18 mg/kg, Salt Content 0.73%. Plus a full complement of over 30 vitamins and trace minerals needed for a daily, healthy diet for dogs.

Each pack of 1.5kg is retailed at RM48.90.
Promotion running now at all Pets Lovers Centres:
If you buy 4 packs, you get RM25 off, so you pay RM170.60. So each 1.5kg bag comes to RM42.65.
If you buy 8 packs, you pay a total of RM306, saving RM85.20. So each 1.5kg bag comes to RM38.25.

I bought 8 packs (4 Fish, 4 Salmon. Planning to alternate them).. So just wanted to hear what you guys think or if anyone had any bad experience with the brand. Can't seem to find any complaints online yet. Cause if there is, I still get to change my mind and exchange for other brands I initially had in mind to buy like Artemis or Oven-Baked.

I've seen the Fish4Dogs range at Pet Lovers Centre but not tried it. The ingredients look good in theory though (mostly meat, no grain, mid-level protein percentage which should suit most dogs). Fish oil is great for skin and coat among other things - I supplement my dogs' diet with fish oil if their main diet lacks it. Let us know how your dog does on this kibble

Hi Divas or other nice ppl out thr...i have a min schnauzer 5months old.currently feeding wif go! salmon..bt i stil found out sum small part of dry skin at sum of his body part..y tat???i mean da dog food is subject for skin sensitive prone dog like schnauzer..y i stil found out tat still gt dis prob occured?if nt for min schnauzer which dog food brand i shud go for???
thanks so much!!!

hey, why not try out fish4dogs? get the one for puppy. i got the one for adult as bailey's 6 year-old now. it's been almost a week now and i thought it works super with her. she loves the kibbles, i feed it to her twice a day, morning and night, about 3/4 cups each time. small differences i realised from fish4dogs from the other kibbles is that
(1) she now isnt hungry all the time (even though i have not changed her feeding amount)
(2) her poo looks healthy (in my own opinion) and she poos once daily. on other brand, she sometimes skip her poo session by a day!
(3) her poo doesnt stink so badly

the brand she's tried (in order) natural balance > artemis > canidae > addiction > fish4dogs

give the brand a try and if your dog doesnt like it at all, you can exchange it for another brand (at pet safari).