Wow, Sep90...80% of a balanced set-up? I'm really tempted to give it a go. Just got myself a HD650 and am being seduced by its sonics with my neutral set-up.

Hehehe...yea...the HD800 is great for listening on the main rig and is like a combination of both HD600 and HD650 at and its very real in its timbre but I find the treble somewhat "weak".

On the other hand, the HD650 is quite, quite nice with the othe FUN. Now tempting to have a try with the Symphonica...

but budget...the other day bought the HD650 out of impulse without thinking....

Hmmm...Sieveking or Symphonica or Digital Interface....

i was quite suprised at 1st when i played my cds through it as well but i can agree it gave the details and sonics wise as good as balanced setup itself
maybe the balanced r 20% r improved on the noise level,body and timing as well...but somehow it is quite a revealing experience for me since it has almost benefit as the balanced itself....bass and imagining wise the balanced setup excel at and the symphony signature (pcwork's own hd650) i tested just using his puny Govibe amp almost cover the major faults for hd650.....maybe that why it doesnt have bass layering as refined and impact as good as my balanced setup...doesnt rolled off when bass hit and shook my cheek effortlessly but there is a room for improvement if pcwork wan to come out with V2  hahaha
anyhow do try it out at Jaben and frankly it is no brainer for it's price and performance ratio...maybe i down to honest fella when it comes to reviews but i dun favor anyone when giving reviews...somehow pcwork and i able to share common idea and sound signature wise 

anyhow back to hd800, treble is associated the upper frequency...u r saying the the hd800 is not detail enough or bright enough? ><
timbre is mostly refer to body or upper mid to lower frequency itself....i think u mixed both up....
most hd800 has crazy amounts of details even omega Stax bow to it...lol it doesnt have the body, lower smooth range as good as omega but 3d holographic and soundstage hd800 r on par with Omegas....
but i still finding a suitable suitor for my hd800...the silver/gold is good but it's lack body and ahem ( i am too fussy most probably) very damm thin mids which go haywire when i played vocals but great for everything i throw at it
plan yur budget wisely 1st, get something that maximized everything in 1 shot....
sieveking aledi usd100 ++ or more, try to get something will benefit rest of chain from downward to upwards

ok it has been a while since i posted my last reviews bout senheiiser cables here
but i think it will be the last one unless some1 (ahem) come out with a new senheiiser cable in nearby future....
today i will write my reviews about PcWork's Symphony cable which i tested in Jaben with Denon CDP paired with North Star 192 MK1(musical favor dac) and paired with Rudistor Rpx-33 Dual Mono

Looks - Mite not be the best eye candy on the market compare to some of best Headfi's exaggerated looks and exotic looking expensive but i can give a green go for it's solid built and good workmanship done by our wizard here.... - 7/10

Workmanship - Yes!, possible every detail and nuance has been pay to carefully done for cable itself and rest assured that he ahem ( extremely prideful) in making and creating the cable... where u can get a cable who has 2 different colors left and right and transparent at the same time??( maybe if he can add supernylon or just put some shinning crystal/bling stuff then it will be perfect )lol - 8/10

Sound quality - ahem before i jump into reviews itself, pls check back my previous post i did some reviews of senheiiser cables from usd 200 to 400 and most of them r Headfi's famous cables which i love and loathed some of them...well maybe preference play a role here but most of my setup r based on neutral setup so that i can tune it to my perfection and doesnt color too much and overdid the mids tonality

High- now to famous treble which the senheiiser hd650 doesnt have due it's laidback signature, after listening for 2 tracks with Rodrigo Y Gabriel, it has very smooth highs which doesnt overpierce and doesnt give simmering effect to user  itself... the spacing is done correctly when the tamacun and guitars kick in without sounding artificial fake or overdone ....if i have a complain then only it doesnt give as wide as K1000 or Hd800 or as airry as i would prefer it but it's is currently limited by headphone's driver and restriction ..overall a very nicely done upper frequency without giving sibliance - 8.5/10

Mids - most of the senheiiser headphones r famous for their mids and i can attest even the die hard fans who loved vocals and orchestrals will melt away by it's house signature... it is true since most of my friends from Dynamics moved to Electrostatics which is unparalleled in mids and liquid,smooth and wide soundstage but that is other story...the symphony cable made the mids very very smooth (notice the word smooth not lush) lush is meaning overdone in mids tonality and clouding the rest of frequency, imagine when u put too much cream on the coffee or tea, what it will become? it will be cloudly or overly thick and no more coffee taste or tea taste (excuse me, but i think that is easier way to explain if u guys r coffee fans or tea tarik fan rite?)  the lower registry and upper registry is smooth without sacrificing details nor aggressive + effortless making the music flowing through...this was tested through my Beck (Face ) and Moon on the Water...it is neither too thick nor thin but just right texture for it and this is extremely correct tonality balance mid i have heard
this i think it is major improvement on the senheisser itself  9/10

Bass - well without bass it will be damm boring and not enough umph as i would call it... here i would like to explain there r 2 type of bass - the midbass and sub bass.... the midbass r most ppl will be drawn into it ( when u turn certain volume up for yur headphones, then the midbass will come out and surrounding u with it) that is midbass which registered the mids and lower mids and that wat we call it dynamic bass (electrostatics have slight less dynamic bass but make it up for their superb bass and refined layering) sub bass is the decays, layering and impact that goes all the way down without any colorations (when coloration happens, the sub bass is clouded and u could hear the bass rolled off, best way to test use a cd track with fast visceral drums beat and listen to double beat itself or piano's depth itself....if the sub bass is clean u will notice and hear the pianos passages and how hard or softly the pianist play)
this maybe a tough choice for me but  the bass is definitely there but it lacks impact and maybe a bit slow for my taste..dun mind me but i started out as basshead to high fidelity and extremely fussy when it comes to bass.....not to rain on the parade but judging if it has a bit of speed or bass impact then it will be ideal enough to handle even the extremely complicated bass passage like technos, fast music and so forth...
but it is not fair to compare, since i using my previous experience from truly balanced setup to drive my stubborn hd650 and it has more speed,body,prat and very effortlessly giving me goosebumps when i played Gabriel tracks or listening to Koji Tamaki sorrow's voice
but judging from it's price and performance and maker's signature, it is a no brainer and it is very very good for it's price ratio vs performance
and to be fair, if pcwork (ahem damm u celaka ) come earlier with freaking cable i wouldnt need to spend rm60k (not rm30k bro, the vahalla and crystal cable ultra how much already ler??? + furutech top of line flux power,shunyata top of line? and i got freaking thick crystal cable ultra interconnect ) 
it is worth every penny and it is bout 80% performance of some balanced setup i heard - highly recommended 7/10

that is for Symphony cable and overall i can heartily recommend to ppl who doesnt believe in cable wise and have a go at Jaben itself
come and audit for itself and c whether it's playing tricks on yur own ears and eyes when it is driven by puny Govibe amp itself
overall - 8.5/10 ( well worth for it performance's and price range )highly recommendable

have to agree on the bass part, it is a tiny weeny bit slow, on those tight passage it is slightly lacking.. but then.. most people wouldnt even notice in the first place.. i only notice it when comparing my vtg and the hd650+symphonica on darkvoice se337.. but darkvoice is not a fast amp either.. and vtg is a bassy headphone to begin with. i think it's 53mm (vs senns 40mm) driver is doing the job of coping with it.

i do find combo with the ppk immediately fixed the bass response.. so, probably just need a faster amp to pair it with. that aside.. it does great in everything else..

thanks pals.
for the good and detail review...
i have to agree that govibe ppk indeed can't bring out the texture and layering of the bass of HD650 itself.
it can do bass. but the texture still not up to my personal preference.
however.. paring it with something extrememly neutral and fast, (larvy DA-11). immediately solve the problem.
when are u coming back? we could have that tested. =P

and that day, indeed you heard it with ppk driven.. it is good for overall. but not best sounding HD650 symphonica imho. it still about 40-50% only of the actual performance when properly driven by larvy DA11 itself.

thanks pals.
for the good and detail review...
i have to agree that govibe ppk indeed can't bring out the texture and layering of the bass of HD650 itself.
it can do bass. but the texture still not up to my personal preference.
however.. paring it with something extrememly neutral and fast, (larvy DA-11). immediately solve the problem.
when are u coming back? we could have that tested. =P

and that day, indeed you heard it with ppk driven.. it is good for overall. but not best sounding HD650 symphonica imho. it still about 40-50% only of the actual performance when properly driven by larvy DA11 itself.

alamak.. boleh terbang lagi... lalalala........
nvm lae.. i stick with the Pmod for a looooooooooonnnnnng......longgg.... time~

maybe not  for long bro   ...wan me to bring my amp/dac back for full complete poisoning session? ><

hehe
in this case
not really more expensive is good one.
we tested rudistor amp. larvy DA11 direct drive HD650 with symphonica is FAR better than adding the rudistor amp in between.
one of our member with yamamoto also confirmed that when yamamoto is added in the link, it start to degrade the sound. despite improve in some minor section.
northern star DAC in yuheng shop also inhibits similar behavior, imho. too slow for HD650.
in the end. more stuff in the circuit, more coloration. slower the sound. and causing the sound to become worst.
unless your amp / DAC is super transparent, neutral, with no colouration. then it will be a perfect good match to the 650 symphonica.

650 with symphonica cable is not hard to drive. so it doesn't require monster amp to push it.
but it is extremely sensitive to sound signature, tonal balance, sound decay, and colouration in mid/ mid bass.
any slight hint of that in the circuits, will be very obvious when compare it to larvy DA-11 direct push.

that's why until now i still recommend people to try LARVY DA-11 + Symphonica + HD650.
and i can tell that symphonica HD650 will require something very transparent, very fast, and very neutral source to make it perform.
those tube amp, will need to avoid if possible. except several seriously expensive tube amp which doesn't sound slow.

HD555 reporting in!

but i was surprised when yur PUNY ppk amp can give it very good soundsignature ...despite it's battery eater lol
but for rm900 +1k price range almost = home setup of an amp/dac itself minus the crazy price range of home setup lol
wat to think =u guys cepat grab ler and save yur cash and buy cds better still 

welcome!

come to think of it.. how come i've never seen beyer user reportin.. we dont haev beyer thread?

Alamak.. more poison to get ppk to pair it with the Symphonica cable, too bad DA-11 is out from my budget [>__<]. Hmm but one thing worry me, PPK battery cannot tahan long?

grats Windcent : ) . now its time to grab a symphonica.

waa... got hd650..
got graham slee solo summore..
n1ce..
later get the symphonica?