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Michaelbyz23
post Apr 12 2010, 09:06 PM

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yeap smile.gif

i will stick to my own plans for now and for quite some time later as i know where and up to what limit my power of purchase is smile.gif

heehee... starcraft2 suddenly no news coming edi.. hmm..
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post Apr 12 2010, 09:12 PM

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oh i forgot to mention that i'm currently a student as well and on a budget too.

got myself the used PS3 from eBay for a bargain! i still cannot afford a brand new one yet.

perhaps when i start working in the future laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

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post Apr 12 2010, 09:29 PM

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In the end, the point of the matter is, there's no excuse for pirating. If a student like Nokia can discipline himself with his purchases to stay within the boundary of the law, why not others?
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post Apr 12 2010, 09:30 PM

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Lolx , chill guys on the piracy/original area.
From my point , and as a Junior game designer myself , ill of course support people to buy ori , but thats from that point of view. From an average income gamer area , it takes me at most 3 days to finish 1 game. I strongly feel a waste to pay 100+ which only last me 3 days then goes into the recycle bin. Every month , im playing like 5-8 different games , and thats gonna cost half of my allowance , so the althenative and find the crack . For those who can afford ori, by all means , but do please take note not all people feel its worth the cash and can fork out that cash. Buying an alienware doesnt mean we are rich or must buy ori only products to sustain our status. By paying only 4k , u already can own an alienware , which the whole market has now a days .
We buy the best gaming laptops because we need its performance
We buy original software (windows, office , flash, etc) because we cant use pirated in our work can we ? (Id rather download then pay 9k last time for my adobe cs4 )
But for games , does our pc only run ori games ? Is there difference in gameplay for ori and crack ? Frankly , NO. Pay 100 + or crack it , you choose .
Probably the best bet for pirated games to be ban from the market is the "OnLive" but that will not come into malaysia =/
So , im a proud owner of an M17X and im not ashame of playing with crack versions for my allowance only permits that much.
But thats my 2cent , im sure you guys also have ur own perspective on the matter xP
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post Apr 12 2010, 09:32 PM

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Okay then Azurika, I guess you won't mind if I don't pay a single sen playing your future produced games since you basically okayed it, set by your example.
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post Apr 12 2010, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(Azurika @ Apr 12 2010, 09:30 PM)
Lolx , chill guys on the piracy/original area.
From my point , and as a Junior game designer myself , ill of course support people to buy ori , but thats from that point of view. From an average income gamer area , it takes me at most 3 days to finish 1 game. I   strongly feel a waste to pay 100+ which only last me 3 days then goes into the recycle bin. Every month , im playing like 5-8 different games , and thats gonna cost half of my allowance , so the althenative and find the crack  . For those who can afford ori, by all means , but do please take note not all people feel its worth the cash and can fork out that cash. Buying an alienware doesnt mean we are rich or must buy ori only products to sustain our status. By paying only 4k , u already can own an alienware , which the whole market has now a days .
We buy the best gaming laptops because we need its performance
We buy original software (windows, office , flash, etc) because we cant use pirated in our work can we ? (Id rather download then pay 9k last time for my adobe cs4 )
But for games , does our pc only run ori games ? Is there difference in gameplay for ori and crack ? Frankly , NO. Pay 100 + or crack it , you choose .
Probably the best bet for pirated games to be ban from the market is the "OnLive" but that will not come into malaysia =/
So , im a proud owner of an M17X and im not ashame of playing with crack versions for my allowance only permits that much.
But thats my 2cent , im sure you guys also have ur own perspective on the matter xP
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QUOTE(nokia2003 @ Apr 12 2010, 08:45 PM)
point number two; games in physical format i.e. in discs, can be resold again (both online or game shops). best of all, preowned games can be resold and resold until it reaches a plateau price (the only marked distinction is, when you are selling it from brand new). it doesn't take a genius to figure all this out. my recent purchase, God of War will be my best example, i bought it for AUD130 and upon completion, i sold it for AUD93! i mean, there is a lost of AUD37, but surely this is negligible? not happy with losses? extreme kiasuness? here is another scenario. recently, i purchased 2 preowned games from eBay from AUD100 (COD MW2 and uncharted 2) and believe me, if i try trading them in, i can still make a profit.
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post Apr 12 2010, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(Azurika @ Apr 12 2010, 09:30 PM)
Lolx , chill guys on the piracy/original area.
From my point , and as a Junior game designer myself , ill of course support people to buy ori , but thats from that point of view. From an average income gamer area , it takes me at most 3 days to finish 1 game. I  strongly feel a waste to pay 100+ which only last me 3 days then goes into the recycle bin. Every month , im playing like 5-8 different games , and thats gonna cost half of my allowance , so the althenative and find the crack  . For those who can afford ori, by all means , but do please take note not all people feel its worth the cash and can fork out that cash. Buying an alienware doesnt mean we are rich or must buy ori only products to sustain our status. By paying only 4k , u already can own an alienware , which the whole market has now a days .
We buy the best gaming laptops because we need its performance
We buy original software (windows, office , flash, etc) because we cant use pirated in our work can we ? (Id rather download then pay 9k last time for my adobe cs4 )
But for games , does our pc only run ori games ? Is there difference in gameplay for ori and crack ? Frankly , NO. Pay 100 + or crack it , you choose .
Probably the best bet for pirated games to be ban from the market is the "OnLive" but that will not come into malaysia =/
So , im a proud owner of an M17X and im not ashame of playing with crack versions for my allowance only permits that much.
But thats my 2cent , im sure you guys also have ur own perspective on the matter xP
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Actually, if you actually plan your purchased games well, it can lasts you for quite a while.

I played Oblivion since the day it comes out. Theres always user-created-stuffs that comes out every months for you to mod and add variety and fun to the game.

And yeaaaaah... I've been playing The Sims series for... Wow... Its been 10 years now. That series was worth every single penny.

As for the 3-days-game, you buy it, you play it, you finish it, you sell it. Done. Rinse and repeat.
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post Apr 12 2010, 09:38 PM

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Stringfellow , u play my games pirated i dont care nor mind , i wont get upset , what i want is people to play my game and talk about it ! If the whole world were to pirate my game , i would frankly be glad because , wow ! My game is great that everybody wants to play it ! Thats my objective and pride of a game designer =)
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QUOTE(Azurika @ Apr 12 2010, 09:38 PM)
Stringfellow , u play my games pirated i dont care nor mind , i wont get upset , what i want is people to play my game and talk about it ! If the whole world were to pirate my game , i would frankly be glad because , wow ! My game is great that everybody wants to play it ! Thats my objective and pride of a game designer =)
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That is of course, before your company suffer a lost because it dint make enough money to generate a profit and they have to let you go since they cant afford to pay you anymore. And at that time, I would like to see how your 'objective' would help you to support your family.

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post Apr 12 2010, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(emino @ Apr 12 2010, 09:38 PM)
Actually, if you actually plan your purchased games well, it can lasts you for quite a while.

I played Oblivion since the day it comes out. Theres always user-created-stuffs that comes out every months for you to mod and add variety and fun to the game.

And yeaaaaah... I've been playing The Sims series for... Wow... Its been 10 years now. That series was worth every single penny.

As for the 3-days-game, you buy it, you play it, you finish it, you sell it. Done. Rinse and repeat.
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precisely. like i have advocated before, it doesn't take a genius to figure this out. however if you are merely creating excuses, you are just taking the easy way out.
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post Apr 12 2010, 09:42 PM

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i love u azurika smile.gif
me n u = same thinking and NEARLy same perspective.

i wouldnt mind letting my frens plagiarise or copy my works, tho i noe its wrong. they will edit and paraphrase somehow. i will feel even better than still. sometimes they will be grateful to me, and treat me nice food. and help me check my problems and errors.

if i were to sell my works and test papers to other ppl and juniors, LOL... u noe what will be the outcome.

i don mind letting the whole world playin a program or a game i created. even they re-sell it under their own name.
cuz i know there will always be supporters of original copies like string and others that will buy my products willingly.

thats my 2 cent and my perspective. nth can change that biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Azurika @ Apr 12 2010, 09:38 PM)
Stringfellow , u play my games pirated i dont care nor mind , i wont get upset , what i want is people to play my game and talk about it ! If the whole world were to pirate my game , i would frankly be glad because , wow ! My game is great that everybody wants to play it ! Thats my objective and pride of a game designer =)
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you are a quite charitable bloke i must say.

pouring hours/weeks/months/years of work without expecting to reap on your hard work.

i'm definitely not as kind as you. sad to say


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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Apr 12 2010, 09:42 PM)
i love u azurika smile.gif
me n u = same thinking and NEARLy same perspective.

i wouldnt mind letting my frens plagiarise or copy my works, tho i noe its wrong. they will edit and paraphrase somehow. i will feel even better than still. sometimes they will be grateful to me, and treat me nice food. and help me check my problems and errors.

if i were to sell my works and test papers to other ppl and juniors, LOL... u noe what will be the outcome.

i don mind letting the whole world playin a program or a game i created. even they re-sell it under their own name. 
cuz i know there will always be supporters of original copies like string and others that will buy my products willingly.

thats my 2 cent and my perspective. nth can change that biggrin.gif
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you too. extremely charitable.

the whole would be a better place and capitalism will fail if there are more people like you.

honestly without any sarcasm.



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post Apr 12 2010, 09:45 PM

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yea, ppl have different mind sets and perspective as i can say here biggrin.gif

why bill gates doing so much charity? why don he just use the money for his own purposes?

why some ppl wan rasuah and get lots of money and let other ppl susah payah? why some ppl wan be nice and go for missionary work volunteerily?

it is all depending on the person's personality.

it applies to games and softwares. people who appreciate others' works and have the money will support. some who are unable to support, they will support in other ways. for example, promotign the game to others even though they are using pirated.

its like indirectly promoting the game they play on willingly, if they really appreciate the masterpiece of the creators. thats me. correct onot?

if u cant donate money, u can donate ur energy (chinese proverb)
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QUOTE(emino @ Apr 12 2010, 09:38 PM)
Actually, if you actually plan your purchased games well, it can lasts you for quite a while.

I played Oblivion since the day it comes out. Theres always user-created-stuffs that comes out every months for you to mod and add variety and fun to the game.

And yeaaaaah... I've been playing The Sims series for... Wow... Its been 10 years now. That series was worth every single penny.

As for the 3-days-game, you buy it, you play it, you finish it, you sell it. Done. Rinse and repeat.
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i feel u dude, but im a lazy person and trading is not my thing =_= have to set up deals and cod , nah ....
Probably the longest game i played is cs and wc3 , but the pirated version also can connect to ggc , flying spaghetti monster , so i dont need the original version , unless ur telling me GGC needs original version to run , then ill consider that. We are competing at top level competition with huge teams on ggc , but the pirated version aint giving us any downside , so why not ? But i do understand ur point though tongue.gif
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the whole world will starve to death and there would be wars all over the world if everyone is as selfish as liek what u said.

true onot? think again. if government don give incentives to those ppl who are not capable, how would they survive? its indirectly the same thing.

we are not brought up, at least ME, i wasnt brought up in an environment of fully supporting orig stuffs. unless i really really appreciate the creator's awesomeness. or really amazed. i have supported several blu-rays like transformers and x-men. and going tio support diablo 3 and starcraft 2 ori. cuz thats my preference.
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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Apr 12 2010, 09:45 PM)
yea, ppl have different mind sets and perspective as i can say here biggrin.gif
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why bill gates doing so much charity? why don he just use the money for his own purposes?

why some ppl wan rasuah and get lots of money and let other ppl susah payah? why some ppl wan be nice and go for missionary work volunteerily?

it is all depending on the person's personality.

it applies to games and softwares. people who appreciate others' works and have the money will support. some who are unable to support, they will support in other ways. for example, promotign the game to others even though they are using pirated.

its like indirectly promoting the game they play on willingly, if they really appreciate the masterpiece of the creators. thats me. correct onot?

if u cant donate money, u can donate ur energy (chinese proverb)
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LOL. what a weak weak weak metaphor. no offence really. my apologies in advance

if everyone would to be pirating bill gates' microsoft products without any repercussions, do you think that he could amass such a large fortune to be able to donate to charities?

seriously???!!!

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post Apr 12 2010, 09:51 PM

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yeap thats why. u just contradicted urself smile.gif

like i said, not all will support, some will not support. but those who support is really alot and enuf for him to be richest ppl alraedy smile.gif

those who cannot support, like CC owners and majority of ppl in my place, then they use pirated copies lo. i don see if there's anythin wrong wif it. im sorry. thats my mindset. i really don see any wrong using pirated if u don have money to support ori.

buy alienware doesnt mean we can buy all orig stuffs and make ourselves bankrupt. we know the purchase limit as a consumer
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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Apr 12 2010, 09:51 PM)
yeap thats why. u just contradicted urself smile.gif

like i said, not all will support, some will not support. but those who support is really alot and enuf for him to be richest ppl alraedy smile.gif

those who cannot support, like CC owners and majority of ppl in my place, then they use pirated copies lo. i don see if there's anythin wrong wif it. im sorry. thats my mindset. i really don see any wrong using pirated if u don have money to support ori.

buy alienware doesnt mean we can buy all orig stuffs and make ourselves bankrupt. we know the purchase limit as a consumer
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i was merely quoting you and how did i just contradicted myself?

this round, you really have to be articulate and explain.

i'm all ears.

thanks in advance again

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Sure. While you're carrying that ideology, why not go to 7-11, get some drinks and snacks and put it in your bag. You know theres tonnes of people going to actually buy them, thus supporting the store.

Heck, why not just go to all the clothing store, and grabs some too? Surely other people will pay for their clothes, rite?
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QUOTE(emino @ Apr 12 2010, 09:40 PM)
That is of course, before your company suffer a lost because it dint make enough money to generate a profit and they have to let you go since they cant afford to pay you anymore. And at that time, I would like to see how your 'objective' would help you to support your family.
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I didnt choose this path to earn big bucks , i chose this path as passion. If i were to think of money factors , im obviously in the wrong field. As said in the post , i want people to apprieciate my thats all xP u want a free copy for my next game ? ill post it to you , giv me ur add !

QUOTE(nokia2003 @ Apr 12 2010, 09:42 PM)
you are a quite charitable bloke i must say.

pouring hours/weeks/months/years of work without expecting to reap on your hard work.

i'm definitely not as kind as you. sad to say

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You should look at the japanese =/ they are even hardcore then me.

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