Medicine is in Dutch and quite difficult to get in. It's one of the few programmes with a quota. Tuition fee is around 15 000 euro per year (the 10k I mentioned is for my course+ all living expenses). I also couldn't find a Chem Engineering bachelor in English. There are masters available in English though (2 years). Tuition is about 8800 euro a year. More scholarships are available for Masters programmes.

---

Added on April 24, 2010, 6:10 amHi,

Yes, it's 10k euro per year, including living expenses. This is for my course (business). Some courses are more expensive.

You can control the cost, especially in the 3rd and 4th year.

Ie.

3rd year (1 year=2 semesters)

Semester 1
Study Abroad (to save costs, choose a cheaper country like Thailand/Eastern Europe/Taiwan etc. instead of Stockholm, London or Sydney)

Semester 2
Internship (can do anywhere you want, incl. Malaysia)

4th year

Semester 1
School

Semester 2
Graduation Assignment (consultancy research at a company. Again, you can choose to do it a country of your choice).

This post has been edited by meiiseenei: Apr 24 2010, 06:10 AM

yadda yadda yadda.......I like to look down on poor and smelly people like you. Cannot meh? How do you know that I will lose everything one day, 做戏啊？I like to kaypoh, cannot ah? You blow meh?

I am elite, I can say things like that. You don't have money don't talk so much. Keep skin and go back to your village and grow rice lah. 吵到死！没钱就别说那么多话。

---

Added on April 24, 2010, 7:31 amThat's really cool. Thinking of doing an MSc in Europe. France is in my radar. The fact that there is so much exposure to industry in Europe make programs in managemenrt/commerce so attractive.

This post has been edited by feynman: Apr 24 2010, 07:31 AM

well, it still freel.. ppl starting Aug 2011 will have to pay fees. many Uni have yet to decide on how much to charge students outside EU.

---

Added on April 24, 2010, 9:22 am


thats 6th where in Europe or Netherlands? can share the link to the publication?

at a quick glance..
there are 14 Research universities and more than 41 Universities of Applied Sciences. Kinda same with Sweden/Finland and other parts of Europe.
Some Joes here looked down on the Uni of Applied Sci as they are kinda like Polytechnic not TRUE BLUE University.
like most Uni in Europe, seem like only the Universities of Applied Sciences offer English taught programs.

a small list of these 40+ Uni
- Avans University of Applied Sciences
- INHOlland University of Applied Sciences
- HAN University / Arnhem Business School
- NHTV Breda University of Applied Sciences
- Hogeschool van Amsterdam
- Saxion University of Applied Sciences
- Hanze University of Applied Sciences
- The Hague University of Appled Sciences
- Wittenborg Business School
- New Business School Amsterdam
- Tio University of Applied Sciences
- Fontys University of Applied Sciences
- HZ University of Applied Sciences

This post has been edited by patryn33: Apr 24 2010, 10:16 AM

what courses did u take ts, and how much u think the cheapest for course comp engineering and piloting there?

if its just at EUR$10K thats way cheaper than OZ..
EUR$10K is ~ AUD$14K, most OZ Uni fees at already that high or higher with exception of UTAS.


TS: Can provide a list of Uni that offer Full English programs (a list of programs offered would be great). not many ppl are interesting in googling.

To digress. I wonder what's the average fees for popular courses at popular Australian universities. Say engineering and commerce at melbourne and Sydney. $30k?

hum well lets take MONASH University for example,according to their prospectus the annual tuition fee for Engineering courses is about 26,900 Aussie Dollars and their Business,Commerce and Economic Courses would cost around 24,160 Aussie Dollars annually.

University of New South Wales (UNSW) for example for a 4 years Chemical Engineering programme would cost a total 114,190 Aussie Dollars while their Bachelor of Commerce would cost about 87,720 Aussie Dollars for 3 years.

Those are just tuition fees haven't counted living expenses yet ^^"
It'l be cheaper in Adelaide,Perth,Canberra and especially Tasmania though but I think in the first three the tuition fees aren't much different just living cost would be lower.For example the annual tuition fees in ANU averages about 24,768 Aussie dollars across most of their programs including commerce and engineering.

Expensive and common. Don't know what's the value of a degree from there. Meh

lol, nothing about netherland man..fail

English programmes There you go. The Dutch govt is still subsidising part of the fees for non-EUs. Also the tuition fee is dependent upon the university and the programme. One uni I was considering before I chose ABS is Universiteit Utrecht (Utrecht University) but it's 8000 euro+ per year, just for tuition.

---

Added on April 24, 2010, 5:53 pmYes, as you said, there are 2 kinds of universities. It all depends on what you want to do, what is available (in English), the fees (the research unis are more expensive) etc. Perform a cost-benefit analysis lah.

Technically, research universities programmes last 5 years (entrance requirement: STPM/A-Level's) and students graduate with a Master's. The new system is students can graduate with a Bachelor's but again, the same people who will look one kind at graduates from Universities of Applied Sciences will also look one-kind at the people who graduate from the research unis with a Bachelor's because they feel like the student didn't finish the course, so it would be best to graduate with a Master's ! The papers also published studies that prove HBO (Appled Sciences) graduates are more attractive than WO (research university) graduates. Obviously this all depends as there are so many programmes out there (I mean, if a company is more likely to hire a business grad for a MKT position over someone who graduated with a Women Studies degree). If someone wants to do Engineering though, I definitely recommend the research unis (ie. Delft University of Technology).

In my case, I was torn between Utrecht University (research) and ABS (Applied Sciences). However the higher tuition fee at UU plus the programme (Bachelor of Arts) wasn't practical (IMHO. It sounded really interesting but would I be employable with this degree....). ABS is surprisingly practical and seems to enjoy some kind of 'status' for business programmes (apparently IBM recruits here and so far some of the internships my coursemates have done seen quite interesting!). That all said and done, if you are considering doing your MBA in NL, choose Nyenrode. That is a private business school, is ranked in the Financial Times, bloody expensive (60k euro per year) but also reputable and you can build a really good network there.

P/S: BTW, it is possible for HBO graduates to enter the research unis to complete the last 2 years for a Master's degree. Another option is to do the first year at a HBO institute and continue at the WO uni.

P/P/S: The quality of Applied Sciences schools differ widely so do your research/ask me (or other students) to see which ones are considered 'good' by companies

This post has been edited by meiiseenei: Apr 24 2010, 06:19 PM

gosh wish I can go & study there! but too bad there's no recognized med school there in Malaysia (don't know if the list of recognized med school is already updated) but so far Netherlands is not included.

what's the popular course usually Malaysians take in Netherlands? Did you use your SPM result to study there?

Just checked and it looks like it is not recognized by MMC, which is interesting when many Dutch universities rank much better worldwide compared to some of the unis on the list. In any event, it is possible whoever who decides to enter a Dutch uni will have to request the uni to 'register' with JPA but yeah, can imagine why no one would want to take the risk;)

Not many Malaysians I know here. I'm the only one at my school (1 more joining in Sept. Found him at the FACON Education fair last year ^^). Heard of someone studying (business as well, if I'm not mistaken) in Friesland (rural area), 1 Malaysian girl doing her PhD (biomolecular stuff) in Rotterdam (this one is amazing, wish I could be that smart! bachelor and 1st masters at imperial, 2nd masters in Holland, now Dutch govt sponsoring her PhD studies) er... yep..that's all I know (who're still studying). Know a few more who studied here and are working here/EU also.

Most of my friends are Dutch, unfortunately. I like them, I really do but sometimes you just want some Malaysians to gripe and eat nasi lemak with:P

This post has been edited by meiiseenei: Apr 24 2010, 09:04 PM

I only saw this Rotterdam School of Management, Erasmus University in the global CAT
http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolranki...al-mba-rankings

Nyenrode only in EU CAT.
http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolranki...ss-universiteit
I did see the 60k in fees,
http://www.nyenrode.nl/Education/businessd...es/tuition.aspx


This post has been edited by patryn33: Apr 24 2010, 10:15 PM

Nyenrode has a very good rep in NL. It's considered an 'elite' school, Erasmus is considered a normal research uni. Don't ask me why, I don't know, this is just what I found out when I spoke to some Dutch people. I think Nyenrode also has a better 'network', more ex-students are in powerful places etc.

Mind you, ERASMUS isn't bad either, but it's just more like :

A: "I graduated from ERASMUS"
B: "Oh, good lah"

A: "I graduated from Nyenrode"
B: "Wahhh, Nyenrode!"

really, or its just the group of ppl U miggle with?
ERASMUS did enjoy good rep overseas.. even WSJ had it listed.
Nyenrode is founded by top executives and do enjoy great connections with renown Uni over the world. For those doing EMBA seem like Nyenrode do have better network.

its kinda like Insead is great in EU and Asia, USA.. ppl go huh? really as good as harvard? u sure???

Some of my friends are studying in Holland. But the dutch people are seriously huge, their average height for a male is about 180cm while Malaysian average height is 164cm. Do the math.

wow that girl is so smart! even got sponsored by the Dutch gov.?? how amazing is that!!

anyway, that means if I wanna study Medicine there, I gotta self-fund, & ask the uni to get recognition from JPA right. That's so risky! besides I won't have the money for self-fund..huhu..

Nvm, hopefully someday I can go there for a vacation xD

Thanks for your reply! I wish you all the best in your studies k

Well, I suppose it's people I mingle and come across. If you say you wanna do MBA, most people won't say "ERASMUS" (eventhough according to the FT, it is better), Dutchies will advise you to go to Nyenrode if you can afford it. I know a few MBA grads from Nyenrode and they all seem to be doing really well. All did the FT MBA though, they said it cost them 120k guilders (60 000 euro), incl. living costs. This was about 10 years ago. They said they basically ate, studied, did everything together because you had to. Most students lived on-campus because the courseload is so heavy that to live elsewhere is a waste of time lol. A lot of them married classmates.

I think in the end, it doesn't really matter. Want to work abroad, choose ERASMUS (but then, in this case, why not pick INSEAD or LBS). Want to work in NL (Nyenrode was started by some big Dutch corporations like Philips, Shell etc. so probably easier to masuk those big companies) and have the stereotypical European student life (Nyenrode has a castle on campus), then choose Nyenrode.

---

Added on April 24, 2010, 11:05 pmHaha ya betul. Heard the average might've increased again to 1.84m or so. If you're over 2m, no one will look at you funny.

This post has been edited by meiiseenei: Apr 24 2010, 11:07 PM

Please, you're just being jealous, insecure and unhappy with your life. Do yourself a favor, go find a counselor to help you find a goal in your life so that you feel more secure about yourself and not feel jealous of other people's success.

Anyway to the thread starter, have you heard of the Tinbergen Institute? I'm quite interested in it. What is the living cost living in Amsterdam? Like for example, on average how much is per meal and how much is the housing rental etc etc?

And previously someone mentioned INSEAD, INSEAD is supposed to be as good as Wharton, at least that's what i read from rankings..

Hi Seiryu,

I have never heard about Tinbergen Institute but I'll ask around to see if it's well-regarded in NL.

Amsterdam is probably the most expensive Dutch city.

My estimate:

Room: 400 euro/month (unfurnished but inclusive utilities)
Groceries: 200 euro/month
Average student meal out: 20 euro
Chinese takeaway (the kind in those cardboard boxes like American movies): 5-6 euro
Beer: 2 euro
Student insurance: about 550 euro a year
Movie ticket: 10 euro
Dinner date: min. 50euro (cheap 3-course meal and a glass of wine each)
Transport: public transport can be quite expensive. Better buy an old bike for 50 euro, but don't forget to spend just as much or more for very good locks;)