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post Apr 4 2010, 11:32 PM

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For those that want extra power, AND don't mind the size and uglyness of the phone... can check out below...
MUGEN power battery Extended (2400mah).



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QUOTE(fakerdemit @ Apr 5 2010, 01:04 AM)
how much is dc-11 worth it ?
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RM199 from Nokia Professional.
Or you can get from someone in LowYat for RM180 (the last I inquire).

If you prefer not to carry spare battery (to change battery - power off device, open back casing, etc).
and if you don't mind carry an extra device (the size of iPhone?), then the DC-11 is pretty good and handy when you need the extra power.
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QUOTE(evanttc @ Apr 5 2010, 12:06 PM)
hmm, thinking to change my n97 to this n900

but i reach from online,
i found

Bad:
• No Bluetooth PBAP or rSAP support, so it will not synchronize contacts with Car Kits
• No Turn by Turn on OVI Maps!! The N900 has a bespoke OVI Maps install that is basically rubbish. This is a killer feature for many people, and if you need it; buy another phone, as it doesn't look like Nokia are interested in updating it.
• No MMS Support, you can't send or receive Multimedia messages. (I can hear the Apple brand-droids laughing already!)
• OVI Suite isn't supported on the N900, yep, you heard that right!
• PC Suite isn't 'fully' supported, you can't use the SMS feature for example!
• The Screen isn't Multi Touch
• You can't copy/paste from/to Emails. This one I can't believe, for an 'Internet Tablet', this is a must have feature
• Cant mark/unmark multiple message to read/unread status
• Steep learning curve for non techies, you'll need to understand Linux and the maemo OS to get the most from it.
hmm......mms and copy and paste will be a big issues.

is it going to fix it on next firmware? btw, portrait mode also need to install myself or next firmware going to be included in?
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One thing people need to start to understand and differentiate.

If it is SOFTWARE limitation, don't worry, it can be fixed (either by Nokia or 3rd Party).
If it is HARDWARE limitation, then it is a real problem.

Most above is software limitation. When getting computer/laptop/smartphone, one should know that software limitation is small issues.

As for Multi-Touch, you're talking about Capacitive. Firstly, one also need to understand the difference betwen Capacitive and Resistive technology and also the advantages and disadvantages of both.
You want precision touch, ability to use your finger nails/stylus, you need Resistive touch. Resistive touch gives you precision and accuracy, you can touch small links in a webpage, you can play games which requires accuracy/precision touch (no need to special customize the game for your device). Example: Room Escape Flash Games.
With Resistive Touch technology and ability to use the stylus, you get to use Sketch/Drawing application, where you can draw using very FINE pencil and create stunning art/drawing.
Many people just want the latest or what is popular, they never bother to know what is it.

The phone is very usable even for normal users, but will be more utilize for more advance users. As for learning curves, think positive. As you use, you will learn more and gain more technical knowledge. So, it's a win-win situation. The more things to learn, is better; as you use, you'll gain more knowledge and become more advance.

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Apr 5 2010, 03:25 PM)
Another thing beautiful of N900 is MSN, GOOGLE TALK, QQ, YAHOO YM etc etc all can be integrated into the conversation type without 3rd party software only requires plugin
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True, it's all integrated into one central contacts. No need to open different apps. Imagine opening Skype, MSN, etc on different app and need to switch between each IM app. Of course, there's IM app which provides integration service but still requires opening up one app. N900 concept is something fresh and good.

As I know, the next Windows Phone 7 OS will follow this concept, so called emphasize on Socializing.

We can say that N900 bring a change to how social and mobile computing works. Soon others will follow suit.
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Apr 5 2010, 04:17 PM)
So example MR.A all his smses, MMS,MSN,YM,goggle talk etc chat all will be in conversation type . i still remember on my n97 example i wan read MR. A sms i must browse thru everywhere
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Yup, now u remind me the horror to find all those SMS, especially for someone who loves to keep sms...

Currently, N900 doesn't merge the different IM conversation from same account. It might be better to split different IM conversation, but would also be good if we can have option to merge the conversation from different IM, including SMS.
But, it's not a necessity, just a nice to have option.

Overall, am really satisfied with this Conversations concept, even to the extend of giving up all my collections of SMS (which currently still not able to transfer to N900). icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Apr 5 2010, 04:39 PM)
People keep on saying that resistive touch screen is not that responsive.
After 1 hour of using N900 I think resistive screen is working just fine.So far after using this for 1 hour I didn't have any difficulties with the touchscreen.
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Actually I prefer not too sensitive, like current N900 is good enough. I tried Nokia X7 Capacitive screen, it's way too sensitive, I just want to scroll but ended up launching the app. Annoying, need time to get used to and need more lighter touch.

Anyway whichever sensitivity, we're humans, we can adapt to it easily. But capacitive will lack of precision/accuracy, which it a big disadvantage especially for small screen device. For small device, we need accuracy/precision and the ability to use finger nails or stylus. Unless it's a Tablet PC, then we might not need to use finger nails or stylus since the screen is so huge. For capacitive screen, the games and apps need to be optimized for finger touch. If we run Flash apps for Desktop in capacitive screen device, it'll be horror, lol. But with resistive, we can use stylus to play.


QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Apr 5 2010, 04:40 PM)
same here.... Actually i am curious if we put the msn/ym/google talk etc into contact will it automatic merge in conversation together?


Added on April 5, 2010, 4:41 pm

For some of us thats used Nokia 5800XM before u will understand whats not so responsiveness means.

N900 is the improvement final result of combination of this two phones
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Currently, it won't merge all the conversations for different IM and also SMS.
Example:
Mr. A
SMS - 1 Conversations for all SMS
Skype - 1 Conversations for all Skype IM
Jabber (Facebook Chat) - 1 Conversations for all FB Chat
etc.

I think merging might be a problem because when you send a message, it needs to know which account will be used. If SMS, then it will involve credit. So I think need to split to differentiate each. No idea how they can merge it in a way convenient for us.

Nonetheless, it's already very good to have this concept or integrating into contacts and Conversations icon_rolleyes.gif



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QUOTE(drexar @ Apr 5 2010, 07:55 PM)
ehem.. i think i need to correct your statement. actually n900 can only open flash 9 and older. it cannot open flash 10. thats why we cannot open cafe world inside this babe
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Actually Cafe World did not specify Flash 10, it is able to load, but when reach 100% when it's trying to start, somehow it's taking up too much resources; i waited very long, then when I try to switch app, it prompts me the that the page is not responding and ask me if I want to force close.

I've tried to access Flash 10 games before and it won't even load, it'll prompt me that I need to get the latest version of Flash.

I read somewhere that Flash 10 will optimize the GPU, if it's true, then we might see some improvements on Flash rendering.
Or if someone dare to try, overclock the N900 to 900Mhz and try Cafe World tongue.gif
Overclocking is very easy, the problem is the risk and it's only been done recently (less than 3 days ago), so no units have tested over 1 week yet.
Some hardcore even overclock over 1Ghz.

Those that have overclock thier N900 gave very positive response so far, the boot time is much faster, everything is much smoother, YouTube videos plays smoothly, and previous high quality videos able to play, etc.
PSX1 games was also able to run much more faster.

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N900 @ 900Mhz
Running SNES Emu in background, Bounce Evolution, Videos in background, while surfing the Web



WARNING: There is discussion in maemo-talk forum about overclocking reducing the lifespan of the processor. It's a risk to take and own responsibility if anyone wish to overclock.

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Apr 6 2010, 12:22 AM)
Iphone is just over rated.
If we list down N900 features it owns Iphone flat.
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LoL, almost everybody who comes in wants to compare with iPhone. Gosh! Jatuh standard only. There're so many phones that is "already" better than iPhone and selling much much more cheaper than iPhone.

iPhone is very outdated, and way way overpriced.

The only thing that iPhone has is the "popularity", that's the only thing that iPhone is best at and win others.

Perhaps many people just started to notice iPhone? Not long ago, my friend's brother notice another friend's iPhone and suddenly he shouted "OMG! iPhone!" LoL, I thought what happen! It seemed like, sorry to say, someone come out from jungle and saw a moving box (Car) and got excited.
When iPhone first launch, and people react this way, I can still understand and accept, but at current smartphone era, it's so outdated and nothing unique/special anymore. There're so many interesting, more powerful and better smartphones.

Sorry, I can't help it tongue.gif

P/S: iPhone only have single speaker, darn the MONO ringtones ringing, it's annoying and sound like sheet.

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Apr 6 2010, 08:27 AM)
whats the battery consumption like?
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Reading from those users who have overclock, all claims better battery life.

QUOTE(jloi @ Apr 6 2010, 09:19 AM)
tempted to overclock too but scare will damage my phone  tongue.gif
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Yup, but I'll wait for PR1.2 before decide.

Many experts were saying that it would reduce the processor's lifespan.

Personally, I think it depend on usage. If you OC up to 900Mhz, and you use constant 100% usage for long period, VS 100% usage for long period on 600Mhz. Surely the 900Mhz will do damage.
But if it's normal processing, I think 900Mhz actually helps instead of doing damage?
Imagine one process which requires 10 seconds to process and using constant 100% of 600Mhz
When OC to 900Mhz, the same process only requires 3 seconds to process at constant 100%.

I'm not expert, just guessing. But unless we can have runtime control of the clock speed like in PSP CFW, we can adjust the clock speed during runtime, then it'll be the best~
I think most people OC their PSP to 333Mhz and play long hours game over wifi too.


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QUOTE(jloi @ Apr 6 2010, 09:30 AM)
eventhough i OC it, dun think i'll use until so crazy like the youtube. Just normal usage smile.gif..haha..just wait and see in long term how it goes by
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After OC, no more lags in YouTube as read from several OC's comments.

Maybe wait for PR1.2 first, icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 6 2010, 09:30 AM)
in the PSP's case,333mhz isnt overclocking the device-it's the device's original clock speed.
Sony lowered it to save battery life.

current gen PSPs(slim 2000 and bright 3000) are all at 333mhz
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Thanks for correcting~

Btw, for the Cortex-A8 processor, it is capable of 600Mhz to greather than 1Ghz, so I don't know current 600Mhz is underclock or 600Mhz-1Ghz is within safe range?
Possibly to achieve better battery life and also possibly so prevent too much heat, they decided to clock at 600Mhz? No idea, but I know the Droid/Milestone have been OC for months now.

http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cor...a/cortex-a8.php

Cortex-A8 Processor
The ARM Cortex™-A8 processor is based on the ARMv7 architecture and has the ability to scale in speed from 600MHz to greater than 1GHz. The Cortex-A8 processor can meet the requirements for power-optimized mobile devices needing operation in less than 300mW; and performance-optimized consumer applications requiring 2000 Dhrystone MIPS.

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QUOTE(Borneo928 @ Apr 6 2010, 11:18 AM)
lol abit scared to wack it all the way to 900mhz tho laugh.gif
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The reported stable OC is 800Mhz, also for the droids.

Currently, many have OC to 900Mhz and also reported stable so far, and improvements over 800Mhz.

But so far, for N900, OC is still new, not even 5 days since it was first OC.
But the droid (aka milestone) have OC for months now.

Check out the app for adjusting the clock speed for the Droid (aka Milestone). Cool app, similar to my Dell PocketPC, which allow adjustment of clock speed at runtime, but my Dell version is not for OC, is for limiting the clock speed.
http://rootyourdroid.info/guides/overclocking-the-droid/
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Apr 6 2010, 11:26 AM)
question is how is the drain of battery life?
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Mostly reported better battery life.

But if constant usage on high processing, that's a different story.

On ordinary use, most claims better battery life. I think the possible explanation is because there is more power available, it is able to reduce processing time and generally shorten high cpu usage.
Example are boot up time is greatly reduce, loading of Conversations is fast, browsing experience is greatly improved.

For my personal use, currently non-OC version, whenever I go online, my phone will be on constant 100% CPU usage for few seconds (didn't measure how long, possibly 10s). I wonder if after OC, the processing time will be reduce?
During the constant 100% usage, if I try to run the browser, it will lag badly. So, I suppose OC will change this completely.

But I'll wait for PR1.2 first, it's said to have improvements on the browsing experience (faster) and possibly improve other speeds as well. After proper improvements/tuning, it might not really require to OC, who knows. The Maemo is currently still new and have lots to improve.

OC is definitely an option, but I would prefer to have something like the app available in Android. It has several features like auto-detect the max clock speed suitable for your device, CPU Governor, Profiles settings (limiting Charging clock speed, Sleep/Standby, Power < 30%, Failsafe, etc).
Hopefully, something similar will be available for Maemo in future or soon thumbup.gif
http://rootyourdroid.info/guides/overclocking-the-droid/
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QUOTE(sesshoumaru7 @ Apr 6 2010, 02:50 PM)
haven't really tested the battery life drain yet. i just left the phone with wifi connected when i sleep for about 6hrs. battery indicator still show full tho. u guys don't wanna try it?  brows.gif . but take note, some people say that after flashing the OC kernel, when u go to Settings, About, it will show Nokia N900 <unknown> version: <unknown>. i did the on device flashing method, my info still stays after flashing the OC kernel  biggrin.gif
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You can restore the firmware information using the below command:
apt-get install --reinstall mp-fremantle-generic-pr

followed by a reboot.

It might also be mp-fremantle-003-pr or something else depending on your firmware variant

To Check, use:
dpkg -l |grep mp-fremantle


QUOTE(firstknight @ Apr 6 2010, 03:06 PM)
me using batt widget so can see percentage. it is accurate so i use it to see when to stop using and off all unnecessay stuff til i find a place to charge my phone.

oc seems very temptin to at least improve performance as long it doesnt damage the phone much.... hehe
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Using that too, but something it will stop responding.
Try to set the interval update lesser for better battery life.

Alternatively, you can also use the "Desktop Command Execution Widget" which consume less resources as it's only text. It can show you the percentage as well as the mah. This widget is very powerful because as long as you know Linux commands, you can pretty much execute those commands.

There's already some build in command in the widget itself, and the widget is also can be customize. Nice widget.

Here's some list of commands:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_Command_Exec..._Widget_scripts

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QUOTE(firstknight @ Apr 6 2010, 03:55 PM)
mine has been working fine. the widget got no settings socant do anyth.

for the desktop command... me linux dummy so dunno anyth... but will check on the list...
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The widget allow you to select some built-in command like Battery %, Battery mah, Internal IP address, External IP address, etc.

For other commands, you can add yourself.



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QUOTE(zubai @ Apr 6 2010, 09:10 PM)
Just oc my N900 a few minutes ago, 1 sec flat is all it took blink.gif . Didn't expect the flashing is that fast.
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Because it's just flash the kernel. Actually, it should be able to do it without requiring to reboot.

Currently someone have added an app into extras-testing repo which allows clock speed adjustment and several other functions.

Hope one day we can get something like the app available on the Android, it looks cool and well thought out with several features including failsafe.
http://rootyourdroid.info/guides/overclocking-the-droid/

FROM Maemo-Talk:
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Originally Posted by titan 
There is a new stable overclockable kernel in extras-testing.
Installation is very simple: install the package kernel-flasher-maemo (section system in HAM) und reboot. There's no need for reflashing etc.

The default limit is at stable 600MHz. This is the same setting as the stock kernel and is safe.

This kernel makes it possible dynamically change the maximum frequency up to 1.2GHz (supported frequencies are 250,500,550,600,700,750,800,850,900,950,1000,1100, 1200MHz)
Warning: Overclocking may damage your device and is at your own risk!
You can manually increase the limit until your device fries using, e.g. for 600MHz
Code:
echo 600000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq
To permanently fix the limit edit /etc/pmconfig.
Unlike the other kernels in this thread it can also more of use the intermediate frequencies which might be the reason why it is stable for me at 1GHz.

Apart from overclocking, this kernel has a lot of other features
(2.8.26.10, PR1.2 patches etc) see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43420
It also retains the version info in Settings -> Product info.
If it works well for you, please vote at
http://maemo.org/packages/package_in....6.28-maemo19/

Good luck!

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QUOTE(Borsch Soup @ Apr 6 2010, 09:19 PM)
Wow, OverClock a handphone, first time heard of this thumbup.gif
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Correction, "SmartPhone" please tongue.gif
When talking about smartphone, it's nothing surprising about OC, just it's not usually done, at least not by normal users. But time have change. See the OC app for Android phones, it's a well built app which allow runtime clock speed adjustment and included with intelligent features as well as failsafe features.


Added on April 6, 2010, 9:29 pm
QUOTE(willgan @ Apr 6 2010, 09:20 PM)
this one i donno loh... just try and ask the store sales person if you haven't prebook..
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probably those have pre-book didn't turn up or decided not to buy it after testing it, or probably you've taken someone else unit? LoL, I remember reading someone who pre-booked travelled from far away and ended up no stock (but then I think it's different branch).


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QUOTE(dasonyeoh @ Apr 6 2010, 10:32 PM)
is there any apps or widget enable to OC the phone easily?? much more easier for normal user to oc their phone. :-)
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QUOTE(sesshoumaru7 @ Apr 6 2010, 10:46 PM)
hmm... so far none yet. u need to flash the kernel  smile.gif
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Check previous post, I've posted the information that someone have added the app for it. Anyway, copy-and-paste as below:

Currently someone have added an app into extras-testing repo which allows clock speed adjustment and several other functions.

Hope one day we can get something like the app available on the Android, it looks cool and well thought out with several features including failsafe.
http://rootyourdroid.info/guides/overclocking-the-droid/

FROM Maemo-Talk:
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Originally Posted by titan 
There is a new stable overclockable kernel in extras-testing.
Installation is very simple: install the package kernel-flasher-maemo (section system in HAM) und reboot. There's no need for reflashing etc.

The default limit is at stable 600MHz. This is the same setting as the stock kernel and is safe.

This kernel makes it possible dynamically change the maximum frequency up to 1.2GHz (supported frequencies are 250,500,550,600,700,750,800,850,900,950,1000,1100, 1200MHz)
Warning: Overclocking may damage your device and is at your own risk!
You can manually increase the limit until your device fries using, e.g. for 600MHz
Code:
echo 600000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq
To permanently fix the limit edit /etc/pmconfig.
Unlike the other kernels in this thread it can also more of use the intermediate frequencies which might be the reason why it is stable for me at 1GHz.

Apart from overclocking, this kernel has a lot of other features
(2.8.26.10, PR1.2 patches etc) see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43420
It also retains the version info in Settings -> Product info.
If it works well for you, please vote at
http://maemo.org/packages/package_in....6.28-maemo19/

Good luck!


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QUOTE(sesshoumaru7 @ Apr 7 2010, 12:13 AM)
basically it flashing the kernel oso rite?  unsure.gif
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Yup, but you can do it directly from the device, through an app downloadable now in extras-testing. This is easier and you can adjust the max/limit clock speed. So when you're not using, you can set it back to 600Mhz. When you need the extra power, you can adjust it to say 800Mhz or 900Mhz and watch YouTube or High Quality movies smoothly.
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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Apr 7 2010, 03:48 AM)
How many type of video files does maemo 5 support?Even with the extra decoder I cannot play flv files.Can play rmvb but not so smoot.
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Some flv files can't be played, probably depending how it is encoded.

There's no update to the extra-decoder support for a long time. Would be great if they can update it to add more codecs support.


Added on April 7, 2010, 9:38 am
QUOTE(dasonyeoh @ Apr 7 2010, 09:03 AM)
does it mean the lower the oc it more stable???

Jus found a nice tutorial for ppl who new to OC-ing their N900

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=595582&postcount=774
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There's an app for it in extras-testing repositories, which allows you to easily adjust the clock speed through your N900. No need to use the flasher tool.

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