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Science Do you believe in ALIENS?, Astrophysicist Stephen Hawkin does

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robertngo
post May 5 2010, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(Bpdestiny @ Apr 27 2010, 11:34 PM)
God and alien are different =_= hmm, why are you relating it? I do not believe in GOD because of some scriptures..okay, don't want off topic already rclxub.gif
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alien may as well be god that created this world.
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post May 5 2010, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ May 5 2010, 06:29 PM)
alien may as well be god that created this world.
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Alien dead body
its not possible for God to be dead.
I always tought alien as some kind of US spy
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post May 5 2010, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(itnama @ May 5 2010, 08:05 PM)
Alien dead body
its not possible for God to be dead.
I always tought alien as some kind of US spy
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how can we know that is real alien body?
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post May 5 2010, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(itnama @ May 5 2010, 08:05 PM)
Alien dead body
its not possible for God to be dead.
I always tought alien as some kind of US spy
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why cant god be dead? odin and all the norse gods died during ragnarok. numerous egyptian and greek gods died too.
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post May 6 2010, 05:41 AM

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QUOTE(lin00b @ May 5 2010, 09:55 PM)
why cant god be dead? odin and all the norse gods died during ragnarok. numerous egyptian and greek gods died too.
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if die = not god
even in game u put "god cheat" u will not die
so tat odin or other thing is not god
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post May 6 2010, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(doob @ May 6 2010, 05:41 AM)
if die = not god
even in game u put "god cheat" u will not die
so tat odin or other thing is not god
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if god fight god, who will win?
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post May 6 2010, 10:45 AM

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post May 6 2010, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(doob @ May 6 2010, 05:41 AM)
if die = not god
even in game u put "god cheat" u will not die
so tat odin or other thing is not god
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who said they are not god, they are certainly the god of nordic, eygptian and greek mythology

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post May 6 2010, 11:10 AM

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i think hawkings is a pretty cool guy. eh beliefs in aleins and doesnt afraid of looking stupid.


Added on May 6, 2010, 11:12 am
QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 26 2010, 01:35 PM)
I wonder what makes people think there is other intelligent life forms elsewhere.
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what makes you think all ravens are black? nothing is impossible

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post May 6 2010, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(teh tarik satu @ May 6 2010, 11:10 AM)
i think hawkings is a pretty cool guy. eh beliefs in aleins and doesnt afraid of looking stupid.
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why would he look stupid, there are so many planet out there at least there will that able to support life. the stupid is those that believe conspiracy theory that alien have already landed on earth.

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post May 6 2010, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(teh tarik satu @ May 6 2010, 11:10 AM)
i think hawkings is a pretty cool guy. eh beliefs in aleins and doesnt afraid of looking stupid.


Added on May 6, 2010, 11:12 am

what makes you think all ravens are black? nothing is impossible
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aren't your comments contradict each other?

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post May 6 2010, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(CleverDick @ May 6 2010, 12:48 PM)
aren't your comments contradict each other?
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i never took a stand on anything. im ambivalent about this issue, but i do think that hawking's proclamations are nothing short of ridiculously preposterous so much so that it's funny. because it's funny, it makes him look stupid. that doesn't mean he's wrong though, neither does it mean he's right. i don't really care either way, i just find it funny, LOL.


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QUOTE(teh tarik satu @ May 6 2010, 06:44 PM)
i never took a stand on anything. im ambivalent about this issue, but i do think that hawking's proclamations are nothing short of ridiculously preposterous so much so that it's funny. because it's funny, it makes him look stupid. that doesn't mean he's wrong though, neither does it mean he's right. i don't really care either way, i just find it funny, LOL.
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why would you think the statement is preposterous if you dont think that is is wrong?

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post May 6 2010, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ May 6 2010, 09:06 PM)
why would you this the statement is preposterous if you dont think that is is wrong?
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I can see some glimpses of 'appeal to emotion' in his remarks...

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post May 6 2010, 09:40 PM

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post May 7 2010, 02:52 PM

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The definition of aliens/extra terrestrials should not be limited to the kind of beings we are, carbon life forms, that is.

Scientists and space explorers have been diligently looking for carbon life forms that also rely on water to survive, which is why they get so excited at finding out Mars used to or still does have water / ice on them.

Aliens for all we know, could be other life forms such as nitrogen? No such thing exist on earth does not mean it cannot exist on the other gazillions of planets out there. Though there is no prove on my argument, there is nothing to prove it otherwise as well. I'm just saying that people, especially scientists and researchers need to be more open minded to all the possibilities there is. smile.gif
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QUOTE(audreyreiko @ May 7 2010, 03:52 PM)

Aliens for all we know, could be other life forms such as nitrogen? No such thing exist on earth does not mean it cannot exist on the other gazillions of planets out there. Though there is no prove on my argument, there is nothing to prove it otherwise as well. I'm just saying that people, especially scientists and researchers need to be more open minded to all the possibilities there is. smile.gif
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Well those scientist know better as they career revolves around these day in day out. There are certain law that are consistent across the universe. Based on that, alot of scientists managed to discover alot on space and what's surrounding our solar system within the last few centuries or so. Of course some old discoveries might erred (Eg Pluto is not a planet but a moon), but they're gaining more and more ground. THis applies the same as well in searching of extraterrestial lives.

of course by keeping an open mind and assume those law will be different in a different galaxy, its pretty hard to get started for serious researchers to pinpoint a place to start looking. For eg, no water = no life. So planets with no water will be assumed as no inhabitants. An ultra openminded researcher (or normal people like us) might start looking at EVERYTHING in hope of finding something, which is a pretty tedious tasks. Without a basic foothold we might leads to nowhere.

For eg. I want to look for a tiger. Common understanding tells me tiger lives in jungle. But since I'm frustrated of not finding any of them in my jungle, I open my mind and think, maybe there ARE tigers in the desert too (a different one that has special abilities to survive in desert, perhaps?). So I blindly go look for one in the desert. Pretty foolish eh.

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post May 7 2010, 03:42 PM

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thats a shallow way of thinking, it is not "oh we have water, therefore others must have water too"

it is more about the special role that water plays in chemistry (as a universal solvent/formation of hydrogen bonds). can there be other universal solvent? it is the same with carbon.

also, generally lighter elements are formed first by fusion in stars. which is why our most common elements for life (C,H,O,N) are at the begining of the periodic table. life based on heavier elements that has the same chemical qualities are nearly impossible due to higher energies required in the chemical reactions and in high scarcity of htose elements.

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post May 7 2010, 03:46 PM

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Alan, I understand what you're saying, because it is tedious and maybe potentially pointless to look for something that may or may not be there.

However as researchers they have their better ways of searching for things. Taking your example as an example: I can't find any tigers in the jungle, so I check with my fellow researchers: Eh your team checking the desert rite? Found anything interesting? What? Found a tiger-lookalike being/creature roaming around there?

It is not a 1 man show or a single person effort, researchers and scientists work closely together (not talking about rival countries or whatnot) and they often share their findings.

I'm just speaking as a normal person, but logically thinking, scientists DO share their findings with their fellow researchers especially when it's a joint venture/cumulative effort.

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