Do you consider the conservation of our wildlife a "trivial matter"?

Yes there are events that have more tangible consequences happening. Murders, rape, whathaveyounot. But at the same time there are also "abstract" and "victimless" crimes happening like insider trading, tax evasion, intellectual piracy... should we let these proliferate because we need to prioritize the "real" crimes? I don't think so, keeping society behaved requires a holistic approach on all fronts.

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Added on June 15, 2010, 2:36 am
Two wrongs don't make a right, heard of that? You can fight those actions based on their demerit, but you can never use it to justify your own.
The best thing you could've done was probably to leave them where they belonged. Look, I sympathized for your loss, but you really should've done some research before you invested into them. These tortoises have been CITES-listed for decades. I know you have good intentions, but you're still contributing to the trade by creating demand.

So.. This Topic no more Torts?

U guys plan to surrender or hide hide...???

FRIM big enough or not?
http://www.frim.gov.my/

Means we still can keep the tortoise IF we get the License?

Well I don't have that many species nor quantities. So it's either I sell them before the date, or simply declare them or even just throw them away (I'll take some pictures no worries ) into some forest reserve. Which ever it is, I don't really mind. Maybe I will opt for the last option since it will be be a win win situation for me. I don't have to waste anytime too.  What say you Perhilitan?

ALL HAIL THE TORT KING!!! LMAO!!!

rather release it oso...new sp will cross breed with local sp and create a New exotic ones...

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Added on June 22, 2010, 12:48 pm

damn i have few cites 2 then....hmmmm

Do contemplate carefully the implications of releasing into wild. Not only how it affects ur animal, but more importantly how it affects the local fauna. Ur new species may dominate n kill-off local species. Eg. african catfish, peacock bass, english pike.

Hii....just want to share, I've been worry with my tortoise bottom shell turn in to like this..(picture ).
But not getting bigger or spread or look like fungal..just like that after I start put him at garden a year ago...

Please anyone know about this what happen...? thanks

Cheers

So, you are the newly appointed pimp for the flesh trade over in Borneo now eh? LOL!

p.s. We have known each other since 10 years back. But I don't really know how you look like sial. What gives bro?! LOL!

You were there?! Fuc.k you bro for not saying hi. LMAO!

Anyway, I browsed through all of the pictures (edited and raw). I can't spot the "banned" forum shirt.

p.s. And it was not banned la. I PULLED the plug. You of all people know this because YOU WERE ONE OF THOSE THAT AGREED to pull the plug. Lagi cakap banned la pulak hahaha.

Ooh ok... Samperth, good luck with your breeding.

Cheers

Hope so. I am working out on another one in KL soon. This one should be bigger than the one in MVEC. But of course since I like to "surprise attack" (Sun Tze taught me that LOL!), the full details will be revealed one week before the event. And if there is a competitor there, I will "bombard" with heavier artillery. TGS may not be the first (infact if I recalled correctly she was the fourth to rise in 2009) in Malaysia. But I assure you that she will be the one.

You better be there and introduce yourself properly. Or else I will burn down your damn house...bro. LOL!

Regards

Sure bro. Once I get things finalised, I will inform you. No worries mate

The tip of the iceberg lettuce. I wonder how they fit 369 Radiateds into 2 bags and lugged them around. Strong strong women.
How is the man-girdle working on you bro? Got your dream Fig.8 body yet?

Rare tortoise sold openly at Indonesian expo
30 July 2010 Last updated at 11:46 GMT
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-10815983



The most endangered tortoise in the world is being sold at an exposition in the Indonesian capital, highlighting concerns over Jakarta's illegal pet trade.

Ploughshare tortoises, of which there are fewer than 200 left in the wild, are among those on sale at the event.

Wildlife trade monitoring group TRAFFIC says that Indonesia has emerged as a major trading hub for the animals.

The trade is lucrative, with some at the event priced up to $1,700 (£1,100).

Among those being sold at the plant and animal expo were the critically endangered radiated tortoise from Madagascar, the Indian star tortoise and the pig-nose tortoise from Indonesia's northeastern province of Papua.

Sellers told Associated Press that other turtles could also be obtained for a price.

'Lack of action'

Chris Sheppard from TRAFFIC said that dealers continue to flout regulations in Indonesia to trade threatened tortoises and freshwater turtles from Africa, South America and Asia.
  
"Recent surveys, and this expo, have shown that the trade continues and, in fact, now involves more illegally imported species than ever," Mr Shepherd told AP.

"Dealers know full well that it is illegal and are taking advantage of the enforcement agencies' lack of action."

In 2008, the Indonesian government tightened rules on the trade, ruling that all tortoise and turtle species listed by the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) exported to Indonesia would require an import permit.

According to a 2008 report by TRAFFIC, the supply and demand of freshwater turtles and tortoises appears to be increasing throughout South East Asia.

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Added on July 31, 2010, 4:13 pmIn this Thursday, July 29, 2010 photo, visitors look at tortoise on display during an annual flora and fauna expo in Jakarta, Indonesia. Critically endangered tortoise are being sold openly at a plant and animal exposition in the heart of Indonesia's capital, highlighting concerns about the rampant _ and growing _ illegal pet trade.

According to the World Wildlife Fund, of the 3,500 tigers around the world, 1,400 are found in India and only 11 percent of original habitat remains, of which is becoming significantly fragmented and often degraded.

The Association of Zoos and Aquariums estimates that up to 12,000 tigers are being kept as private pets in the USA, significantly more than the world's entire wild population, 4,000 are believed to be in captivity in Texas alone.[citation needed]