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robertngo
post Apr 26 2010, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 26 2010, 01:35 PM)
I wonder what makes people think there is other intelligent life forms elsewhere.
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because of the sheer amout of planet out there, there must be some that are suitable to develop life.
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post Apr 26 2010, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Apr 26 2010, 01:43 PM)
Alien neednot be intelligent. Even a microbe not originated from Earth also can be classified as aliens.

Anyway... if there are intelligent aliens out there that are capable of reaching earth, it would be logical to assume some of them have human instincts (purpose is to exploit/enslave if possible. just look at wars amongs ourselves... and also against other organisms/their habitat). In reverse, if humans are able to reach other planets and found out its useful, we too, wont simply shake hands with aliens there. There has to be a scheme to exploit their planet.

It only take a "high ranking" alien's rogue gang/army to initiate a war with us, even though 99% of them might "come in peace".
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if they have the technology to do such a long space travel, it would be safe to assume they are much more advance than human. like a human meet an ant colony, will the human try to teach the ant technology or just destroy it because he want to plant a garden there?
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post Apr 26 2010, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Apr 26 2010, 02:19 PM)
So size matters. for us to be treated like a colony of ants, those aliens must be each be as tall as KLCC, for them to readily accept us as being tiny harmless creatures to them.

Even in the most kind/noble of human exploration team looking for uncharted land, there has to be one or few rogue ones who eventually anger the natives or worse, brainwash others to follow suit and wage wars on them. This is exactly what we as humans should fear, if the aliens finally landed on earth and propose a friendship. It only take one determined power hungry being (from our side or them) to start a misunderstanding... and there goes the neighbourhood!
the human/ant situation is more likely to happen if alien arrive. the alien will be very unlikely to look anything like human, they may not be carbon base life form, and they can be massively larger that us and most likely much more advance than us if they have master such technology of deep space travel. it is not like pandora in avatar where everything seen to be just a different version of animal on earth. sci fi movie often made alien life form similar to human or animal so that movie goer and identify with those character. more likely the alien will be like the Xenomorph.

the natives and the explorer are both human and even that does not stop the slaughter, imagine what you will do when you are much more technological advance race being stop in you trip to extract resources on earth by some pest called human? you will surely exterminate all those pest.

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QUOTE(Xepz @ Apr 26 2010, 04:21 PM)
One thing that seems odd to me, is how come our technological advancements grew by leaps and bounds in the 20th century alone? But for hundreds, and maybe thousands of years, our rate of "evolution" was very slow.

Nobody still knows for sure how that came about, unless the governments got it from somewhere. Like say, an alien spacecraft that crashed? Roswell, anyone?
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why do you think there is a connection between evolution of human species and the rate of scientific development?
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post Apr 26 2010, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(Xepz @ Apr 26 2010, 05:40 PM)
Cos there seems like a quantum leap in technology during the 20th century compared to the previous 10 centuries. So maybe alien spacecraft did crash into earth and the governments (like USA) managed to reverse-engineer the technology.

It's hard to explain the fiber optics, lasers, hologram technology, LED and many others which sprang up so soon after WW2.

Also, scientists cannot explain how come ancient monuments like Baalbek in Lebanon, where the ancient temple had many HUGE stone pillars weighing 800 tons. Even today, it is impossible to lift them using our technology. Just Google Baalbek.

Unless, they had some kind of outside help?

All questions with no satisfactory answers till today.
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now you are making a huge assumption that alien technology can be reverse engineer into something that are usable for us, and secondly what you are saying is that the following nobel prize winner are liar?

Charles Hard Townes
Charles K. Kao
George A. Hockham
Nick Holonyak, Jr
Dennis Gabor
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post Apr 27 2010, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(Xepz @ Apr 26 2010, 11:50 PM)
Not saying it's fact but only a possibility. In less than 100 years, we have space shuttles, sent men to the moon, nano technology, stealth technology, the internet, microchips, nuclear tech, particle collider, and what not. In less than 100 years, we have sprawling metropolises with huge skyscrapers that would have terrified even people just 150 years ago....Such amazing changes in so short a time span.

Perhaps such huge growth in < 100 years is not coincidental? Who knows......I'm just throwing something out here. Did we achieve all this alone, or is there something else to it?

Even past civilizations show such unexplainable technology like the Baalbek temple for one. So, I just wonder if aliens are here on earth, all this while, and been in contact with some humans...or we reverse engineered some high tech stuff from their crashed space ships. Truth can be stranger than fiction blink.gif

I don't care too much about the Nobel Prize, ironically, one of the current holders of this peace prize has just expanded war in Afghanistan....it's just a title. But I never said those winners are liars? rolleyes.gif

Imagination is more powerful than knowledge ~ Albert Einstein
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Baalbek is not unexplainable, it is just no explaination have been agreed, many different technique can be use to move heavy object in that period. the Roman have crane that can lift 60 ton. 800 ton will require a lot of people and coordination but not impossible to then, today it is piece of cake with the crane we have, the world record for weight a crane can lift is 20000 tonnes.

there are continue research on the various way ancient people move huge stone with primitive technology listed here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_megalithic_sites

able to lift heavy stone does mean that the people have advance technology, only if there are discovery of high tech instrument at this ancient time can we know that they have advance technology.

the growth of technology discovery was not accidental or happen suddenly, it is the result of the scientific movement since the Enlightenment, the Scientific revolution at the 17 century that lay the foundation for modern science to emerge. the age of reason free from the confine of religion. this development only accelerated during the 18,19,20 and now the 21 century.
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post May 5 2010, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(Bpdestiny @ Apr 27 2010, 11:34 PM)
God and alien are different =_= hmm, why are you relating it? I do not believe in GOD because of some scriptures..okay, don't want off topic already rclxub.gif
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alien may as well be god that created this world.
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QUOTE(itnama @ May 5 2010, 08:05 PM)
Alien dead body
its not possible for God to be dead.
I always tought alien as some kind of US spy
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how can we know that is real alien body?
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post May 6 2010, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(doob @ May 6 2010, 05:41 AM)
if die = not god
even in game u put "god cheat" u will not die
so tat odin or other thing is not god
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who said they are not god, they are certainly the god of nordic, eygptian and greek mythology

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post May 6 2010, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(teh tarik satu @ May 6 2010, 11:10 AM)
i think hawkings is a pretty cool guy. eh beliefs in aleins and doesnt afraid of looking stupid.
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why would he look stupid, there are so many planet out there at least there will that able to support life. the stupid is those that believe conspiracy theory that alien have already landed on earth.

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QUOTE(teh tarik satu @ May 6 2010, 06:44 PM)
i never took a stand on anything. im ambivalent about this issue, but i do think that hawking's proclamations are nothing short of ridiculously preposterous so much so that it's funny. because it's funny, it makes him look stupid. that doesn't mean he's wrong though, neither does it mean he's right. i don't really care either way, i just find it funny, LOL.
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why would you think the statement is preposterous if you dont think that is is wrong?

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watching this and you know what to do when you you hear people said they have seen UFO


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post Jul 31 2010, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(DoubleU @ Jul 31 2010, 02:03 AM)
hm... why would aliens only crash in America. I'm only aware of Area 51, not any other areas in the world.
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a better question is why an alien ship capable of intergalatic space travel would crash at all, and how can they be detected or be captured?
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QUOTE(Kernkraft400 @ Jul 31 2010, 08:21 PM)
The most rational explanation to that question would likely to be the 'unsual' gravitational field on Earth particularly when compared against in the vacuum of space. Probably, these lifeforms miscalculated their bending of space and time, and couldn't perform under Earth's environment. Do reply to this, and probably a further discussion could be achieved.
we are able to land on the moon with our technology 40 years ago, a alien that can travel through space with faster than light technology will crash land on earth because of misread the gravity or earth environment? that would be some stupid alien pilot fly the ship.


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QUOTE(Kernkraft400 @ Jul 31 2010, 08:21 PM)
For one, I believe 'UFOs' seemed to be active only in the States, is because of an article, I believe I read, not too long ago. It could be because of the United States of America's action of emitting waves of signals in different wavelengths all these years for the purpose of 'attracting' these lifeforms to visit Earth.
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if the alien come for the signal, why done they dont land in Belin, the first tv broadcast begin there.

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QUOTE(Kernkraft400 @ Jul 31 2010, 11:58 PM)
Robertngo,

I am quite amused with your immediate relation of the 'Aliens' against human. About human landing on the moon, I don't really want to start with the whole conspiracy theory debacle. Let's begin being positive that is indeed we landed on the moon say 40 years ago. But do remember that the Apollo program was accomplished with two major setbacks: The first was the Apollo 1 launchpad fire that resulted in the deaths of astronauts Gus Grissom, Ed White and Roger Chaffee; the second was an oxygen tank rupture on Apollo 13 during the Moonward phase of its journey, which disabled the command spacecraft.

And do remember that Apollo 13 is 2 sequences before Apollo 11 (which is the most successful moon landing) after Apollo 1,7,8,9 and 10, whilst that occurrence happen. So are you trying to say that the Apollo 13 crew and those before, for not being able to land on the moon onwards to the mission, are in your own quotation as 'some stupid human pilots/astronauts' ?

Think again.
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the moon landing program was the first time human landed on another space object, ever landing was successfull, the apollo 13 mission with malfunction have also return to earth safely. the are spectacular success of technology that does not exist just a few years ago. for a alien spaceship that are capable of intergalatic travel with faster than light speed it is fair to assume that they have hundred or even thousand of years of experience in doing space travel. i would have expect their space ship to be able to land on any planet without problem.

also for all the mission that suffer failure at landing like the shuttle and the mars robot, they are burn out before they reach the ground, have you seen any case that the space vehicle that are intact when crash landed?

now lets assume there are alien that crash landed on earth, which is a very small possibility, and the spaceship is largely intact after it hit the group, what would the government be able to gain from studying the spaceship, its technology that are develop for tens of thousand of year seperate from earth technology development, is there any possibility to adapt their technology? ore can we even be able to detect the alien ship and the alien species?
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QUOTE(Sau Seng La @ Aug 5 2010, 10:35 PM)
Aside from witness like Bob Lazar, there are literally thousands more out there who were being threatened and suppressed from telling the truth.  There are individuals and organizations around the globe working diligently to have the government declassified documents and reports. We deserved to know the truth. Here is a link to a book with over 400 pages of testimonials and reports of sightings. Enjoy.
   
http://www.disclosureproject.org/access/do...ingDocument.pdf
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they dont need to make all kind of claim and testimonials about seeing alien, the only thing they need to do the grab something from the alien space and show it to the world and surely no one can denied the fact alien have landed on earth, any piece of the space ship will do, it will be surely different from anything that exist on earth.

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Aug 10 2010, 11:24 AM)
You didn't watch Transformers 2?? All our modern day technology are evolved from study on Megatron....hahaha.

Who are you to say that we didn't reversed engineers some of this aliens tech (if they do crash landed)?? Ex: micrchip getting smaller all the time and new process are discovered to make it more efficient..this is only one example. Needless to say, there's also many top secret technology in the US which is not available to the average joe.
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how much posibility that the alien computer are base on silicon? are the alien weapon can be operated by human or practical for our military use. it is just too little possibility the technology developed for hundred of thousand year or even millions of years independent of human will be usable for us.
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QUOTE(Metallics @ Aug 10 2010, 02:03 PM)
On the contrary, I think it looks very believable, but its up to every own's interpretation and beliefs.
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the most unbelievable part for me is the alien is a humanoid figure , what are the chances of life form in another planet that have completely seperate evolution path from us develop to so many similar feature like us?

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 17 2010, 03:51 PM)
50%??
I reckon too high already.
See in our earth, we have so many type of life-form differ from each another.

Plant is also another type of life-form, so does virus, bacteria.
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another thing is the alien life form may not even be carbon base, they may base on sulfur, silicon, nitrogen and etc

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